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Stanley
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Stanley wrote:
Hello you all !
Hi Olivier (Oli-62) 
I finally found the way to subscribe this forum. (seems there's an issue registering with chrome browser).
So yes, I'm the one Olivier speaks in the 1st thread.
I found another link with a 35mm Gracia on ebay France.
http://cgi.ebay.fr/Objectif-GRACIA-35mm-1-2-8-m42-Pentax-Zenith-/230534337726
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can't wait for the M42 adapter to try these lenses ! cos the one I have is a nikon to EOS...
That would be really nice if these two could be as good as Helios lenses 
Stan'
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casualcollector
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| Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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casualcollector wrote:
Very near match to Carenar branded lenses that I have, both of whaich are marked Made In Korea. Is the rear flange attached with three, equally spaced screws?
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ylyad
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| Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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ylyad wrote:
| Stanley wrote: |
Hello you all !
Hi Olivier (Oli-62)
I finally found the way to subscribe this forum. (seems there's an issue registering with chrome browser).
So yes, I'm the one Olivier speaks in the 1st thread.
I found another link with a 35mm Gracia on ebay France.
http://cgi.ebay.fr/Objectif-GRACIA-35mm-1-2-8-m42-Pentax-Zenith-/230534337726
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can't wait for the M42 adapter to try these lenses ! cos the one I have is a nikon to EOS...
That would be really nice if these two could be as good as Helios lenses
Stan'
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Hi Stan, welcome here (I'm on the same french forum too ). Be careful, the Helios lenses I'm mentioning are Japanese ones, not the well-known russian lenses you may think of. It does not mean they are bad (well, my Helios 28 2.8 is very very soft...), but I want to avoid any confusions
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Stanley
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| Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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Stanley wrote:
| casualcollector wrote: |
| Very near match to Carenar branded lenses that I have, both of whaich are marked Made In Korea. Is the rear flange attached with three, equally spaced screws? |
I'll take a closer look at the rear of the lenses tonight but I remember 3 screws for the 135mm
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Hi Stan, welcome here (I'm on the same french forum too ). Be careful, the Helios lenses I'm mentioning are Japanese ones, not the well-known russian lenses you may think of. It does not mean they are bad (well, my Helios 28 2.8 is very very soft...), but I want to avoid any confusions |
Ok I'll keep it in mind
I'm just introducing myself to the ML. I already own 3 old nikkor lenses. A good 50mm 1.4 and two zooms worth nothing good.
My adaptor just don't fit as well as it should, the lens swings a bit too much...
I really appreciate de physic contact with the M42 lens, more than W/ the EF of EFS. |
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Stanley
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| Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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Stanley wrote:
maybe I have a clue
http://www.collection-appareils.fr/premier/html/gracia_pc600D.php
This page says Gracia's real name is PREMIER. And also that the camera showns on the page is a crap  |
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PBFACTS
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| Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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PBFACTS wrote:
Do not make confusion : Premier is one of the most - perhaps the biggest - important sub-contractor for cheap cameras for years (i do know them since 1980)
http://www.premiercamera.co.uk/
ie ; this camera
http://www.premiercamera.co.uk/6332.html
is - same - cmos updated excepted - than 4mp Epson L400 camera .
Following Wikipedia
* Ricoh Caplio RR660 ( = Premier DC-6370 )
* Pentax Optio E20 ( = Premier DC-6371 )
* Traveler DC-8600 ( = Premier DS-8650 )
* Revue DC 80 SZ ( = Premier DS-8650 )
* Premier DS-8330 ( = Minox DC 8111 = Avant S8 = Acer CR-8530 = Rollei dp8300 = Voigtländer Virtus D8 = Mustek MDC 830Z = Traveler DC-8300 = Revue DC 8000 = Maginon 8300)
* Premier DC-4331 ( = BenQ DC E43 = Minox DC 4211 = Minolta E40 = Rollei Prego dp4200 = Centon DC4s = Voigtländer Virtus D4 = Maginon Slimline X4)
* Foxconn DS-A650 ( = Minox DC 1022 = Traveler DC-XZ6)
This confirm that Gracia is a distribution name
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Here they are :
2.8/135mm
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Look also close to the first makinon lenses
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+ i sell: OM Vivitar 28-70 3.5-4.8 / 28-90 s1 2.8-3.5 / 35-70 2.8-3.8 / 55/2.8 Macro 1:1 (komine) / 70-150 3.8 ot (kiron) / 75-150 ot 3.8 (tokina + 2x matched)
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Olivier
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| Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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Olivier wrote:
Welcome here Stan 
Now it's too late. You're definitely caught in MFLenses diseases.
