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Orio
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 Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:55 pm Post subject: Flektogon 2.8/20 (Melissa on the balcony) |
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Orio wrote:
My copy of Flek 2.8/20 is impressively sharp.
Some justice, after the first horrible copy I got two years ago.
This is melissa on the rear balcony:
It's sharper than my Nikkor-UD 3.5/20, and it wasn't easy.
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Attila
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Attila wrote:
Very nice! I love my Flektogons too.
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estudleon
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estudleon wrote:
Very sharp lens, as you could say, It's a Flek.
Melissa is an excelent model. I saw your pics of her and she always is in an attractive way. Really, a lovely caty.
I have an Flek 20/4 and used it only in B&W, I will try it in colour.
Congratulations for you, good lens is always a cause of enjoyment.
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CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
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Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
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Richard_D
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Richard_D wrote:
Impressive performance. The lens copes well with the high contrast too.
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poilu wrote:
impressive lens!
you have to learn Melissa to look to the lens
what she's dreaming all day? Eat bird?
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Orio
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Orio wrote:
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impressive lens!
you have to learn Melissa to look to the lens
what she's dreaming all day? Eat bird? |
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She lives in the apartment so she is bored.
A little above the balcony, there is the roof, and a continuos landing of birds.
so she is always distracted by them.
But when she does not watch birds, she sleeps, so she would not look better 
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Schnauzer
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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Schnauzer wrote:
That is a really nice copy that you have.
Melissa is getting quite famous.
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Laurence
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Laurence wrote:
Melissa is the Cat's Meow!
Here is another Flektogon image, this one from my Flek 20/4.
An entirely different subject, but again the handling of contrast is phenomenal with this lens. The light values run the gamut, from almost blown-out white to the very blackness of the hole in the tree. This can be challenging in the rain forest, especially when there is strong sunshine. The Flek handles it with ease!  What a nice tool.
The Flektogon seems to be able to handle this better than other lenses that I use. The only "issue" I have had with the Flek is that I must take care to avoid flare.
Also, the sharpness is very good, take a look at the fern fronds and the hemlock branch tips.
This is an unretouched image; only the size was changed. With some minor Unsharp Mask and possibly some Curves, this image would show even more clarity.
In looking at Melissa's image, I see the same powerful handling of contrasts. 
Queets Valley Hemlock Group
Flek 20/4
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Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
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Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
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Attila
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Attila wrote:
Very nice Larry!
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estudleon
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estudleon wrote:
Laurence
I like your pic so much
What F/ did you use ? Handheld? ISO? Thanks.
Show us more pics.
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Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
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Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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Orio
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Orio wrote:
A monster trunk, reminds me of those old tales where in the woods, a giant is born (or found)
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Ingo
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Ingo wrote:
I like this type of Flek 20 shots.
Ingo
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Laurence
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Laurence wrote:
Ingo, I do too! Any more Flek shots in your arsenal? 
Orio, I've gone back and looked at your image, and am WOWED by the shadow detail! Is this straight off the lens? Amazing!
Estudleon: I think this was at f:8, to capture depth of field. Actually the Flek has LONG depth of field even at f:5.6 or f:4. But I stopped down to make sure, since it was available to use for this image.
Image was handheld, although most of my images that day were on tripod.
I took a LOT of Flek 20/4 images in the rain forest yesterday and the day before...I'll start a separate thread so as not to clutter up this thread too much. By the way, it was 84 degrees in the rain forest valley yesterday - fairly uncommon temperature.
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Yashica Mat 124 w/ Yashinon 80/3.5,
CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
Pentax 645,
Flek 50,
Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
Tamron Adaptall 28/2.5
Tamron Adaptall SP 300/2.8 LD (IF)
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Orio
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Orio wrote:
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Orio, I've gone back and looked at your image, and am WOWED by the shadow detail! Is this straight off the lens? Amazing!
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It has been a very bright day, and the walls and even floor (see reddish cast on the wall at the back of the cat) reflected a lof of sunlight. In this conditions, taking good shadows photos is easy
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Ingo
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Ingo wrote:
| Laurence wrote: |
Ingo, I do too! Any more Flek shots in your arsenal?
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OK, two shots more. Both @ f2.8. No post processing. The sharpness and contrast of this lens is impressive.
Ingo
@ f2.8 backlight
fullsize: http://www.pbase.com/inghar/image/99978298/original
@f2.8 bokeh
fullsize: http://www.pbase.com/inghar/image/99534534/original
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KhanX wrote:
Perfect lens.
I've Flextogon 4/20 but the sharpness is less than your lens. 
