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 Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 6:27 pm Post subject: First shots with the Voigtlander Vitoret |
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Jesito wrote:
Do you remember the thread where I bought a Voigtlander Vitoret by 1€ because the shutter was stuck?. At that time I was able of fixing it, but I didn't shot any picture with that camera. (http://forum.mflenses.com/fixing-a-voigtlaender-vitoret-d-t5170.html).
So it has been time of rolling my first one, and here you have the results...
The roll is a cheap 200 ISO Schlecker, 12 shots (0,98€). Scanning is the cheap one ("standard", the "pro" is more expensive).
The Lanthar lens is considered not very good. Voigtlander camera fans always look for models sporting a Skopar lens.
But I've found this Lanthar very nice. No vignetting (as in the Chinon 35EE), reasonable colour rendering. Not as bad as I was expecting... (One of the reasons for delaying the test).
Since the meter doesn't work, I've shot all the pictures based on the F16/Sunny rule. Since it has no rangefinder, also estimated the distance...
#1 Sharpness and blue rendering much better than expected.
#2 Nice sea greens.
#3 Lens distortion is reasonable also.
#4 A "close focus" test. The closest distance is around one meter...
#5 Flare only with direct sunlight on the lens:
(the full roll can be seen at the gallery: http://www.mflenses.com/gallery/v/mfl_club_members/jesito/rangefinders/voigtvitoret/ )
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Attila wrote:
 Very nice samples!
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
very nice colors, superb results Jes!
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Katastrofo wrote:
Agree, very nice results, Jes! |
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Jesito
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Jesito wrote:
Thanks, Attila, Poilu and Bill!
Anyway the shutter is quite hard to press, so I'm afraid the Vitoret saga doesn't end here 
Jes.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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Sevo wrote:
The focus point seems slightly too close on all pictures - probably the scale is slightly off and you can't reach infinity. But that is easily adjustable, and then the results should be even better.
Lanthar was the Voigtländer name for all lenses containing rare earth elements - from cheap lenses to the very expensive Apo Lanthar. The Color Lanthar on the Vitoret is one of the former, a budget lens with special glass. As a triplet, it is not fully corrected for coma when fully open, but its three glass construction gives it color correction way beyond the average Cooke triplet, and stopped down it is at least up to the Tessar-type Skopar.
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Jesito wrote:
| Sevo wrote: |
The focus point seems slightly too close on all pictures - probably the scale is slightly off and you can't reach infinity. But that is easily adjustable, and then the results should be even better.
Lanthar was the Voigtländer name for all lenses containing rare earth elements - from cheap lenses to the very expensive Apo Lanthar. The Color Lanthar on the Vitoret is one of the former, a budget lens with special glass. As a triplet, it is not fully corrected for coma when fully open, but its three glass construction gives it color correction way beyond the average Cooke triplet, and stopped down it is at least up to the Tessar-type Skopar.
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Thanks, Sevo for your comments and the interesting information.
I've yet to figure out how to adjust that
Although I've been able of fixing some cameras, I've tried a very few times to fix optics, (I feel is beyond my capabilities).
Besides this, I've been unable to find any service manual for the Voigtlanders neither for the Lanthars, so everything is trial-and-error...
Hopefully, I've got a Vitoret D plenty of fungus, so I won't feel too bad if I make some mistake
Jes.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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Sevo wrote:
Haven't ever taken a Lanthar Vitoret apart, but other lenses on the Vitoret are front-focusing, and the Lanthar on folders is front-focusing as well, so it would be very surprising if it weren't the same.
If so, you will simply have to remove the focus ring (fixed with a couple of tiny grub screws - loosen them, but don't remove them, or you'll have a hard time putting them in again), focus the front element on some far object (with a bit of ground glass or transparent foil - like a slide sleeve - on the film plane) and replace and fix the focus ring at its infinity setting.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
I don't know this camera, the results seem quite good.
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Jesito
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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Jesito wrote:
| Sevo wrote: |
Haven't ever taken a Lanthar Vitoret apart, but other lenses on the Vitoret are front-focusing, and the Lanthar on folders is front-focusing as well, so it would be very surprising if it weren't the same.
