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Katastrofo
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:43 pm Post subject: Industar 50/3.5 lens......$15 |
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Katastrofo wrote:
Above price included shipping! When it arrived, I thought I'd done another
Exakta episode, the lens looked so tiny, but miraculously, it fits:
The funky pictures above were taken with this 1998 Agfa 1.2MP camera:
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57849 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
This is an M42 lens and very good quality, this is THE PANCAKE _________________ -------------------------------
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
I don't understand, you have attached the Industar to a compact point-and-shoot? _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Flor27
Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Posts: 1195 Location: Paris, France
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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Flor27 wrote:
You E-300 looks like a compact bridge that way !
This is another lens on my wishlist, event if I don't really have any use for it... kinda great little toy !! _________________ Switching from M42 to Minolta MD & Contax/Yashica |
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Katastrofo
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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Katastrofo wrote:
Orio wrote: |
I don't understand, you have attached the Industar to a compact point-and-shoot? |
Orio, please, deep respirations, the lens is on my Oly DSLR... |
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Katastrofo wrote: |
Orio wrote: |
I don't understand, you have attached the Industar to a compact point-and-shoot? |
Orio, please, deep respirations, the lens is on my Oly DSLR... |
Nah, it can't be a mirror camera, I mean, where's the pentaprism?
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montecarlo
Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 1865 Location: Romania
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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montecarlo wrote:
As I understand, the pictures of Oly+Pancake Industar were taken with the AGFA p&s camera. _________________ Canonet QL17 III
Zenit E , Helios-44 58mm f:2.0 , Tair-11A 135mm f:2.8, Jupiter-9 85mm f:2.0,
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montecarlo
Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 1865 Location: Romania
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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montecarlo wrote:
Orio wrote: |
...where's the pentaprism?
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Oly 300,330 , Lumix L1 an Leica 3 Digilux have this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porro-Abbe_prism _________________ Canonet QL17 III
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Minolta X500, Tokina 28/2.8, Rokkor 50/1.7, 80-205/4.5
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Orio
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Ok, but this structure must take some physical space, it's still a prism after all, it needs a vertical structure. On that camera I see the flash lodging and it's almost on the same level as the top of the lens, so, where's the prism? _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Flor27
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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Flor27 wrote:
Orio wrote: |
Ok, but this structure must take some physical space, it's still a prism after all, it needs a vertical structure. |
Check this out :
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/olympuse300/
_________________ Switching from M42 to Minolta MD & Contax/Yashica |
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Orio
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Sideways prism.
Now that's stunning solution.
I was really shocked, I mean where the **** could the prism be?
All my knowledge of reflex cameras, painfully accumulated over the years, was challenged by what I saw. Well, at least I see now that I had some real reason to be astonished!!
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Katastrofo
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 10405 Location: USA
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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Katastrofo wrote:
Some people hate the looks of the "flat top" but I think it looks cool! Here
are some quick and dirty pics taken with this lens towards dusk:
first one wide open:
cat at f4.2 approximately:
and at f7.6 approximately:
I didn't do a lot of fussy processing with these, just auto-this and auto-that!
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Katastrofo
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 10405 Location: USA
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 12:47 am Post subject: |
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Katastrofo wrote:
Looking at the first picture with that little lens on the e300, I have to
apologize to Orio---it does look like a point and shoot!
Makes for a trim, lightweight kit to pack around, though.
