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Sjak
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:32 pm Post subject: First attempt at macro (Volna-9 & Macro-Elmarit-R 60) |
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Sjak wrote:
Recently I got a remote shutter, and this weekend finally found a small portable tripod that I liked.
Any suggestions to get better results are appreciated
Improvized something to hold the paper (an egg slicer ), 3.1 second shutter, ISO 800.
Lens is (allegedly) a never used Volna-9 from ebay. Judging from condition, I am inclined to believe this.
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Sjak
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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Sjak wrote:
Also wanted to check the difference with my Leica Macro-Elmarit-R 60mm.
For walkaround-purposes, the Volna certainy wins, smaller lighter, and even the handling is not bad at all even compared to a Leica.
The Leica does however go to 1:1 with the included extension ring, and is about 15 years older. Got it in impeccable condition for a fair price, initially for shooting flowers and bugs, but as it happens with Leica-R-lenses, I found it just a bit too bulky for that purpose.
#1: Volna-9
#2 Marco-Elmarit-R 60
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 10463 Location: California
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
I like #2 lighting -- texture is revealed. _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony A7Rii, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Lenses:
Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200
Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300
Macro-Takumar 1:4/50
Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm
Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element),
Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17
Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500
Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100
Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100
SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
Other lenses:
Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51BB), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto
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Sjak
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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Sjak wrote:
Yes, in all the fiddling with everything, I forgot to re-adjust the white balance and exposure (left them at yesterday's setting) when I played with the Volna. The detail is mostly still there, but indeed too subdued.
At #2, WB is adjusted to highlight the blue and EV set to 0 (light is the same, but a 13-sec exposure) |
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Himself
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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Himself wrote:
Shoot something else. Go 3D.
A flower bud, a leaf, etc. _________________ Moderator Himself |
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Sjak
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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Sjak wrote:
Shoot something with volume is a good recommendation, thanks! I will find something else to shoot. Now is not the time of year for flowers, but I will find something else...
Below was my first experience with f/2.8 being really too wide open with the Elmarit.... only the eyes were in focus... but during summer did not play much with it, as this lens is too cumbersome to carry with me on city-walks and trips with the bicycle (In both situations, I prefer more discrete lenses)
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Sjak
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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Sjak wrote:
Himself wrote: |
Shoot something else. Go 3D.
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I played around a little more yesterday evening, but found out the lighting is more challenging with subject matter that is not totally flat (with 2D-objects, it is only a matter of extending esposure time)
This will need practice and trial-and-error |
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56 DIN
Joined: 24 Apr 2010 Posts: 1656 Location: Germany Erbach /ODW
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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56 DIN wrote:
why are you using ISO 800, if you use a tripod?
or did you make these without tripod and just got one? _________________ Thomas
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Sjak
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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Sjak wrote:
56 DIN wrote: |
why are you using ISO 800, if you use a tripod?
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Thanks for the feedback!
I did use the tripod+remote. But I was a bit impatient (shutter time would be much longer at lower ISO, and the Fuji performs very decently up to at least 1600)
Is there any recommendation for ISO-setting in this type of imaging? |
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visualopsins
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
Sjak wrote: |
56 DIN wrote: |
why are you using ISO 800, if you use a tripod?
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Thanks for the feedback!
I did use the tripod+remote. But I was a bit impatient (shutter time would be much longer at lower ISO, and the Fuji performs very decently up to at least 1600)
Is there any recommendation for ISO-setting in this type of imaging? |
Lower uses less amplification, resulting in lower noise, however shutter speed is more important for faster moving subject. _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony A7Rii, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Lenses:
Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200
Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300
Macro-Takumar 1:4/50
Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm
Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element),
Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17
Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500
Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100
Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100
SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
Other lenses:
Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51BB), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto
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Sjak
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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Sjak wrote:
Tonight, with a little more patience, tried with coins. After some digging in my travel-souvenirs, I finally found a coin that actually fits within the (near-) 1:1 frame of the Leica
ISO 200, 30 sec shutter speed, and then another 30 sec for the long exposure noise compensation at least winter will pass quickly this way
The Elmarit really impresses me with the level of detail it reveals, and this for a 44 year old lens. The coin is less than 2cm in diameter.
Tried a few objects that are "more 3D" but I need to add some more directional light for creating shadows.
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Sjak
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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Sjak wrote:
Meanwhile, I also received a new package from Ukraine, including an Industar 61 LZ MC 50mm f/2.8.
First impression: it is not at the level of the Volna&Leica re. build quality and general feel, but it is more compact, and significantly lighter than both, which is a big advantage if the lens is added to a travel-kit.
Still need to test how I like the rendering. It does have the star-shaped aperture between approx. 4-8, just like the Volna |
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56 DIN
Joined: 24 Apr 2010 Posts: 1656 Location: Germany Erbach /ODW
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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56 DIN wrote:
lower ISO leads to less noise as already said above, but it as well leads to better colours and contrast
doing reproduction like images, I always use the lowest available ISO on a cam _________________ Thomas
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Himself
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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Himself wrote:
Sjak wrote: |
Tonight, with a little more patience, tried with coins. After some digging in my travel-souvenirs, I finally found a coin that actually fits within the (near-) 1:1 frame of the Leica
ISO 200, 30 sec shutter speed, and then another 30 sec for the long exposure noise compensation at least winter will pass quickly this way
The Elmarit really impresses me with the level of detail it reveals, and this for a 44 year old lens. The coin is less than 2cm in diameter.
Tried a few objects that are "more 3D" but I need to add some more directional light for creating shadows.
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I don't get it here: 30 seconds exposure or 1/30?
Because if it's 30 seconds then something is awfully wrong. _________________ Moderator Himself |
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Sjak
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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Sjak wrote:
30 seconds, not 1/30
Combination of low light (especially with the coin being partially in the shadow of the lens/camera, and the coin reflecting the black cam/lens combo), low ISO and small aperture. If I close the aperture even further, I have to switch to bulb mode, as (partial) auto-exposure only goes to 30 seconds.
Right now, there's not much I can do about the light in the evening, except adding a small spotlight, but didnt have time yet to experiment with that.
Aperture wider than 8.0 gives a too shallow depth of field.
I can increase the ISO though.
Other suggestions are of course welcome
Probably I'm missing something very basic in my enthousiasm |
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