Don't be afraid, we are all mad and we like it.
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Stanley
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| Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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Stanley wrote:
I knew it was a little risky for me to come here... 
Well, now, I have to do something for the diaphragm of the 135mm.
I didn't manage to close it, permantely wide open... the 35mm has a toggle switch A/M but I didn't find anything on the 135... no idea ? |
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Stanley
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| Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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Stanley wrote:
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Do not make confusion : Premier is one of the most - perhaps the biggest - important sub-contractor for cheap cameras for years (i do know them since 1980)
This confirm that Gracia is a distribution name
Look also close to the first makinon lenses |
Tks PBFACTS.
I had a look at the makinon lenses but I didn't find them similar to these two...
The fact that PREMIER focused on cheap cameras is just too bad 
I'll try to take a few shots with the lens against the body without adaptor... |
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Stanley
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| Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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Stanley wrote:
Here is a shot of the rear of both lenses
(35mm under)
so, yes : 3 equally spaced screws
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Olivier
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| Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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Olivier wrote:
What happens with the 135 when you set it to f22 and push the pin on the rear ?
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8310
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| Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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| What happens with the 135 when you set it to f22 and push the pin on the rear ? |
Does that activate the self-destruction mechanism?
I know, I know, I am OT again, I will shut up now. |
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Olivier
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| Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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Olivier wrote:
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| Olivier wrote: |
| What happens with the 135 when you set it to f22 and push the pin on the rear ? |
Does that activate the self-destruction mechanism?
I know, I know, I am OT again, I will shut up now. |
Why did you tell him ? 
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Nordentro wrote:
| Olivier wrote: |
| 8310 wrote: |
| Olivier wrote: |
| What happens with the 135 when you set it to f22 and push the pin on the rear ? |
Does that activate the self-destruction mechanism?
I know, I know, I am OT again, I will shut up now. |
Why did you tell him ? |
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Stanley
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| Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 8:26 am Post subject: |
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Stanley wrote:
| 8310 wrote: |
| Olivier wrote: |
| What happens with the 135 when you set it to f22 and push the pin on the rear ? |
Does that activate the self-destruction mechanism?
I know, I know, I am OT again, I will shut up now. |
Oh my god ! A rabbit get out of the lens ! 
Why does it happen everytime I push the pin ?
What do I do now with all those rabbits ? Do I have to put them back in ?
Seriously I already tried it but nothing happened.
I'm not at home right now and can't test it but I'll give it another try back home.
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Stanley
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| Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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Stanley wrote:
As I said, nothing happens. I just feel the spring pushing the pin back.
The ring of the diafragm turns smoothly with a sound at every step.
I tried to unscrew the rear with the 3 screws but the precision screwdrivers I have seems not to fit in... is there a trick ?
EDIT
I found out how to unscrew it, there was some glue on it.
After removing the rear rings and lens, the problem appeared to come from the spring that should close the diafragm. There is no more tension on it so the diafragm stand still full open.
That was a pleasant experience, maybe there is a way to find another spring... I'll try something later.
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Stanley
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| Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:43 am Post subject: |
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Stanley wrote:
Well, actually the spring was ok. I cleaned the blades and it works perfectly now.
I managed to loose the little ball of the diaphragm ring but I finally found it back...two days later. What a chance !
I'm still waiting for the delivery of the EOS/M42 ring... 
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