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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems cleanable J-9 is not a difficult lens. If you keep in right way this lens , don't need to clean it will not growing.


PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Attila wrote:
Seems cleanable J-9 is not a difficult lens. If you keep in right way this lens , don't need to clean it will not growing.


It may not expand further more, but it will keep eating stuff where it already exists. If it only ate on the coating layer, that is not so bad, but if it attacks the glass, you can throw the lens in the bin. So my suggestion is not to wait and clean the lens soon.


PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Orio wrote:
So my suggestion is not to wait and clean the lens soon.


clean with "what" ?


PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nelson wrote:
Orio wrote:
So my suggestion is not to wait and clean the lens soon.


clean with "what" ?


Attila has the right formula.
I don't do such operations on lenses, when I need to I send them to servicing, they take 40-50 Euros so I find it more convenient than a headache Laughing


PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use 50% ammonia and 50% hidrogen-peroxid this liquid remove all protein successfully. It smelly as well Smile


PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello
I have been soooo busy not much time to look at forum or respond to posts. I did just see this post and want to add two things to stop fungus growing. This will kill it but not remove it. Ok, so put the lens in a zip bag (airtight) and into the freezer. Some types of exotic fungus will survive short freezing. None of the lens destroying fungus will survive a week in the freezer. Also UV is your friend to kill fungus. Freezer and Sunlight. Now some will say oh the freezer will ruin the grease in the helli. Well if in fact that happens it is very repairable. I have never had a problem and have frozen half a dozen lenses over the years. Remember this is a stop growth solution not a remove one.

Idea


PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not a specialist in lens fungus, but if I try hard to bring back my traumatic recollections from high school, I'd say that UV should be a better option than freezing. By freezing, you can kill micro-organisms but not necessarily their germs, while UV kills both.


PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

UV kills fungus that's right. The problem is that you need quite a considerable dosis and the lens elements often prevent UV light from getting into the lens.
To be really on the safe side, you need to disassemble the lens and clean the elements - that is the bad news.

Because sometimes you cannot put two elements apart. Have you ever tried to get in between the two front elements of the Kaleinar 2.8/100? I did and it seems to be impossible without breaking the lens, since these elements seem to be glued together inside a tube. I was able to remove the fungus from this lens (it is not difficult to disassemble and re-assemle it correctly which is an even more important aspect!) apart from the filaments that are visible the internal edge of front element. So I store the lens in a plastic box with dehumidifiying packets and only take it out if I want to use it. And even then I do not carry the lens around in the same bag as my other lenses...
That's OK, it does work, it is just some more hassle than with a clean lens, so I do not use the Kaleinar as often as I would like to, which is a pity for this is such a great piece of glass.


PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps sterilization of the lens is an option... Smile If you want to grow mushrooms, you first have to sterilize all your equipment in a pressure cooker. What would it to do your lens?


PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found fungus close to nuclear reactor so to kill with UV kind of fun. If keep your collection in dry 35-50% humidity environment without caps you will never get fungus. If you have already in this environment it will stop growing.
Fungus can be survive almost everything except mechanical removal.Mechanical removal can be done with any material what is attack perfectly live protein and you remove dead fungus with soft clothes.


PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Described as "dust inside" sold as is for repair


PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Attila wrote:
I use 50% ammonia and 50% hidrogen-peroxid this liquid remove all protein successfully. It smelly as well Smile


Any less hard to get chemical that one can use instead of hidrogen-peroxid? There is afaik, one place in sweden that sell it. And thats 400km away. :p

Or are you guys using some lowpercentage mixture?


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Attila wrote:
I found fungus close to nuclear reactor so to kill with UV kind of fun. If keep your collection in dry 35-50% humidity environment without caps you will never get fungus. If you have already in this environment it will stop growing.
Fungus can be survive almost everything except mechanical removal.Mechanical removal can be done with any material what is attack perfectly live protein and you remove dead fungus with soft clothes.