Bill |
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patrickh
Joined: 23 Aug 2007 Posts: 8551 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 2:48 am Post subject: |
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patrickh wrote:
Those pics are awesome! Especially #2 - the cat. Hard to believe that such a little lens can do that
patrickh _________________ DSLR: Nikon D300 Nikon D200 Nex 5N
MF Zooms: Kiron 28-85/3.5, 28-105/3.2, 75-150/3.5, Nikkor 50-135/3.5 AIS // MF Primes: Nikkor 20/4 AI, 24/2 AI, 28/2 AI, 28/2.8 AIS, 28/3.5 AI, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 AIS, 35/2.8 PC, 45/2.8 P, 50/1.4 AIS, 50/1.8 AIS, 50/2 AI, 55/2.8 AIS micro, 55/3.5 AI micro, 85/2 AI, 100/2,8 E, 105/1,8 AIS, 105/2,5 AIS, 135/2 AIS, 135/2.8 AIS, 200/4 AI, 200/4 AIS micro, 300/4.5 AI, 300/4.5 AI ED, Arsat 50/1.4, Kiron 28/2, Vivitar 28/2.5, Panagor 135/2.8, Tamron 28/2.5, Tamron 90/2.5 macro, Vivitar 90/2.5 macro (Tokina) Voigtlander 90/3.5 Vivitar 105/2.5 macro (Kiron) Kaleinar 100/2.8 AI Tamron 135/2.5, Vivitar 135/2.8CF, 200/3.5, Tokina 400/5,6
M42: Vivitar 28/2.5, Tamron 28/2.5, Formula5 28/2.8, Mamiya 28/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Flektogon 35/2.4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Takumar 35/3.5, Curtagon 35/4, Takumar 50/1.4, Volna-6 50/2.8 macro, Mamiya 50/1.4, CZJ Pancolar 50/1,8, Oreston 50/1.8, Takumar 50/2, Industar 50/3.5, Sears 55/1.4, Helios 58/2, Jupiter 85/2, Helios 85/1.5, Takumar 105/2.8, Steinheil macro 105/4.5, Tamron 135/2.5, Jupiter 135/4, CZ 135/4, Steinheil Culminar 135/4,5, Jupiter 135/3.5, Takumar 135/3.5, Tair 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, CZ 135/2.8, Taika 135/3.5, Takumar 150/4, Jupiter 200/4, Takumar 200/4
Exakta: Topcon 100/2.8(M42), 35/2.8, 58/1.8, 135/2.8, 135/2.8 (M42), Kyoei Acall 135/3.5
C/Y: Yashica 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, Zeiss Planar 50/1.4, Distagon 25/2.8
Hexanon: 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 40/1.8, 50/1.7, 52/1.8, 135/3.2, 135/3.5, 35-70/3.5, 200/3.5
P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Biometar 80/2.8, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Minolta SR: 28/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 45/2, 50/2, 58/1.4, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, 200/3.5
RF: Industar 53/2.8, Jupiter 8 50/2
Enlarg: Rodagon 50/5,6, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, Vario 44-52/4, 150/5.6 180/5.6 El Nikkor 50/2,8,63/2.8,75/4, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, 135/5.6 Schneider 60/5.6, 80/5.6, 80/4S,100/5.6S,105/5.6,135/5.6, 135/5.6S, 150/5.6S, Leica 95/4
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Katastrofo
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 10405 Location: USA
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 2:53 am Post subject: |
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Katastrofo wrote:
Thanks, Patrick! I'm quite pleased with this little lens. I was pretty tired
coming home from work, hope to do some more pics this weekend. I
also had in the mail, another Olympus 35RC for $25, postage included.
I think I have enough of those, now. LOL
The lens, doesn't win any awards for bokeh, but seems to be pretty
sharp.
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patrickh
Joined: 23 Aug 2007 Posts: 8551 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 6:05 am Post subject: |
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patrickh wrote:
I have one from Attila that I hope to try out in the next couple of days. After seeing your results it has become a priority
patrickh _________________ DSLR: Nikon D300 Nikon D200 Nex 5N
MF Zooms: Kiron 28-85/3.5, 28-105/3.2, 75-150/3.5, Nikkor 50-135/3.5 AIS // MF Primes: Nikkor 20/4 AI, 24/2 AI, 28/2 AI, 28/2.8 AIS, 28/3.5 AI, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 AIS, 35/2.8 PC, 45/2.8 P, 50/1.4 AIS, 50/1.8 AIS, 50/2 AI, 55/2.8 AIS micro, 55/3.5 AI micro, 85/2 AI, 100/2,8 E, 105/1,8 AIS, 105/2,5 AIS, 135/2 AIS, 135/2.8 AIS, 200/4 AI, 200/4 AIS micro, 300/4.5 AI, 300/4.5 AI ED, Arsat 50/1.4, Kiron 28/2, Vivitar 28/2.5, Panagor 135/2.8, Tamron 28/2.5, Tamron 90/2.5 macro, Vivitar 90/2.5 macro (Tokina) Voigtlander 90/3.5 Vivitar 105/2.5 macro (Kiron) Kaleinar 100/2.8 AI Tamron 135/2.5, Vivitar 135/2.8CF, 200/3.5, Tokina 400/5,6
