Home

Please support mflenses.com if you need any graphic related work order it from us, click on above banner to order!

SearchSearch MemberlistMemberlist RegisterRegister ProfileProfile Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages Log inLog in

First lens to challenge 2.4/35mm Flektogon
View previous topic :: View next topic  


PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 9:10 pm    Post subject: First lens to challenge 2.4/35mm Flektogon Reply with quote

I've tested many (though not in heavy price league) wide angle 28mm-35mm lenses but have never found any that would post a serious threat to Zeiss Flektogon 2.4/35mm for short distance near macro usage and possibly low light wide-open.

This is first situation i found similar joy of use and confidence in results: VIVITAR Series 1 1.9/28mm, converted from CANON FD bayonet to M42. All shots wide open, normal tungsten 150 Watt (in some shots additional one) light and wide-open. Strong colorful reflections also due to my daughter's green Pooh chair. Pentax K10D in Samsung clothing.












PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, the lens has floating optical design, which was optimized for close-focusing performance. It's the sharpest M42 28mm lens I have ever tried. Even for landscapes shooting it provides sharper images at f/2.8 than cheap lenses at f/5.6. The only weak point is lateral CA, which is similar or slightly higher than on other good 28mm lenses. Anyway, it's hard to find a better performer and your pictures prove it Smile


PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have the Vivitar 28/2 (Komine) close focusing, I wonder how the 28/1.9 compare, do you have both of them? Who made the 28/1.9, BTW?


PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you no-X. Aleksanderpolo: In fact i also have 2/28mm Komine and Kiron versions though Minolta mount. They will become PK soon and i will be able to make comparison.

M42.artlimited.net says of Vivitar VMC 1.9/28mm: "This lens was designed by E. Betensky of Opcon Associates (Stamford, Connecticut) and built by Tokina".


PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

no-X wrote:
Yes, the lens has floating optical design, which was optimized for close-focusing performance. It's the sharpest M42 28mm lens I have ever tried. Even for landscapes shooting it provides sharper images at f/2.8 than cheap lenses at f/5.6. The only weak point is lateral CA, which is similar or slightly higher than on other good 28mm lenses. Anyway, it's hard to find a better performer and your pictures prove it Smile


One good thing about photographing with digital gear is that lateral CA can be easily fixed in post processing - many old lenese are actually better today than they ever were in the film era!

Anyhow, regarding this lens, I am not sure I like the bokeh rendering.


PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nice samples, would be great to see more maybe outdoors too.


PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was it difficult converting from a Canon mount?


PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anu wrote:
One good thing about photographing with digital gear is that lateral CA can be easily fixed in post processing - many old lenese are actually better today than they ever were in the film era!


Anu: Can you share your method for CA removal?


PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

that's a buster of a special-purpose lens ...


PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nice! love that sharpness in bokeh it really gives a character


PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dakoo wrote:
nice samples, would be great to see more maybe outdoors too.
Thank's. Soon i hope. Woodrim: Everything that could be removed was removed. Aperture is now unpermanently fixed. I show photos of barebone lens and with my new clothing from different remains. Some old YS mount fit perfectly from the back (you can see glue leftovers from previous attempts). There is firm infinity that would most probably work on Nikon without extra lens. Relayer: great comparison there, stronger contrast with Komine, i wonder what the speed difference is if any...









PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FD->M42 ? So can this be done to any FD lense ?


PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

woodrim wrote:
Anu wrote:
One good thing about photographing with digital gear is that lateral CA can be easily fixed in post processing - many old lenese are actually better today than they ever were in the film era!


Anu: Can you share your method for CA removal?


Most raw-converters include an option for CA removal.

I use Lightroom 1.41 - first I disable sharpening and noise reduction, then I zoom in to 300% and adjust the CA-correction sliders (with the help of the ALT-key pressed down).

Axial CA correction is different and I am not sure there are any tools available for limiting it's damages - DXO might have something in their raw-converter. I know that there is a paper in the net describing a method for limited correction, but AFAIK there are no public implementations of it available.


PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

***First lens to challenge 2.4/35mm Flektogon***

Erm no supporters of Canon FD 35mm f2.8 and F2...................................


PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excalibur wrote:
***First lens to challenge 2.4/35mm Flektogon***

Erm no supporters of Canon FD 35mm f2.8 and F2...................................


Isn't their minimum focusing distance in the 30-35 cm neighbourhood?


PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anu wrote:
Excalibur wrote:
***First lens to challenge 2.4/35mm Flektogon***

Erm no supporters of Canon FD 35mm f2.8 and F2...................................