I guess it would depend on the grade of UV? I think that with UV-C you should be able to kill it? I mean, it could kill people. Very Happy I think UV-C are rather hard and expensive to get though. Wink UV-B is strong enough to damage your skin though. UV-A is nonharmful (except for your eyes perhaps). UV-C I think is used for pools and stuff to kill bacteria etc in water.


PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 3:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

zewrak wrote:
Attila wrote:
I use 50% ammonia and 50% hidrogen-peroxid this liquid remove all protein successfully. It smelly as well Smile


Any less hard to get chemical that one can use instead of hidrogen-peroxid? There is afaik, one place in sweden that sell it. And thats 400km away. :p

Or are you guys using some lowpercentage mixture?


MEK (Methyl Ethyl Ketone) works really well. It is available from paint stores. It is paint remover. It dissolves fungus really well. Just be careful not to get it on paint or plastic, it will dissolve those also.


PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is my Helios auto tele converter 2x that I just got on ebay for 10€.

It seems to have a bad case of fungus Shocked , what do you think? Doesn't seem to had to pic it apart and clean it. I think I'll do the freezer thing first, then pick it apart and clean the lens, sould I think of something special? I want to use this with most of my manual lenses but don`t want to risk geting fungus on the rest.


PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fungus is not spread if you store your lenses right.
You can clean it easily I guess.


PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is condensation stippling - at some time, damp air condensated on the cold lens surface, and redistributed the existing dirt layer into that driplet pattern. The dirt may of course contain fungus, but more often it does not, so it is certainly worth while to make a cleaning attempt.

Sevo


PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cleaned it without any problem, came right off. Put it in the freezer just in case...
Thanks for the help


PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello,

zewrak wrote:
Attila wrote:
I use 50% ammonia and 50% hidrogen-peroxid this liquid remove all protein successfully. It smelly as well Smile


Any less hard to get chemical that one can use instead of hidrogen-peroxid? There is afaik, one place in sweden that sell it. And thats 400km away. :p

Or are you guys using some lowpercentage mixture?


Why don't you give a try to cold cream ? I just cleaned some fungus traces from my Boyer Saphir this way ...

Best regards


PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think fungus a very strong organism hard to kill successfully even if seems not there anymore. Strong chemical made it's body to liquid shape and no chance to survive. I saw fungus in very high radioactivity at Nuclear Power Plant where I did work before.


PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello,

Attila wrote:
I think fungus a very strong organism hard to kill successfully even if seems not there anymore. Strong chemical made it's body to liquid shape and no chance to survive. I saw fungus in very high radioactivity at Nuclear Power Plant where I did work before.


Right ... Maybe i should give my lens a bath of ammonia/hydrogen peroxide, and then clean it again, just to be sure ... Will try this on my Orestor 135, it has some specks on its inner element ...

Cheers


PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think enough to store right in my experience if store right even if it has fungus fungus not growing anymore. Fungus one of people mistake their avoid from fungus like pest , but this is false thinking same like scratches on lenses. In most of cases not impact anything else than silly user brain. At the beginning if I get a fungused lens I did try to remove immediately. Now I have lot more lenses and lot less time , so I put them together a separate dry box where humidity is low around 30% two years left none of them did grow up.


PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Attila wrote:

In most of cases not impact anything else than silly user brain.


Totally agree ... I have used my infected Orestor 135, and the speck of mold in the middle didn't affect IQ ... Nevertheless, the lens came really cheap because when i bought it i let the seller notice the fungus Wink ... And with a bit of luck, the mold will be removed soon Very Happy ...

Cheers


PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing Yes!


PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can buy a zebra CZJ sonnar 180/2,8 that has fungus, but it is filled with fungus. My question is until what amount of fungus can be tolerated so that it is good the lens? How much money would have to offer?

An old seller told me that I must take a lupe and see one thing (eg a pretty woman) thru the lens with fungus. Image that I can see=image in the film (or sensor). Did he try to sell to me a fungus lens? May be.

He said to me that one of the best fungus killer : the present gastric juice in the saliva.

Thanks Rino