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Minolta 135 F2.8 |
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eddieitman
Joined: 12 Apr 2011 Posts: 1247 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 7:52 pm Post subject: help me choose Minolta MD 135 F2.8 or 3.5 |
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eddieitman wrote:
Ok i have decided to compliment my first SLR that i bought almost 25 years ago with the glass that it deserves as at the time i had a very poor sigma zoom lens, so now i can afford some better glass, and i now have following
Minolta MD 35mm F2.8
Minolta PG 50mm F1.4
I will add the 28mm F2.8 if i can get it cheap.
But i am looking to add a nice portrait lens in the 135 Range I will only be going with Minolta, so no other suggestions.
What lens is better then the
MD 135 F3.5 or the 135 F2.8
If you have samples i would appreciate.
I will be buying one of these two
They will mostly be for my film setup
Also is it worth me upgrading my x-300 to the x-700? _________________ My web site www.digital-darkroom.weebly.com
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ForenSeil
Joined: 15 Apr 2011 Posts: 2726 Location: Kiel, Germany.
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Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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ForenSeil wrote:
There are more than one Minolta 135/2.8 ^^
I only had one of them on NEX-C3, I think latest MD version. Very good in center wide open, not worse than 3-4times more expensive Carl Zeiss Sonnar T* 135/2.8 C/Y or Leica Elmarit-R 135/2.8. Only corners were inferior (vignetting etc.) if I remember correctly. _________________ I'm not a collector, I'm a tester
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Most wanted: Samyang 24/1.4, Samyang 35/1.4, Nikon 200/2 ED
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eddieitman
Joined: 12 Apr 2011 Posts: 1247 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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eddieitman wrote:
looking at the md tele rokkor 135mm f2.8 with 55mm filter _________________ My web site www.digital-darkroom.weebly.com
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7785 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
I've got both, and the pair are in great condition. But, I have never shot them back to back. I use the 2.8 more, and it is a glorious lens. It does what you ask of it.
The 3.5? it's slower, smaller and lighter, but still a very good lens. I got the 3.5 in a kit of Minolta stuff, and I wasn't at all dissapointed with it, but when I saw the 2.8 at a reasonable price at the camera fair I bought it, I think I paid about £40 for it.
I like them both, some days when I go for a walk and I can't be bothered to carry a bag I'll drop the 3.5 in a jacket pocket, but I'm rarely far away from my 2.8.
I should do a shootout.... here's one from the 2.8
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Mir
Joined: 07 Feb 2011 Posts: 978 Location: Montreal, Canada
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Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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Mir wrote:
I should have an X-700 for sale soon... _________________ "Obsta principiis, finem respice"
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MISC: Tamron SP 35-80 (01A), Auto Chinon Tomioka 1.4/55, Tokina AT-X 2.5/90, Tamron SP 5,6/300 (54B)
ZEISS: WG Distagon 2.8/25, WG Distagon 2.8/35 HFT, WG Planar HFT 1.4/50, Ultron 1.8/50, WG Sonnar 2.8/85, WG Sonnar HFT 2.8/135
VOIGTLÄNDER : Ultron Aspherical 1.8/21, Ultron 2/28, Nokton Aspherical 1.2/35, Nokton Classic 1.4/40, Nokton Aspherical 1.5/50, Color-Heliar 2.5/75
MINOLTA: MD 3.5/35-70 Macro, MD 1.2/50, MC Rokkor-X 1.2/58, MD Macro 3.5/50
LEITZ: SUMMICRON-R 2/35 (II), SUMMICRON-R 2/50 (II), TELE ELMARIT-M 2,8/90 (Thin)
CANON RF: 2.8/28, 2/35, 1.2/50, 1.4/50, Serenar 1.8/50, 2/85, 2/100, 3.5/100
LTM : CHIYODA KOGAKU SUPER ROKKOR 1.8/5cm, CHIYOKO SUPER ROKKOR C 2/5cm, TOKYO KOGAKU Topcor-S 2/5cm, Nippon Kogaku NIKKOR-H.C 2/5cm, FUJI FILM CO. FUJINON L 2/5cm, KMZ Jupiter-8 2/5cm
And a small Minolta AF set: 2.8/20, 1.4/35, 1.4/50, 2/100, 4.5/100-200
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DR.JUAN
Joined: 08 Feb 2013 Posts: 661
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Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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DR.JUAN wrote:
Both very nice lenses. But in my taste, the 2,8 win.