M42: Vivitar 28/2.5, Tamron 28/2.5, Formula5 28/2.8, Mamiya 28/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Flektogon 35/2.4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Takumar 35/3.5, Curtagon 35/4, Takumar 50/1.4, Volna-6 50/2.8 macro, Mamiya 50/1.4, CZJ Pancolar 50/1,8, Oreston 50/1.8, Takumar 50/2, Industar 50/3.5, Sears 55/1.4, Helios 58/2, Jupiter 85/2, Helios 85/1.5, Takumar 105/2.8, Steinheil macro 105/4.5, Tamron 135/2.5, Jupiter 135/4, CZ 135/4, Steinheil Culminar 135/4,5, Jupiter 135/3.5, Takumar 135/3.5, Tair 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, CZ 135/2.8, Taika 135/3.5, Takumar 150/4, Jupiter 200/4, Takumar 200/4
Exakta: Topcon 100/2.8(M42), 35/2.8, 58/1.8, 135/2.8, 135/2.8 (M42), Kyoei Acall 135/3.5
C/Y: Yashica 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, Zeiss Planar 50/1.4, Distagon 25/2.8
Hexanon: 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 40/1.8, 50/1.7, 52/1.8, 135/3.2, 135/3.5, 35-70/3.5, 200/3.5
P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Biometar 80/2.8, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Minolta SR: 28/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 45/2, 50/2, 58/1.4, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, 200/3.5
RF: Industar 53/2.8, Jupiter 8 50/2
Enlarg: Rodagon 50/5,6, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, Vario 44-52/4, 150/5.6 180/5.6 El Nikkor 50/2,8,63/2.8,75/4, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, 135/5.6 Schneider 60/5.6, 80/5.6, 80/4S,100/5.6S,105/5.6,135/5.6, 135/5.6S, 150/5.6S, Leica 95/4 |
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smctak
Joined: 06 Jul 2007 Posts: 5 Location: Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio USA
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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:47 pm Post subject: Native M42 threads? |
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smctak wrote:
Is this len's mount a native M42 originally for M42 cameras?
I have a Mir w/a which is a M39 for the M39 soviet slrs.
I bought a 39-42 thread adaptor to mount the lens on my E1.
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57849 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Yes, it has M42 native mount. _________________ -------------------------------
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DavidN
Joined: 08 Sep 2007 Posts: 3 Location: Wrexham, UK
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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DavidN wrote:
Nice lens. I got mine onto the front of my Samsung GX-1L this morning.
It's autumn here in the UK...
[img]http://djn.fotopic.net/p46356488.html[/img]
http://djn.fotopic.net/c1400428.html
One interesting point - I seem to have to add an extra stop to what the camera thinks. Maybe not to do with this particular lens, but more the way the Samsung GX-1L works.
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Are you in Wales, David? I seem to remember the name of your city as being in Wales (but maybe I am wrong, don't know much the geography of the UK).
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Attila
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Nice to see you here David! _________________ -------------------------------
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patrickh
Joined: 23 Aug 2007 Posts: 8551 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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patrickh wrote:
David, Greetings from the US - Orio, Wrexham is a beautiful part of the UK just inside Wales, and not too far from the Liverpool/Manchester complex. Lovely shots of your neighborhood David. It is not unusual for a digital camera to underexpose slightly, and if it is constant it can be corrected by an EV adjustment in the master menu. With RAW and a decent processor, it's really not a problem. I love the results I have been getting from my little Industar, the colour saturation is fabulous.
