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Pancolart
 Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 3689 Location: Slovenia, EU
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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 9:10 pm Post subject: First lens to challenge 2.4/35mm Flektogon |
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Pancolart wrote:
I've tested many (though not in heavy price league) wide angle 28mm-35mm lenses but have never found any that would post a serious threat to Zeiss Flektogon 2.4/35mm for short distance near macro usage and possibly low light wide-open.
This is first situation i found similar joy of use and confidence in results: VIVITAR Series 1 1.9/28mm, converted from CANON FD bayonet to M42. All shots wide open, normal tungsten 150 Watt (in some shots additional one) light and wide-open. Strong colorful reflections also due to my daughter's green Pooh chair. Pentax K10D in Samsung clothing.
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no-X
 Joined: 19 Jul 2008 Posts: 2499 Location: Budejky, Czech Republic
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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
Yes, the lens has floating optical design, which was optimized for close-focusing performance. It's the sharpest M42 28mm lens I have ever tried. Even for landscapes shooting it provides sharper images at f/2.8 than cheap lenses at f/5.6. The only weak point is lateral CA, which is similar or slightly higher than on other good 28mm lenses. Anyway, it's hard to find a better performer and your pictures prove it  _________________ (almost) complete list of Helios lenses |
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aleksanderpolo
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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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aleksanderpolo wrote:
I have the Vivitar 28/2 (Komine) close focusing, I wonder how the 28/1.9 compare, do you have both of them? Who made the 28/1.9, BTW? _________________ Panny GF1
Looking for: More articles to read
Current lens:
m4/3: 20/1.7; 14-45/3.5-5.6
C/Y: CZ 28/2.8; CZ 35/2.8; CZ 50/1.4
G: 45/2; 90/2.8
M: CV 35/1.4
Rollei: 50/1.8
m42: S-M-C Tak 50/1.4, Helios 44-2
F: AI 28/2; AIS 35/2; AIS 50/1.4; E 50/1.8
FL: 55/1.2
FD: Vivitar(Komine CF) 28/2; Kiron 28/2; nFD 50/1.4; nFD 35-105/3.5-4.5
AR: 40/1.8; 50/1.4; Adaptall 35-80/2.8-3.5
MD: Vivitar(Kiron) 24/2; MD 50/1.4
OM: 21/3.5; 24/2.8; 50/1.4; 135/3.5 |
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Pancolart
 Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 3689 Location: Slovenia, EU
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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
Thank you no-X. Aleksanderpolo: In fact i also have 2/28mm Komine and Kiron versions though Minolta mount. They will become PK soon and i will be able to make comparison.
M42.artlimited.net says of Vivitar VMC 1.9/28mm: "This lens was designed by E. Betensky of Opcon Associates (Stamford, Connecticut) and built by Tokina". _________________ ---------------------------------
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Anu
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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:33 am Post subject: |
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Anu wrote:
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Yes, the lens has floating optical design, which was optimized for close-focusing performance. It's the sharpest M42 28mm lens I have ever tried. Even for landscapes shooting it provides sharper images at f/2.8 than cheap lenses at f/5.6. The only weak point is lateral CA, which is similar or slightly higher than on other good 28mm lenses. Anyway, it's hard to find a better performer and your pictures prove it  |
One good thing about photographing with digital gear is that lateral CA can be easily fixed in post processing - many old lenese are actually better today than they ever were in the film era!