Now i have only the 2,8 - 4/4 version. The rest, sold |
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philslizzy
Joined: 07 Aug 2012 Posts: 4748 Location: Cheshire, England
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Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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philslizzy wrote:
I havent got the 2.8 I have others which I use, but the f3.5 is a cracking lens. Mine is the old second generation MC version. It gives the 135 f3.5 Nikkor Q a run for its money, and the Jupiter 11 and 37a. So I'm happy. _________________ Hero in the 'messin-with-cameras-for-the-hell-of-it department'. Official. |
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TrueLoveOne
Joined: 30 Sep 2012 Posts: 1840 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:59 am Post subject: |
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TrueLoveOne wrote:
The f/3.5 comes in a few different versions as well. I've got 3 i guess... i don't use 135mm lenses a lot, planning on doing so since i bought the MD f/2.8.
Upgrading to an X-700 is a good thing! It has more features! Look for an X-500/570 as well, some say it's even better, it was marketed later than the 700 and has some improvements. Read this for more information: http://www.rokkorfiles.com/X-570.htm
You'll find some information on the 135 lenses on that website too! _________________ My Flickr photostream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/chantalrene/
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DR.JUAN
Joined: 08 Feb 2013 Posts: 661
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Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2014 10:08 am Post subject: |
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DR.JUAN wrote:
philslizzy wrote: |
I havent got the 2.8 I have others which I use, but the f3.5 is a cracking lens. Mine is the old second generation MC version. It gives the 135 f3.5 Nikkor Q a run for its money, and the Jupiter 11 and 37a. So I'm happy. |
Is it the QD Version? |
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Minolfan
Joined: 30 Dec 2008 Posts: 3437 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2014 10:14 am Post subject: |
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Minolfan wrote:
More detailed info on Minolta manual lenses: http://minolta.eazypix.de/lenses/ |
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philslizzy
Joined: 07 Aug 2012 Posts: 4748 Location: Cheshire, England
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Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2014 10:26 am Post subject: |
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philslizzy wrote:
DR.JUAN wrote: |
philslizzy wrote: |
I havent got the 2.8 I have others which I use, but the f3.5 is a cracking lens. Mine is the old second generation MC version. It gives the 135 f3.5 Nikkor Q a run for its money, and the Jupiter 11 and 37a. So I'm happy. |
Is it the QD Version? |
Yes this is mine - a fine lens!
Sorry, crap AF to blame for focus _________________ Hero in the 'messin-with-cameras-for-the-hell-of-it department'. Official. |
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Drack
Joined: 27 Feb 2011 Posts: 735 Location: Lithuania
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Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2014 10:51 am Post subject: |
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Drack wrote:
I do use an X-700 and I also have the X-300. The X-700 has some nice features, a lot more than you`d actually need. I do not use the P mode, I almost always stay at A. As far as functionality goes, the X-300 is less, but less might be better in this case. I can`t say that X-700 is better built or that it`s VF is brighter. They are primarily the same, but the 700 has more features to it. If you can get it for cheap - yes, why not, however if your thinking about paying 50$ for a nice one off ebay, I`d pass. _________________ I have many great Russian cameras and lenses for sale on my ebay account, please check it out: http://www.ebay.com/sch/piksius/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=25&_trksid=p3686
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nurkov
Joined: 21 Feb 2013 Posts: 711 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2014 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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nurkov wrote:
I do have 3 minolta MF film bodies and 135mm F3.5 lens, as for a body really not an issue any is good, I do not use any extra futures to be honest. All you have to do is to set it up in A mode and set f stop and focus. i cannot tal about 2.8 version as I do not have one but 3.5 is great, sharp and very light and small, I absolutely love it. Example below:
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tf
Joined: 29 Sep 2017 Posts: 162
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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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tf wrote:
Hey,
Head to head comparison of Minolta MD 135mm f/2.8 vs. MD 135mm f/3.5 - sharpness on infinity distance only test, but it looks enough to see the winner
Hope it can help to make a choice |
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Antoine
Joined: 08 Jan 2016 Posts: 298 Location: London
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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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Antoine wrote:
2.8 (5/5) looks quite better... and I can testify it is very compact. Lots of people think the old 4/4 version is better though. _________________ Antoine
Sony A6000 APS-C and Sony A7 Rii
Minolta Fisheye MD Rokkor 7.5 mm f4, Fisheye MD 16 f2.8 MD R 17mm f4, MD R 20mm f2.8, MC VFC & MDIII 24mm f2.8, MD 28mm f2.0 &3.5, MD II 35mm 1.8, MD 45mm f2.0, MD 50mm f 1.2 & MD I f1.4, MC PG 58mm 1.2, MD 85mm f2.0, MD R 85mm f2.8 Varisoft, MC 85mm f1.7 MD R 100mm f2.5, MD R 100mm f4.0 macro, MD III 135mm f2.8, MD R 200mm f2.8 & 4.0, RF 250mm f5.6, MD 300mm f4.5, MD APO 400 mm f5.6, RF 500mm f8.0, RF 800mm f8.0 *2 300-s and 300-l
100 mm f4 macro bellows (5/4)
Vivitar 17mm f3.5, Elicar 300mm mirror f5.6, Zhongi turbo ii
Sigma 16mm f 2.8 fish eye
Zooms:24-50 mm f4, 35-70 mm f3.5 macro, 28-85mm f3.5-4.5, 50-135 f 3.5, 70-210 f4 and MD APO 100-500 mm f8 |
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miran
Joined: 01 Aug 2012 Posts: 1364 Location: Slovenia
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 5:56 am Post subject: |
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miran wrote:
Good comparison. I confirms my experience as well. The f/3.5 is a tiny little bit worse, but then again also the difference in weight and size is also noticable. Personally I take the f/3.5 out more often because a 135 is usually not the main lens but just on of the extras in my bag, and in this case the f/3.5 is good enough while not being too big and heavy. Every gram counts. _________________ my flickr stream |
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stevemark
Joined: 29 Apr 2011 Posts: 3754 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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stevemark wrote:
I'm a bit surprised that your 3.5/135mm is not perfectly sharp wide open, in the very center of the image. Either something with the lens is not entirely OK, or focusing was slightly off.
In my personal experience the MD-II 3.5/135mm (which should have the same formula as your MD-III, but one never really knows ...) is one of the best Minolta 135mm lenses.
I'll run a quick small test tomorrow as well, albeit with MD-II 3.5/135mm vs MD-III 2.8/135mm!
Stephan _________________ www.artaphot.ch |
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tf
Joined: 29 Sep 2017 Posts: 162
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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tf wrote:
stevemark wrote: |
I'm a bit surprised that your 3.5/135mm is not perfectly sharp wide open, in the very center of the image. Either something with the lens is not entirely OK, or focusing was slightly off.
In my personal experience the MD-II 3.5/135mm (which should have the same formula as your MD-III, but one never really knows ...) is one of the best Minolta 135mm lenses.
I'll run a quick small test tomorrow as well, albeit with MD-II 3.5/135mm vs MD-III 2.8/135mm! |
It isn't missed focus - this my copy always demonstrations the slight soft if wide opened. Lens has never been disassembled and it has no any signs of damage. And for me - this result is OK in anyway, I don't expect better quality from this lens. But if your copy has a really different IQ - it would be interesting. I'll be waiting for the result from your one |
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stevemark
Joined: 29 Apr 2011 Posts: 3754 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 8:04 am Post subject: |
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stevemark wrote:
tf wrote: |
It isn't missed focus - this my copy always demonstrations the slight soft if wide opened. Lens has never been disassembled and it has no any signs of damage. And for me - this result is OK in anyway, I don't expect better quality from this lens. But if your copy has a really different IQ - it would be interesting. I'll be waiting for the result from your one |
Thank you for this information - i'll have time today to check my MD-II 3.5/135mm [5/5].