Isn't their minimum focusing distance in the 30-35 cm neighbourhood?



Well it's in this link somewhere, but my 35mm f2.8 focuses down to about 16cm to front of lens, or about 19.5cm to the film plane.
http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/canon/fdresources/fdlenses/35mm.htm
They go for about £15-£25 on ebay and are a great bang for buck.

New FD 35mm f/2.8 Lens
The most popular lens at 35mm focal length and also the most economical. As a result of holding the lens speed at f/2.8, the overall length of this lens is only 40mm and its weight of 165 grams makes it the lightest lens in the system. As for the optical features of this lens, the concave element of the front group is of meniscus shape with a strong curvature.


PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excalibur wrote:
Anu wrote:
Excalibur wrote:
***First lens to challenge 2.4/35mm Flektogon***

Erm no supporters of Canon FD 35mm f2.8 and F2...................................


Isn't their minimum focusing distance in the 30-35 cm neighbourhood?



Well it's in this link somewhere, but my 35mm f2.8 focuses down to about 16cm to front of lens, or about 19.5cm to the film plane.
http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/canon/fdresources/fdlenses/35mm.htm
They go for about £15-£25 on ebay and are a great bang for buck.

New FD 35mm f/2.8 Lens
The most popular lens at 35mm focal length and also the most economical. As a result of holding the lens speed at f/2.8, the overall length of this lens is only 40mm and its weight of 165 grams makes it the lightest lens in the system. As for the optical features of this lens, the concave element of the front group is of meniscus shape with a strong curvature.


I looked at the same page when I made the comment, thus the 30-35cm numbers. That's quite a bit more than the under 20cm of CZJ...

Your numbers of your lens must be a bit off as if your 35/2.8 focuses about 16cm in front of the lens, and the sensor/film is about 4 cm behind the last element of the objective which also is a few centimeters thick, surely the total is more than 19.5 cm...


PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

**Your numbers of your lens must be a bit off as if your 35/2.8 focuses about 16cm in front of the lens, and the sensor/film is about 4 cm behind the last element of the objective which also is a few centimeters thick, surely the total is more than 19.5 cm...**

You are correct and I'm wrong......I still think in inches and the film plane is about 3.5 inches (not 3.5cm) from front of lens, which is about 9cms..so focus of subject to film plane symbol will be about 25cms


PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="dakoo"]FD->M42 ? So can this be done to any FD lense ?[/quote]

I have an older but like-new 500mm Sears mirror lens that I think was made by Tokina. It came with a Canon FD mount. I unscrewed the FD mount and in its place glued a 42mm-58mm step-up ring. Found the glue at the hardware store- it is supposed to bind to metal. Let it dry overnight. I then connected that to a standard 42mm Screw thread-EOS lens adapter. The lens now focuses to infinity on my 7D and is a great lightweight long lens in my pack.


PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found patent of this lens:

http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=NPU6AAAAEBAJ

It shows 8 different lens diagrams. The 28/1.9 has 3 elements in front group, so fig.10 is unlikely. It seems, that the 28/1.9 has 6 elements in the rear group and only two of them are cemented, so fig.1, 2 and 3 are unlikely, too. Front element is curved, so fig.6 and 9 are out of game... Fig.8 shows f/2.0 design. The last one - likely the 28/1.9 Vivitar - is fig.7:



PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taken outside. Wide-open, very bad cloudy light. I couldn't pick WB right. This lens if very fast - camera went up to 1/3500s on 200 ISO. I must compare with other Komine, Kiron 2/28mm soon.






PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the usual situations where it would occur, is the purple fringing at fully open very bad with this Series 1 lens? I find it to be quite bad with the 200mm.


PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2010 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another contender: Enna München 4/24mm. I am very pleased with results and short focusing distance really helps when shooting smaller objects. Multicoated version a bit better. And do check if all your elements are clean since this baby is prone to fogging due to plastic Ennalyt chassis (some lucky guys have metal version but not me).


PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2010 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The enna is one of the brand which more different commentaries have had.

I read and heard a lot of OK, so-so, poor.

Nice to see the images taklen with the 24 enna

Rino.


PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2010 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anu wrote:
Excalibur wrote:
***First lens to challenge 2.4/35mm Flektogon***

Erm no supporters of Canon FD 35mm f2.8 and F2...................................


Isn't their minimum focusing distance in the 30-35 cm neighbourhood?


Well my 35mm f2.8 is appx 27cm by a quick measurement from the film plane.