Anyhow, regarding this lens, I am not sure I like the bokeh rendering. |
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dakoo
 Joined: 08 Mar 2008 Posts: 608
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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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dakoo wrote:
nice samples, would be great to see more maybe outdoors too. _________________ Yashica ML 2.4/24, ML 2.4./28,
Zeiss Distagon 35/1.4, Planer 1.4/50, Planer 1.7/50,
SMC Tak 1.4/50,Tessar 2.8/50, Jupiter2/85
CZJ 4/135; Pentacon 4/200
Canon Tns 24/3.5
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woodrim
 Joined: 14 Jan 2010 Posts: 4066 Location: Charleston
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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
Was it difficult converting from a Canon mount? _________________ Regards,
Woodrim |
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woodrim
 Joined: 14 Jan 2010 Posts: 4066 Location: Charleston
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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
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| One good thing about photographing with digital gear is that lateral CA can be easily fixed in post processing - many old lenese are actually better today than they ever were in the film era! |
Anu: Can you share your method for CA removal? _________________ Regards,
Woodrim |
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fish4570
 Joined: 06 Jan 2010 Posts: 4565 Location: At the confluence of the Locust Fork of the Warrior River and Black Creek, Alabama
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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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fish4570 wrote:
that's a buster of a special-purpose lens ... _________________ Paul
I chase Light
http://blackcreekjournal.blogspot.com/ |
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egidio
 Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 225 Location: slovenia
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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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egidio wrote:
nice! love that sharpness in bokeh it really gives a character _________________ I use: Flektogon 2.8/20, Flektogon 2.8/35, planar 50mm/1.4, Takumar 1.4/50mm, Takumar 1.9/85, MIR 24H, Mir1v, Industar-50-2, Helios-44-2, Pentacon 2.8/135, cyclop 85 1.5 |
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Pancolart
 Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 3689 Location: Slovenia, EU
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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
| dakoo wrote: |
| nice samples, would be great to see more maybe outdoors too. |
Thank's. Soon i hope. Woodrim: Everything that could be removed was removed. Aperture is now unpermanently fixed. I show photos of barebone lens and with my new clothing from different remains. Some old YS mount fit perfectly from the back (you can see glue leftovers from previous attempts). There is firm infinity that would most probably work on Nikon without extra lens. Relayer: great comparison there, stronger contrast with Komine, i wonder what the speed difference is if any...
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dakoo
 Joined: 08 Mar 2008 Posts: 608
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Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 6:54 am Post subject: |
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dakoo wrote:
FD->M42 ? So can this be done to any FD lense ? _________________ Yashica ML 2.4/24, ML 2.4./28,
Zeiss Distagon 35/1.4, Planer 1.4/50, Planer 1.7/50,
SMC Tak 1.4/50,Tessar 2.8/50, Jupiter2/85
CZJ 4/135; Pentacon 4/200
Canon Tns 24/3.5
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Anu
 Joined: 14 Apr 2009 Posts: 891
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Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 8:15 am Post subject: |
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Anu wrote:
| woodrim wrote: |
| Anu wrote: |
| One good thing about photographing with digital gear is that lateral CA can be easily fixed in post processing - many old lenese are actually better today than they ever were in the film era! |
Anu: Can you share your method for CA removal? |
Most raw-converters include an option for CA removal.
I use Lightroom 1.41 - first I disable sharpening and noise reduction, then I zoom in to 300% and adjust the CA-correction sliders (with the help of the ALT-key pressed down).
Axial CA correction is different and I am not sure there are any tools available for limiting it's damages - DXO might have something in their raw-converter. I know that there is a paper in the net describing a method for limited correction, but AFAIK there are no public implementations of it available. |
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Excalibur
 Joined: 19 Jul 2009 Posts: 5041 Location: UK
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Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 8:51 am Post subject: |
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Excalibur wrote:
***First lens to challenge 2.4/35mm Flektogon***
Erm no supporters of Canon FD 35mm f2.8 and F2................................... _________________ Canon A1, AV1, T70 & T90, EOS 300 and EOS300v, Chinon CE and CP-7M. Contax 139, Fuji STX-2, Konica Autoreflex TC, FS-1, FT-1, Minolta X-700, X-300, XD-11, SRT101b, Nikon EM, FM, F4, F90X, Olympus OM2, Pentax S3, Spotmatic, Pentax ME super, Praktica TL 5B, & BC1, , Ricoh KR10super, Yashica T5D, Bronica Etrs, Mamiya RB67 pro AND drum roll:- a Sony Nex 3
.........past gear Tele Rolleiflex and Rollei SL66.
