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martinsmith99



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 10:39 am    Post subject: Hoya Lenses Reply with quote

What are Hoya lenses like? Any gems in there, in particular the wider lenses?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

see tokina lenses because hoya lenses are and were mainly manufactured by tokina (and now tokina is part of hoya)
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Compared to others this one semms to be a good one : http://www.pbase.com/steephill/image/38667685 / http://www.pbase.com/steephill/28mms
Maybe other ones are in the same league (often I saw the 135mm f:2.8 lens - same, silver aperture ring Smile - in different mount too, on ebay with a final price around ~20-25 GBP ).
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got two, one is OK (Hoya HMC Macro 3.8/80-205, but I only know it on film, it's an FD lens) and the other one is pretty good (Hoya HMC 3.5/25-42 Zoom&Macro, but the Tokina AT-X 2.8/24-40 is clearly better).
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hoya lenses were never sold in japanese market, only exported to
mainly Europe. The list is (from my friend) >

http://www.hi-ho.ne.jp/sbko-hq/OTHERS/HOYA_HMC_LENS.html
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have the 135/2.8 in K mount, rather poor lens Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LucisPictor wrote:
I've got two, one is OK (Hoya HMC Macro 3.8/80-205, but I only know it on film, it's an FD lens)

My dad has this in Vivitar labeling and M42 mount...although I'm not sure about the macro part.

Big lens, pretty heavy...so-so image quality. I'd rather lug around the Tamron 19AH...
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

some corrections:

1) Tokina is not part of Hoya

Hoya is the biggest japanese producer of optical glass and the worlds 2nd after Zeiss-Schott Glas in europe.

Tokina and Hoya are cooperating since the 1990 and Hoya delivers the high quality optical glass to tokina (same as Tamron, Pentax and many others). Hoya, Tokina and Kenko are distributed world wide by THK - so people think that tokina is part of hoya. Thats not true....Pentax is part of hoya and Tokina is subcontracted to produce lenses for Pentax.

2) In the 1970 to 1980s Hoya produced and sold their own "hoya HMC" lens series to the USA and europe. This lenses are made by Hoya and several other subcontractors (Tamron, Tokina and other japanese OEM manufacturer).

3) The quality of the Hoya HMC lenses were very good.......the Zooms are like Komura Zooms very good........I would say the same league as Vivitar Series 1 and Kiron.

The 28mm lenses are good........after Kiron, Komura the third best...much better than the old Tokinas, Tamrons, makinon, Beroflex and other 3rd Party brands.

4) 135mm and 200mm were tested in germany between 1977-1980 and the results were good slightly under the 1st Class brands like Canon, Nikon, Minolta MD and pentax. The Zooms were really good and compete with the 1st class brands.


Hoya lenses are rare and some older ones are only single coated.....the multicoated version are very good.

cheers

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CarbonR wrote:
I have the 135/2.8 in K mount, rather poor lens Rolling Eyes


But have you an HMC lens or not?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, it was a HMC version, it seems to be a 3/3 formula..
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My Takumar lenses collection :
S-M-C F-E 17/4, F-E 18/11, S-M-C 20/4.5, S-M-C 24/3.5, S 28/3.5 (V1), S-M-C 28/3.5, S 35/2 (V1), S-M-C 35/2, S-M-C 35/3.5, Auto 35/2.3, S 50/1.4 V1, S-M-C 50/1.4, A-K 50/3.5 V2, Macro 50/4 (preset), Auto 55/2.2, S-M-C/6x7 55/3.5, A-K 58/2.4, Auto 85/1.8, S-M-C 85/1.8, S-M-C Bellows 100/4, S-M-C/6x7 105/2.4, S-M-C 105/2.8, S-M-C 120/2.8, 135/3.5 (preset and AK), S-M-C 135/3.5, S-M-C 135/2.5 (V2), S 135/2.5, S-M-C 150/4, 200/3.5 (preset), S-M-C 200/4, Tele 200/5.6, S-M-C/6x7 200/4, S 300/4, Tele 300/6.3, Tele 400/5.6, S-M-C/6X7 400/4, S-M-C 500/4.5, Zoom 45-125/4, Zoom 85-210/4.5
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FWIW, from Modern Photo tests in 1978:

Hoya 28mm f/2.8 HMC Wide-Auto. Min focuse .3m (12in). 7 element design. Slight overcorrection for spherical aberration, quite normal for these wide angle lenses, but no other faults, no axial color, nice round point image. Color transparencies... the clean contrast and sharpness of detail reminded us of the high quality older 28mm lenses from the most prestigious manufacturers. The resolution #s are 54 center at all apertures (60 at f/11) with edge going rom 43 to 54 lines/mm by f/8.

