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Marek
Joined: 13 Apr 2014 Posts: 903 Location: In the heart of Europe
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:59 am Post subject: First ever batch of coated (T) ever made lenses? |
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Marek wrote:
Hi guys,
Been just wandering what's the world's first batch of coated items (surely made by Zeiss, around 1937) to know? Klauses, please?
Just acquired 5,8cm Biotar with s/n batch around 2.244.xxx being T-coated, so, just curious
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Lightshow
Joined: 04 Nov 2011 Posts: 3669 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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Lightshow wrote:
I've never heard of any first batch, I don't even know if it would have been documented or even labeled on the lens, it would be an interesting thing to find out. _________________ A Manual Focus Junky...
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 10539 Location: California
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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As mentioned above, natural index-matching "coatings" were discovered by Lord Rayleigh in 1886. Harold Dennis Taylor of Cooke company developed a chemical method for producing such coatings in 1904.[20][21]
Interference-based coatings were invented and developed in 1935 by Alexander Smakula, who was working for the Carl Zeiss optics company.[22][23][24] Anti-reflection coatings were a German military secret until the early stages of World War II.[25] Katharine Burr Blodgett and Irving Langmuir developed organic anti-reflection coatings known as Langmuir–Blodgett films in the late 1930s. |
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Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51BB), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15685
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Kodak were the first to commercialise lens coating, they developed a vacuum deposition method. However, I am not sure when they first produced coated optics, certainly they were turning out coated optics in vast quantities by 1942 for military use. Whether Zeiss were a couple of years ahead or not I don't know, these things were secret military technology in the late 30s and 40s. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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fiftyonepointsix
Joined: 30 Apr 2017 Posts: 292
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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fiftyonepointsix wrote:
My earliest fully Coated Zeiss lens is a 5cm F1.5 Sonnar and is in the 190xxxx block, 1936 according to Thiele. It is not marked "T". It is hard coated, vacuum deposition. I have an earlier 175x block Sonnar, 1935, with a coated front element. I have seen another in the 175 block just like it. I've read that the Vacuum Deposition equipment was available at about that time. Zeiss coated some lenses, not others, of the same block. I have an uncoated Sonnar in the same 190xxxx block as the coated lens. |
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15685
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:40 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
My 1.5 prewar Sonnar is uncoated, I think, from memory it's a 1938 production, I'd have to check the serial again to be sure - it's the lens in my avatar.
I wonder if some uncoated lenses were later given coatings as you could certainly get a lens coated in the 50s, maybe it was a service offered by some dealers - send your lens off to be coated? _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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Teemō
Joined: 07 Apr 2016 Posts: 586 Location: Australia
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:05 am Post subject: |
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Teemō wrote:
visualopsins wrote: |
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As mentioned above, natural index-matching "coatings" were discovered by Lord Rayleigh in 1886. Harold Dennis Taylor of Cooke company developed a chemical method for producing such coatings in 1904.[20][21]
Interference-based coatings were invented and developed in 1935 by Alexander Smakula, who was working for the Carl Zeiss optics company.[22][23][24] Anti-reflection coatings were a German military secret until the early stages of World War II.[25] Katharine Burr Blodgett and Irving Langmuir developed organic anti-reflection coatings known as Langmuir–Blodgett films in the late 1930s. |
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-reflective_coating |
There's more information on this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_photographic_lens_design#Anti-reflection_coating |
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 10539 Location: California
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
Teemō wrote: |
visualopsins wrote: |
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As mentioned above, natural index-matching "coatings" were discovered by Lord Rayleigh in 1886. Harold Dennis Taylor of Cooke company developed a chemical method for producing such coatings in 1904.[20][21]
Interference-based coatings were invented and developed in 1935 by Alexander Smakula, who was working for the Carl Zeiss optics company.[22][23][24] Anti-reflection coatings were a German military secret until the early stages of World War II.[25] Katharine Burr Blodgett and Irving Langmuir developed organic anti-reflection coatings known as Langmuir–Blodgett films in the late 1930s. |
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-reflective_coating |
There's more information on this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_photographic_lens_design#Anti-reflection_coating |
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Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51BB), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16544 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
Teemō wrote: |
visualopsins wrote: |
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As mentioned above, natural index-matching "coatings" were discovered by Lord Rayleigh in 1886. Harold Dennis Taylor of Cooke company developed a chemical method for producing such coatings in 1904.[20][21]
Interference-based coatings were invented and developed in 1935 by Alexander Smakula, who was working for the Carl Zeiss optics company.[22][23][24] Anti-reflection coatings were a German military secret until the early stages of World War II.[25] Katharine Burr Blodgett and Irving Langmuir developed organic anti-reflection coatings known as Langmuir–Blodgett films in the late 1930s. |
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-reflective_coating |
There's more information on this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_photographic_lens_design#Anti-reflection_coating |
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stevemark
Joined: 29 Apr 2011 Posts: 3754 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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stevemark wrote:
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
I wonder if some uncoated lenses were later given coatings as you could certainly get a lens coated in the 50s, maybe it was a service offered by some dealers - send your lens off to be coated? |
Here in Switzerland it was quite easy to get coatings even in the mid-1980s, for a uncoated lens _________________ www.artaphot.ch |
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Marek
Joined: 13 Apr 2014 Posts: 903 Location: In the heart of Europe
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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Marek wrote:
Looks like I've started a fruitful discussion at least. _________________ Angry young man !
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 10539 Location: California
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 12:42 am Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
Marek wrote: |
Looks like I've started a fruitful discussion at least. |
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Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51BB), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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