Many lenses from good to excellent. |
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Anu
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Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 10:38 am Post subject: |
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Anu wrote:
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***First lens to challenge 2.4/35mm Flektogon***
Erm no supporters of Canon FD 35mm f2.8 and F2................................... |
Isn't their minimum focusing distance in the 30-35 cm neighbourhood? |
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Excalibur
 Joined: 19 Jul 2009 Posts: 5041 Location: UK
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Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:33 am Post subject: |
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Excalibur wrote:
| Anu wrote: |
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***First lens to challenge 2.4/35mm Flektogon***
Erm no supporters of Canon FD 35mm f2.8 and F2................................... |
Isn't their minimum focusing distance in the 30-35 cm neighbourhood? |
Well it's in this link somewhere, but my 35mm f2.8 focuses down to about 16cm to front of lens, or about 19.5cm to the film plane.
http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/canon/fdresources/fdlenses/35mm.htm
They go for about £15-£25 on ebay and are a great bang for buck.
New FD 35mm f/2.8 Lens
The most popular lens at 35mm focal length and also the most economical. As a result of holding the lens speed at f/2.8, the overall length of this lens is only 40mm and its weight of 165 grams makes it the lightest lens in the system. As for the optical features of this lens, the concave element of the front group is of meniscus shape with a strong curvature. _________________ Canon A1, AV1, T70 & T90, EOS 300 and EOS300v, Chinon CE and CP-7M. Contax 139, Fuji STX-2, Konica Autoreflex TC, FS-1, FT-1, Minolta X-700, X-300, XD-11, SRT101b, Nikon EM, FM, F4, F90X, Olympus OM2, Pentax S3, Spotmatic, Pentax ME super, Praktica TL 5B, & BC1, , Ricoh KR10super, Yashica T5D, Bronica Etrs, Mamiya RB67 pro AND drum roll:- a Sony Nex 3
.........past gear Tele Rolleiflex and Rollei SL66.
Many lenses from good to excellent. |
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Anu
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Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:56 am Post subject: |
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Anu wrote:
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| Anu wrote: |
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***First lens to challenge 2.4/35mm Flektogon***
Erm no supporters of Canon FD 35mm f2.8 and F2................................... |
Isn't their minimum focusing distance in the 30-35 cm neighbourhood? |
Well it's in this link somewhere, but my 35mm f2.8 focuses down to about 16cm to front of lens, or about 19.5cm to the film plane.
http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/canon/fdresources/fdlenses/35mm.htm
They go for about £15-£25 on ebay and are a great bang for buck.
New FD 35mm f/2.8 Lens
The most popular lens at 35mm focal length and also the most economical. As a result of holding the lens speed at f/2.8, the overall length of this lens is only 40mm and its weight of 165 grams makes it the lightest lens in the system. As for the optical features of this lens, the concave element of the front group is of meniscus shape with a strong curvature. |
I looked at the same page when I made the comment, thus the 30-35cm numbers. That's quite a bit more than the under 20cm of CZJ...
Your numbers of your lens must be a bit off as if your 35/2.8 focuses about 16cm in front of the lens, and the sensor/film is about 4 cm behind the last element of the objective which also is a few centimeters thick, surely the total is more than 19.5 cm... |
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Excalibur
 Joined: 19 Jul 2009 Posts: 5041 Location: UK
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Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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Excalibur wrote:
**Your numbers of your lens must be a bit off as if your 35/2.8 focuses about 16cm in front of the lens, and the sensor/film is about 4 cm behind the last element of the objective which also is a few centimeters thick, surely the total is more than 19.5 cm...**
You are correct and I'm wrong......I still think in inches and the film plane is about 3.5 inches (not 3.5cm) from front of lens, which is about 9cms..so focus of subject to film plane symbol will be about 25cms _________________ Canon A1, AV1, T70 & T90, EOS 300 and EOS300v, Chinon CE and CP-7M. Contax 139, Fuji STX-2, Konica Autoreflex TC, FS-1, FT-1, Minolta X-700, X-300, XD-11, SRT101b, Nikon EM, FM, F4, F90X, Olympus OM2, Pentax S3, Spotmatic, Pentax ME super, Praktica TL 5B, & BC1, , Ricoh KR10super, Yashica T5D, Bronica Etrs, Mamiya RB67 pro AND drum roll:- a Sony Nex 3
.........past gear Tele Rolleiflex and Rollei SL66.