Hoya HMC Tele-Auto 135mm f/2.8. Min focus 1.5m. 4 elements. Slight overcorrected spherical, moderate green flare, some zonal aberration. f/5.6 is the critial stop. Slides show slight softness wide open. By f/4 center/edge excellent, corners sharpen up by f/8.

Hoya HMC Zoom 25-42 f/3.5
Min focus .8m, On axis slight red flare... Slides show off axis hint of softness at f/3.5,... resolution shows 'excellent' at all focal lengths in the center, getting 68 lpmm at f/5.6-f/8 at 25mm and 32, 60lpmm at 42. Edges hold up pretty well to, and this is one of the few lenses that seems to get even a medium in the contrast tests.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aykman wrote:
Hi,

...

3) The quality of the Hoya HMC lenses were very good.......the Zooms are like Komura Zooms very good........I would say the same league as Vivitar Series 1 and Kiron.
...

4) 135mm and 200mm were tested in germany between 1977-1980 and the results were good slightly under the 1st Class brands like Canon, Nikon, Minolta MD and pentax. The Zooms were really good and compete with the 1st class brands.


Hoya lenses are rare and some older ones are only single coated.....the multicoated version are very good.

...


Why the opinion on this len are so different?

Very good vs very bad. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alelinuxbsd wrote:


Why the opinion on this len are so different?

Very good vs very bad. Rolling Eyes


Well, there are several reasons. Firstly,we all make our own judgements based on what we've had ourselves. Secondly, sometimes we make judgements on the basis of what we've read or been told. But most importantly - though sadly - the quality of lenses always did (and still does) vary from time to time and from model to model, even from the same maker.

Between the 60s and the 90s, lens selling was a highly competitive business and the chief motivator for makers and vendors (who were often not the same people) was profit. Leitz, Nikon and Zeiss and may have checked every lens, but the high volume makers did not budget for a large inspection department and relied on automated machinery producing standardised components which would fit together reliably enough to satisfy the demands of what was then essentially an uncritical market.

Machine tools weren't checked that often, and tolerances could run right up to, or even beyond, the limits specified in the design before adjustments were made. That's why individual lenses vary even when coming from the same maker.

It may be hard to admit, but the name on the relatively inexpensive Japanese lenses is not really any guarantee of quality. Sometimes we get a lens which is superb, usuallywe have one which works very well, and - relatively rarely - we get a really, really bad one. And many of us will tell you that we've had rotten ones with the most respected names on them !
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've already posted a test between 6 135mm lenses (one zoom lens, 5 primes) :
(click to get 2000x2000 version, all are 100% crops)

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Lenses : Approx. 80 lenses, from 17mm to 500mm (24x36), 55mm to 400mm (6x7), f/1.2 to f/90, 98g to 3345g
My Takumar lenses collection :
S-M-C F-E 17/4, F-E 18/11, S-M-C 20/4.5, S-M-C 24/3.5, S 28/3.5 (V1), S-M-C 28/3.5, S 35/2 (V1), S-M-C 35/2, S-M-C 35/3.5, Auto 35/2.3, S 50/1.4 V1, S-M-C 50/1.4, A-K 50/3.5 V2, Macro 50/4 (preset), Auto 55/2.2, S-M-C/6x7 55/3.5, A-K 58/2.4, Auto 85/1.8, S-M-C 85/1.8, S-M-C Bellows 100/4, S-M-C/6x7 105/2.4, S-M-C 105/2.8, S-M-C 120/2.8, 135/3.5 (preset and AK), S-M-C 135/3.5, S-M-C 135/2.5 (V2), S 135/2.5, S-M-C 150/4, 200/3.5 (preset), S-M-C 200/4, Tele 200/5.6, S-M-C/6x7 200/4, S 300/4, Tele 300/6.3, Tele 400/5.6, S-M-C/6X7 400/4, S-M-C 500/4.5, Zoom 45-125/4, Zoom 85-210/4.5
[FR & ENG]Takumar - the eyes of the Spotmatic : info about Takumar lenses // Kogaku - My photo site
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Available for sale : Dealer stands, Super Takumar 24/3.5, Auto Takumar 35/2.3, S-M-C Macro Takumar 50/4 and 100/4, Asahi Kogaku Takumar 58/2.4 Heliar type (M37), Tamron 350/5.6 (miror lens), Mamiya 50/4.5 for RB67 non listed : Please check Pentax K gear and M42 and Takumar gear, ask me if you're interested in something// Want To Buy // Takumars M37/M42
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CarbonR wrote:
I've already posted a test between 6 135mm lenses (one zoom lens, 5 primes) :


Er, the zoom looks to be doing quite well ...
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