Compared to other companies (e. g. Tokina) Minolta seems to have had a quite good quality control system. Among about 300 Minolta MF lenses i have seen only a 4.5/70-200mm, a MC-II 2.8/135mm and a MD-I 4/200mm with problems. Among these, the 4/200mm had a damaged front ring which would explain the problems, and the 2.8/135mm was very unsharp even at f11 - i don't think this lens came out the factory like this, but probably was altered later (e. g. last lens flipped over / built in in "reversed mode" after a repair attempt).
BTW how do you know that a lens has never been disassemled?? Unless you yourself bought it firsthand back in th 1980s there's no way to decide whether a lens was disassembled or not, is there? Or am i wrong?
Stephan _________________ www.artaphot.ch |
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tf
Joined: 29 Sep 2017 Posts: 162
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:11 am Post subject: |
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tf wrote:
[quote="stevemark"]
tf wrote: |
BTW how do you know that a lens has never been disassemled?? Unless you yourself bought it firsthand back in th 1980s there's no way to decide whether a lens was disassembled or not, is there? Or am i wrong? |
I can't be sure for 100%, but condition of screws and splines gives me reason to believe that they have never been rotated after the lens was assembled |
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Antoine
Joined: 08 Jan 2016 Posts: 298 Location: London
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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Antoine wrote:
tf
At the end of the day, given Stephan has excellent an 135 mm 3.5, either something went wrong with your test or your lens is a "bad apple" (damaged or always bad). _________________ Antoine
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Minolta Fisheye MD Rokkor 7.5 mm f4, Fisheye MD 16 f2.8 MD R 17mm f4, MD R 20mm f2.8, MC VFC & MDIII 24mm f2.8, MD 28mm f2.0 &3.5, MD II 35mm 1.8, MD 45mm f2.0, MD 50mm f 1.2 & MD I f1.4, MC PG 58mm 1.2, MD 85mm f2.0, MD R 85mm f2.8 Varisoft, MC 85mm f1.7 MD R 100mm f2.5, MD R 100mm f4.0 macro, MD III 135mm f2.8, MD R 200mm f2.8 & 4.0, RF 250mm f5.6, MD 300mm f4.5, MD APO 400 mm f5.6, RF 500mm f8.0, RF 800mm f8.0 *2 300-s and 300-l
100 mm f4 macro bellows (5/4)
Vivitar 17mm f3.5, Elicar 300mm mirror f5.6, Zhongi turbo ii
Sigma 16mm f 2.8 fish eye
Zooms:24-50 mm f4, 35-70 mm f3.5 macro, 28-85mm f3.5-4.5, 50-135 f 3.5, 70-210 f4 and MD APO 100-500 mm f8 |
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tf
Joined: 29 Sep 2017 Posts: 162
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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tf wrote:
Antoine wrote: |
tf
At the end of the day, given Stephan has excellent an 135 mm 3.5, either something went wrong with your test or your lens is a "bad apple" (damaged or always bad). |
That's possible of course
But I'm filling that my copy hasn't difference in behavior from other lenses of such type - you know, after testing of number of lens even small deviations became seen for you, and you at least start to be alert. For example - if speed of increasing sharpness from wide opened to next closed step is abnormal, too big difference between center and corners etc. Anyway - I'm waiting results from stevemark (with respect), and if result really different with my, then I promise to get another one MDIII for reproducing the test.
But one more thing - this tested 135/3.5 works as a really nice lens, and just little bit not so good as 3/4-stop faster MD135/2.8 - what's wrong? It's normal behavior for tons of lenses, and only here we got doubts? Actually, who's believe that 135/3.5 is better wide opened than 135/2.8 closed for one stop? Not I'm at least - I mean MDIII vs MDIII comparisons of course. So, let's wait |
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