If so, you will simply have to remove the focus ring (fixed with a couple of tiny grub screws - loosen them, but don't remove them, or you'll have a hard time putting them in again), focus the front element on some far object (with a bit of ground glass or transparent foil - like a slide sleeve - on the film plane) and replace and fix the focus ring at its infinity setting.
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Thanks Sevo!. I'll try it
Jes.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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Jesito wrote:
| Orio wrote: |
| I don't know this camera, the results seem quite good. |
Hi Orio,
Much better than expected... Used to the Reflex quality, the small film compacts or rangefinders seemed to me low profile. But it seem not to be so..
I've to compare Voigtlanders to Konica C35...
There may be some surprises.
Jes.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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maddog10 wrote:
| Jesito wrote: |
| Anyway the shutter is quite hard to press, so I'm afraid the Vitoret saga doesn't end here |
I suspect a thread titled 'Disassembly of the Vitoret' quickly followed by 'Assembly of the Vitoret'
Nice samples Jes, its amazing what the little cameras can do!
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
These look very promising for a first roll Jes.
I bet your going to like this cam as things progress.
It has a really cool name also "Vitoret" I like to say it like with a very nasal french ascent. 
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| Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 12:42 am Post subject: |
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Jesito wrote:
| maddog10 wrote: |
| Jesito wrote: |
| Anyway the shutter is quite hard to press, so I'm afraid the Vitoret saga doesn't end here |
I suspect a thread titled 'Disassembly of the Vitoret' quickly followed by 'Assembly of the Vitoret'
Nice samples Jes, its amazing what the little cameras can do! |
Right, Mike!. Just the second round...
Jes.
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DSLR SIGMA SD9 & SD14, EOS 5D, Sony A700 and NEXF3, Oly E-330, E-400, E-450, E-1
TLR/6x6/645 YashicaMat, Petri 6x45, Nettar, Franka Solida, Brilliant
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Jesito
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| Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 12:45 am Post subject: |
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Jesito wrote:
| F16SUNSHINE wrote: |
These look very promising for a first roll Jes.
I bet your going to like this cam as things progress.
It has a really cool name also "Vitoret" I like to say it like with a very nasal french ascent. |
Thanks, Andy! It has been unvaluable the use of the F16Sunshine rule (because the faulty lightmeter).
It has a big family... I've been collecting Vitorets and Vitos for some time, now they have to go into real production...
Specially the Vitoret DR and LR that sport a better Prontor shutter and a Rangefinder.
More to come.
Jes.
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Fixed Industar-50, , Tamron 24mm, Tamron 135mm, Sands Hunter 135mm, Pancolar 50mm, Volna-3, many Exakta lenses
DSLR SIGMA SD9 & SD14, EOS 5D, Sony A700 and NEXF3, Oly E-330, E-400, E-450, E-1
TLR/6x6/645 YashicaMat, Petri 6x45, Nettar, Franka Solida, Brilliant
SLR Minolta X300, Fuji STX II, Praktica VLC3, Pentax P30t, EXA500, EXA 1A, Spotmatic(2), Chinon CM-4S, Ricoh, Contax, Konica TC-X , Minolta 5000, 7000i, 3Sxi, EOS 500 and CX
Rangefinders Chinon 35EE, Konica C35 auto, Canonet 28, Yashica Lynx, FED-2, Yashica electro 35, Argus C3 & C4, Regula Cita III, Voigtlander Vitoret (many), Welta Welti-I, Kodak Signette 35, Zorki-4, Bessa-R & L, Minolta Weathermatic, olympus XA2
Compact Film Konica C35V, Voigtlander Vitorets, Canon Prima Super 105, Olympus XA2 and XA3
Compact Digital Olympus C-5050, Aiptek Slim 3000, Canon Powershot A540, Nikon 5200, SIGMA DP1s, Polaroid X530, IXUS55, Kodak 6490, Powershot G9 and G10
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