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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello you all !

Hi Olivier (Oli-62) Wink
I finally found the way to subscribe this forum. (seems there's an issue registering with chrome browser).
So yes, I'm the one Olivier speaks in the 1st thread.

I found another link with a 35mm Gracia on ebay France.

http://cgi.ebay.fr/Objectif-GRACIA-35mm-1-2-8-m42-Pentax-Zenith-/230534337726
...

can't wait for the M42 adapter to try these lenses ! cos the one I have is a nikon to EOS...

That would be really nice if these two could be as good as Helios lenses Cool

Stan'



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very near match to Carenar branded lenses that I have, both of whaich are marked Made In Korea. Is the rear flange attached with three, equally spaced screws?


PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stanley wrote:
Hello you all !

Hi Olivier (Oli-62) Wink
I finally found the way to subscribe this forum. (seems there's an issue registering with chrome browser).
So yes, I'm the one Olivier speaks in the 1st thread.

I found another link with a 35mm Gracia on ebay France.

http://cgi.ebay.fr/Objectif-GRACIA-35mm-1-2-8-m42-Pentax-Zenith-/230534337726
...

can't wait for the M42 adapter to try these lenses ! cos the one I have is a nikon to EOS...

That would be really nice if these two could be as good as Helios lenses Cool

Stan'


Hi Stan, welcome here (I'm on the same french forum too Wink ). Be careful, the Helios lenses I'm mentioning are Japanese ones, not the well-known russian lenses you may think of. It does not mean they are bad (well, my Helios 28 2.8 is very very soft...), but I want to avoid any confusions


PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

casualcollector wrote:
Very near match to Carenar branded lenses that I have, both of whaich are marked Made In Korea. Is the rear flange attached with three, equally spaced screws?


I'll take a closer look at the rear of the lenses tonight but I remember 3 screws for the 135mm

ylyad wrote:

Hi Stan, welcome here (I'm on the same french forum too Wink ). Be careful, the Helios lenses I'm mentioning are Japanese ones, not the well-known russian lenses you may think of. It does not mean they are bad (well, my Helios 28 2.8 is very very soft...), but I want to avoid any confusions


Ok I'll keep it in mind Wink

I'm just introducing myself to the ML. I already own 3 old nikkor lenses. A good 50mm 1.4 and two zooms worth nothing good.

My adaptor just don't fit as well as it should, the lens swings a bit too much...

I really appreciate de physic contact with the M42 lens, more than W/ the EF of EFS.


PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

maybe I have a clue

http://www.collection-appareils.fr/premier/html/gracia_pc600D.php

This page says Gracia's real name is PREMIER. And also that the camera showns on the page is a crap Laughing


PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stanley wrote:
maybe I have a clue

http://www.collection-appareils.fr/premier/html/gracia_pc600D.php

This page says Gracia's real name is PREMIER. And also that the camera showns on the page is a crap Laughing


Do not make confusion : Premier is one of the most - perhaps the biggest - important sub-contractor for cheap cameras for years (i do know them since 1980)
http://www.premiercamera.co.uk/

ie ; this camera
http://www.premiercamera.co.uk/6332.html
is - same - cmos updated excepted - than 4mp Epson L400 camera .


Following Wikipedia
* Ricoh Caplio RR660 ( = Premier DC-6370 )
* Pentax Optio E20 ( = Premier DC-6371 )
* Traveler DC-8600 ( = Premier DS-8650 )
* Revue DC 80 SZ ( = Premier DS-8650 )
* Premier DS-8330 ( = Minox DC 8111 = Avant S8 = Acer CR-8530 = Rollei dp8300 = Voigtlnder Virtus D8 = Mustek MDC 830Z = Traveler DC-8300 = Revue DC 8000 = Maginon 8300)
* Premier DC-4331 ( = BenQ DC E43 = Minox DC 4211 = Minolta E40 = Rollei Prego dp4200 = Centon DC4s = Voigtlnder Virtus D4 = Maginon Slimline X4)
* Foxconn DS-A650 ( = Minox DC 1022 = Traveler DC-XZ6)



This confirm that Gracia is a distribution name

Olivier wrote:
Here they are :
2.8/135mm


Look also close to the first makinon lenses


PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome here Stan Twisted Evil
Now it's too late. You're definitely caught in MFLenses diseases.
Don't be afraid, we are all mad and we like it. Laughing


PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I knew it was a little risky for me to come here... Very Happy

Well, now, I have to do something for the diaphragm of the 135mm.

I didn't manage to close it, permantely wide open... the 35mm has a toggle switch A/M but I didn't find anything on the 135... no idea ?


PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PBFACTS wrote:

Do not make confusion : Premier is one of the most - perhaps the biggest - important sub-contractor for cheap cameras for years (i do know them since 1980)

This confirm that Gracia is a distribution name

Look also close to the first makinon lenses


Tks PBFACTS.

I had a look at the makinon lenses but I didn't find them similar to these two...

The fact that PREMIER focused on cheap cameras is just too bad Confused

I'll try to take a few shots with the lens against the body without adaptor...


PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is a shot of the rear of both lenses

(35mm under)

so, yes : 3 equally spaced screws



PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What happens with the 135 when you set it to f22 and push the pin on the rear ?


PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Olivier wrote:
What happens with the 135 when you set it to f22 and push the pin on the rear ?


Does that activate the self-destruction mechanism?



I know, I know, I am OT again, I will shut up now.


PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

8310 wrote:
Olivier wrote:
What happens with the 135 when you set it to f22 and push the pin on the rear ?


Does that activate the self-destruction mechanism?

I know, I know, I am OT again, I will shut up now.


Why did you tell him ? Evil or Very Mad


PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Olivier wrote:
8310 wrote:
Olivier wrote:
What happens with the 135 when you set it to f22 and push the pin on the rear ?


Does that activate the self-destruction mechanism?

I know, I know, I am OT again, I will shut up now.


Why did you tell him ? Evil or Very Mad


Laughing Laughing


PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

8310 wrote:
Olivier wrote:
What happens with the 135 when you set it to f22 and push the pin on the rear ?


Does that activate the self-destruction mechanism?



I know, I know, I am OT again, I will shut up now.


Oh my god ! A rabbit get out of the lens ! Shocked

Why does it happen everytime I push the pin ?
What do I do now with all those rabbits ? Do I have to put them back in ?
Laughing

Seriously I already tried it but nothing happened.
I'm not at home right now and can't test it but I'll give it another try back home.


PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I said, nothing happens. I just feel the spring pushing the pin back.

The ring of the diafragm turns smoothly with a sound at every step.

I tried to unscrew the rear with the 3 screws but the precision screwdrivers I have seems not to fit in... is there a trick ?

EDIT
I found out how to unscrew it, there was some glue on it.

After removing the rear rings and lens, the problem appeared to come from the spring that should close the diafragm. There is no more tension on it so the diafragm stand still full open.

That was a pleasant experience, maybe there is a way to find another spring... I'll try something later.


PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, actually the spring was ok. I cleaned the blades and it works perfectly now.

I managed to loose the little ball of the diaphragm ring but I finally found it back...two days later. What a chance ! Shocked

I'm still waiting for the delivery of the EOS/M42 ring... Rolling Eyes


PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those Gracias are exactly the same as my Carenar lenses, both 2.8/135 and 2.8/35 mm. Decent performers, but nothing to write home about Wink

That Carenar 135mm is a pretty odd lens: I can't figure why, but unlike most other 135s, when you extend it with just a small tube - the magnification goes to 1:1 and beyond. Of course the results are extremely poor and contrast loss is horrendous, but I've never seen 135mm lens which performs in a similar way Shocked