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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 11:09 am    Post subject: How do you like this lens? Reply with quote
If you look at the way the lens has rendered these pictures, how would you judge its performance? Can you even guess which (kind of) lens I have used?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Looks an AF lens to me, nice but neutral.


PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Attila wrote:
Looks an AF lens to me, nice but neutral.

No, that would have been too much a trap. It's not an AF lens.


PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
nice to see your daughter playing Very Happy

I don't like the fuzzy bokeh of this lens and on the first wide open sample the highlights have very marked contour. Not for me.


PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
LucisPictor wrote:
It's not an AF lens.

That surprises me, I would have agreed with Attila. There is less contrast than I'd like to see, which suggests it might be a Meyer lens. Domiplan by any chance?


PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
My second guess a third party Japanese lens...


PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I find the double edges of the bokeh disturbing, while the contrast and sharpness seem very nice, butto be able to give an informed opinion I'd need to see the full size pictures.


PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
peterqd wrote:
... There is less contrast than I'd like to see...

Really? I think contrast is not flat here. Hmmm...


PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
I find the double edges of the bokeh disturbing...

poilu wrote:
I don't like the fuzzy bokeh of this lens and on the first wide open sample the highlights have very marked contour.

Yes, the highlight bokeh is the aspect I also don't like.

Orio wrote:
...while the contrast and sharpness seem very nice...

I agree.

poilu wrote:
nice to see your daughter playing Very Happy

Thanks! Yes, finally spring has arrived.


PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Contrast and saturation seem optimal, provided that the camera settings were neutral (my 400D came with both saturation and contrast set to +1 as default, I then neutralized the default settings, I don't know about your 40D).


PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Look at this pic again:


In my opinion there is a 3D-effect which I would not have expected from this lens.

What do you think?


PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
Contrast and saturation seem optimal, provided that the camera settings were neutral (my 400D came with both saturation and contrast set to +1 as default, I then neutralized the default settings, I don't know about your 40D).


I was playing around with my 350D. Wink
Shot in RAW, standard development.


PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
LucisPictor wrote:

In my opinion there is a 3D-effect which I would not have expected from this lens.
What do you think?


Yes, quite good.


PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
OK, let me solve that riddle. I have shot with this lens:

Kiron 4.5/70-210 Macro 1:4 MC (C/Y-mount)

My verdict so far:

+ sharp
+ pretty contrasty
+ renders surprisingly nice 3D effect
+ well built

0 general bokeh is not too bad, but not good either
0 "only" f4.5, but constant

- highlight bokeh (almost like from a mirror lens)
- not easy to focus (even minimal turn changes focus considerably)


PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
LucisPictor wrote:
peterqd wrote:
... There is less contrast than I'd like to see...

Really? I think contrast is not flat here. Hmmm...

Maybe it's my monitor (TFT which won't calibrate) or maybe they're a little over-exposed for my taste. I saw your message about the Domiplan, it was just a shot in the dark really. Wink


PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Seems like a good solid lens that delivers pleasant contrasted and saturated images. Speed is not that important because this kind of zooms are "sunlight lenses" in any case. I find however the bokeh really on the poor side in all instances (not only in the highlights). The bright edge, or so called donut-effect, also influences the look of the bokeh when there is no highlights, see the middle ground bushes in picture 1 or the funky stone rendering of the big grey stones in picture 3. Unfortunately when the bokeh is like this, there is not much that you can do, it will show in nearly all photographs. So I'm afraid I would not use it much, either. Bokeh is very important with tele lenses, because there will always be a part of your pictures that will be out of focus when using tele lenses.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Carsten wrote:
Kiron 4.5/70-210 Macro 1:4 MC | cat. I | A-B
Nice, not that fast, but quite sharp

nice lens for cat. I


PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
what is cat.1 ?


PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
what is cat.1 ?

It means that I have paid less then € 10,- for this lens. Wink

And if you look at the pic of the lens, you see that it is like new!


PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
LucisPictor wrote:
Orio wrote:
what is cat.1 ?

It means that I have paid less then € 10,- for this lens. Wink


Ah, in that case it's an excellent bargain!


PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
LucisPictor wrote:
Orio wrote:
what is cat.1 ?

It means that I have paid less then € 10,- for this lens. Wink


Ah, in that case it's an excellent bargain!


Yes. And I think that Attila and Peter are right. The "character" of this lens definitely resembles the one of a modern AF lens, IMHO.


PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
LucisPictor wrote:

Yes. And I think that Attila and Peter are right. The "character" of this lens definitely resembles the one of a modern AF lens, IMHO.


As far as I am concerned, I usually find AF lenses (especially Canon's) images to look more flat and bidimensional than this.


PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Carsten

I am a fan of Kiron, but have never been very fond of the 70-210 for some reason (maybe the OOF), but at that price - WOW. See if you can find the 28-85 - it's a lovely lens and not just "for a zoom".



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patrickh
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