Many lenses from good to excellent. |
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folderholder
 Joined: 24 Jan 2010 Posts: 102 Location: California
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Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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folderholder wrote:
[quote="dakoo"]FD->M42 ? So can this be done to any FD lense ?[/quote]
I have an older but like-new 500mm Sears mirror lens that I think was made by Tokina. It came with a Canon FD mount. I unscrewed the FD mount and in its place glued a 42mm-58mm step-up ring. Found the glue at the hardware store- it is supposed to bind to metal. Let it dry overnight. I then connected that to a standard 42mm Screw thread-EOS lens adapter. The lens now focuses to infinity on my 7D and is a great lightweight long lens in my pack. _________________ Best wishes,
Peter
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no-X
 Joined: 19 Jul 2008 Posts: 2499 Location: Budejky, Czech Republic
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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:55 am Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
I found patent of this lens:
http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=NPU6AAAAEBAJ
It shows 8 different lens diagrams. The 28/1.9 has 3 elements in front group, so fig.10 is unlikely. It seems, that the 28/1.9 has 6 elements in the rear group and only two of them are cemented, so fig.1, 2 and 3 are unlikely, too. Front element is curved, so fig.6 and 9 are out of game... Fig.8 shows f/2.0 design. The last one - likely the 28/1.9 Vivitar - is fig.7:
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Pancolart
 Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 3689 Location: Slovenia, EU
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Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:30 am Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
Taken outside. Wide-open, very bad cloudy light. I couldn't pick WB right. This lens if very fast - camera went up to 1/3500s on 200 ISO. I must compare with other Komine, Kiron 2/28mm soon.
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woodrim
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woodrim wrote:
In the usual situations where it would occur, is the purple fringing at fully open very bad with this Series 1 lens? I find it to be quite bad with the 200mm. _________________ Regards,
Woodrim |
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Pancolart
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Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
Another contender: Enna München 4/24mm. I am very pleased with results and short focusing distance really helps when shooting smaller objects. Multicoated version a bit better. And do check if all your elements are clean since this baby is prone to fogging due to plastic Ennalyt chassis (some lucky guys have metal version but not me). _________________ ---------------------------------
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estudleon
 Joined: 15 May 2008 Posts: 3791 Location: Argentina
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Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
The enna is one of the brand which more different commentaries have had.
I read and heard a lot of OK, so-so, poor.
Nice to see the images taklen with the 24 enna
Rino. _________________ Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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Excalibur
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Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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Excalibur wrote:
| Anu wrote: |
| Excalibur wrote: |
***First lens to challenge 2.4/35mm Flektogon***
Erm no supporters of Canon FD 35mm f2.8 and F2................................... |
Isn't their minimum focusing distance in the 30-35 cm neighbourhood? |
Well my 35mm f2.8 is appx 27cm by a quick measurement from the film plane. _________________ Canon A1, AV1, T70 & T90, EOS 300 and EOS300v, Chinon CE and CP-7M. Contax 139, Fuji STX-2, Konica Autoreflex TC, FS-1, FT-1, Minolta X-700, X-300, XD-11, SRT101b, Nikon EM, FM, F4, F90X, Olympus OM2, Pentax S3, Spotmatic, Pentax ME super, Praktica TL 5B, & BC1, , Ricoh KR10super, Yashica T5D, Bronica Etrs, Mamiya RB67 pro AND drum roll:- a Sony Nex 3
.........past gear Tele Rolleiflex and Rollei SL66.
Many lenses from good to excellent. |
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