patrickh _________________ DSLR: Nikon D300 Nikon D200 Nex 5N
MF Zooms: Kiron 28-85/3.5, 28-105/3.2, 75-150/3.5, Nikkor 50-135/3.5 AIS // MF Primes: Nikkor 20/4 AI, 24/2 AI, 28/2 AI, 28/2.8 AIS, 28/3.5 AI, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 AIS, 35/2.8 PC, 45/2.8 P, 50/1.4 AIS, 50/1.8 AIS, 50/2 AI, 55/2.8 AIS micro, 55/3.5 AI micro, 85/2 AI, 100/2,8 E, 105/1,8 AIS, 105/2,5 AIS, 135/2 AIS, 135/2.8 AIS, 200/4 AI, 200/4 AIS micro, 300/4.5 AI, 300/4.5 AI ED, Arsat 50/1.4, Kiron 28/2, Vivitar 28/2.5, Panagor 135/2.8, Tamron 28/2.5, Tamron 90/2.5 macro, Vivitar 90/2.5 macro (Tokina) Voigtlander 90/3.5 Vivitar 105/2.5 macro (Kiron) Kaleinar 100/2.8 AI Tamron 135/2.5, Vivitar 135/2.8CF, 200/3.5, Tokina 400/5,6
M42: Vivitar 28/2.5, Tamron 28/2.5, Formula5 28/2.8, Mamiya 28/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Flektogon 35/2.4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Takumar 35/3.5, Curtagon 35/4, Takumar 50/1.4, Volna-6 50/2.8 macro, Mamiya 50/1.4, CZJ Pancolar 50/1,8, Oreston 50/1.8, Takumar 50/2, Industar 50/3.5, Sears 55/1.4, Helios 58/2, Jupiter 85/2, Helios 85/1.5, Takumar 105/2.8, Steinheil macro 105/4.5, Tamron 135/2.5, Jupiter 135/4, CZ 135/4, Steinheil Culminar 135/4,5, Jupiter 135/3.5, Takumar 135/3.5, Tair 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, CZ 135/2.8, Taika 135/3.5, Takumar 150/4, Jupiter 200/4, Takumar 200/4
Exakta: Topcon 100/2.8(M42), 35/2.8, 58/1.8, 135/2.8, 135/2.8 (M42), Kyoei Acall 135/3.5
C/Y: Yashica 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, Zeiss Planar 50/1.4, Distagon 25/2.8
Hexanon: 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 40/1.8, 50/1.7, 52/1.8, 135/3.2, 135/3.5, 35-70/3.5, 200/3.5
P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Biometar 80/2.8, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Minolta SR: 28/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 45/2, 50/2, 58/1.4, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, 200/3.5
RF: Industar 53/2.8, Jupiter 8 50/2
Enlarg: Rodagon 50/5,6, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, Vario 44-52/4, 150/5.6 180/5.6 El Nikkor 50/2,8,63/2.8,75/4, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, 135/5.6 Schneider 60/5.6, 80/5.6, 80/4S,100/5.6S,105/5.6,135/5.6, 135/5.6S, 150/5.6S, Leica 95/4 |
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montecarlo
Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 1865 Location: Romania
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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montecarlo wrote:
DavidN wrote: |
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One interesting point - I seem to have to add an extra stop to what the camera thinks. Maybe not to do with this particular lens, but more the way the Samsung GX-1L works.
DavidN |
My Pentax K100D does the same. I don't know about other dSLRs but Pentax ones, when a M42 lens is mounted, underexpose with about 1 stop. With a native K Pentax lens it seems to work ok. _________________ Canonet QL17 III
Zenit E , Helios-44 58mm f:2.0 , Tair-11A 135mm f:2.8, Jupiter-9 85mm f:2.0,
Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 35mm f:2.4
Pentax MX, ME Super, Chinon CE4/CM4, Petri MC 28mm f:2, smc Pentax-M 50mm f:1.7, Soligor T 135mm f:2.8
Minolta X500, Tokina 28/2.8, Rokkor 50/1.7, 80-205/4.5
Nikon D90, Nikkor 35/2.0, Nikkor 50/1.8, Sigma 24/2.8, Nikkor 18-105 VR |
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DavidN
Joined: 08 Sep 2007 Posts: 3 Location: Wrexham, UK
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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DavidN wrote:
Orio wrote: |
Are you in Wales, David? I seem to remember the name of your city as being in Wales (but maybe I am wrong, don't know much the geography of the UK).
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Wrexham is in north-east Wales - the largest conurbation in North Wales. In fact it's on the 'England' side of the hills. In the 'big picture' of the UK, we're SSW of Liverpool (about 50km I think). The Borough includes Wales's largest village (Rhosllanerchrugog) and Wales's highest village (Bwlchgwyn). [Both of these are contested, of course!]
In former years it had coal and steel industries - lots of industrial heritage. I sounds as though there's a lot to photograph, but when you live in a place, I guess you tend to take it for granted I'd better do something about that, I suppose. |
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Farside
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Farside wrote:
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I sounds as though there's a lot to photograph, but when you live in a place, I guess you tend to take it for granted |
Hah! Ain't that the truth.
When I picked up a digicam I was taken by the ability to shoot off hundreds of images for apparently no cost, then I thought about where... took me a while to realise that all around me is some of the best scenery in Europe, but I was so used to it, it didn't register that others may find it interesting.
As of late I've been driving around and thinking photographically and realising that many of the of the scenes I see simply wouldn't turn out all that well on a digicam - there's still a way to go yet, but it's (and I) getting there. _________________ Dave - Moderator
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