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estudleon
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estudleon wrote:
I saw pics of both F/4 and 2,8, and it seem to me that the 2,8 is
better in the borders, but at the center I think that the F/4 may be better.
Of course I think in this way based in the pics that I saw in the forum - or
internet - I don't see pics in the real word take with the F/2,8.
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CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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Orio
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
The 2.8 is sharper
The 4 has ideal control of distortion so it's better for architecture.
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ChrisLilley
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ChrisLilley wrote:
| Ingo wrote: |
I like this type of Flek 20 shots.
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Whats the close-focus distance on these lenses (20mm f/2.8 and 20mm f/4)?
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Camera: Nikon D90, D40, DK-21M eyepiece, ML-3 remote MF lenses: Nikkor 20mm f/4 K, AI'ed | N.K. Nikkor-N 24mm f/2.8 | Nikkor-N.C 24mm f/2.8 | Nikkor 28mm f/2.8 AiS late model | Арсенал (Arsenal) Мир-24Н (Mir-24N) 35mm f/2 | Cosina Voigtländer Ultron SL II 40mm f/2.0 | Micro-Nikkor 55mm f/2.8 AiS | Zoom-Nikkor 80-200 f/4.5 Ai | ЛЗОС (LZOS) Юпитер-9 (Jupiter-9) 85mm f/2 | Cosina Voigtländer APO-Lanthar 90mm f/3.5 SL | Nikkor-P 105mm f/2.5 pre-Ai, Ai'ed | Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/4 | Schneider Kreuznach Componon 105mm f/5.6 | Nikkor 135mm f/2.8, Ai'ed 1976 model | Nikkor 180mm f/2.8 ED AiS | Арсенал (Arsenal) ТЕЛЕАР-Н (Telear-n) 200mm f/3.5 | Nikkor 300 mm f/4.5 Ai (full equipment list) |
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bob955i
Joined: 15 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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bob955i wrote:
In practice about 3" - 4" for the 2.8/20 and 2" - 3" for the 4/20.
They focus closer than the scale indicates. |
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estudleon
Joined: 15 May 2008
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Location: Argentina
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estudleon wrote:
[quote="Orio"]The 2.8 is sharper
The 4 has ideal control of distortion so it's better for architecture.[/quote]
What definitive you are, Orio!!
You have experienced with fleks, I know that. But it's prossible that a Good copy of the F/4 can be as sharp as the 2,8, or more. I heared some users said that. Specially at F/11, where they found the better rendition of the lens F/4
The real problem, for me, is that It can be very difficult to generalize, and I assume that I did it, when the copies of both lens vary so much from one to others. 
I had one F/4 and today i bought another F/4. At F/8 and 11 it seem to be OK. I will tray. I will send the test.
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Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007
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Location: West Emilia
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
| estudleon wrote: |
| Orio wrote: |
The 2.8 is sharper
The 4 has ideal control of distortion so it's better for architecture. |
What definitive you are, Orio!!
You have experienced with fleks, I know that. But it's prossible that a Good copy of the F/4 can be as sharp as the 2,8, or more. I heared some users said that. Specially at F/11, where they found the better rendition of the lens F/4 |
Everything is possible
I have 5 Flek 4/20 and have had two Flek 2.8/20 and my experience says what is quoted above.
If I had to choose between the two only one lens, I would take a 4/20, because for me the precision of lines is a better feature in a superwide than the sharpness. If I want to see details of an objects I use a tele lens on it, not a superwide  From a superwide I want that it shows me the most possible correct world.
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Katastrofo
Joined: 26 Feb 2007
Posts: 10410
Location: USA
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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Katastrofo wrote:
I wish I hadn't clicked on this thread...why do I do this to myself!
Beautiful shots, all! |
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Laurence
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
Posts: 4813
Location: Western Washington State
Expire: 2016-06-19
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Laurence wrote:
Although it's extraordinarily difficult to compare the sharpness of your Melissa shot to my Rain Forest shot, Orio, I think that your Melissa shot with the 2.8 Flektogon appears to be sharper. Of course, this doesn't take into account a bunch of variables which we have no control over.
I am going to try to round up my three-legged cat (Jack) and make him pose for me!
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Demur,—you ’re straightway dangerous,
And handled with a chain.
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Cameras and Lenses in Use:
Yashica Mat 124 w/ Yashinon 80/3.5,
CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
Pentax 645,
Flek 50,
Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
Tamron Adaptall 28/2.5
Tamron Adaptall SP 300/2.8 LD (IF)
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