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 Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:50 pm Post subject: Finally got me an 135mm f1.8 |
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Nordentro wrote:
It is the Spiratone version, but it haven't arrived yet.
Do anyone have experiences with this lens?
I guess it's difficult to operate wide open? 
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walter g wrote:
I'm guessing it's made by Sigma.
http://www.mflenses.com/gallery/v/japenese/othermaker/spiratone_135mm_f1_8/
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| Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
This is a good lens if you need 1.8 at 135mm really and you don't have $$ for better ones. Not harder to use than any other fast lens at 1.8 . At least I remember for this.
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Nordentro
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Nordentro wrote:
I do not really need this lens, but my curiosity needs it 
I am happy if it could be good bang for the bucks. Fast lenses in this range usually have bad influence on my pocketmoney and my wife 
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cooltouch
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I owned one years ago when I was a camera dealer -- think it was a Sigma. Back in those days you saw them at camera shows -- they weren't especially common, but not rare either. And they weren't worth much. I recall asking about $80 for mine, and had a hard time getting that for it. It was in M42 mount.
Seems like nowadays though, this lens -- which has been made by a variety of different manufacturers, or at least made in different versions -- has developed a rather passionate following, and prices for it have been driven up there. That, or eBay sellers see how much the new Sony 135/1.8 sells for so they jack up the prices of these 70s-era optics. I would like to find another, but I just can't bring myself to pay $300+ for an optic that I remember being rather soft wide open. I reckon if I were gonna pay that kind of money, I'd get a Samyang 85mm f/1.4 and use a 1.5x TC with it if I wanted something close to the focal length and aperture of a 135/1.8.
And then you have idiots like this who make matters even worse:
Click here to see on Ebay
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walter g
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walter g wrote:
Cooltouch, It is hard to get a good deal on these lenses. All the ones at BIN on the bay are listed in this price range.
The Soligor ones were made by Komine,Sun, and Tokina. I don't think there was a Sigma version in the Soligor brand.
I'd be curious to know what the Sigma version sells for.
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Apollo ones have a c mount. And the odd "Night Invader" version too!
Even soft, wide open can be good?
We now know that lenses go up in value as standards drop and plastics predominate. Well made, good performers will hold value and more importantly, produce good pictures for decades!
I still hesitate to sell, say 50, lenses to buy a Leica lens. The difference would be too small to justify the concentration of risk. Perhaps if my technique was as good as some, I might be unable to cope with the slightly inferior results from lesser lenses, but I am still learning. So I amy well change my mind!
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Minolfan wrote:
Have a Sigma one purchased new in the seventies. YS-mount for MC, later one for M42 too.
I used the lens most times in theatres and the harsh light there made the soft working WO quite usefull. At 5.6 the lens is sharp, but stays bulky and heavy ofcourse. |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
I tell myself that I would never use F1.8 on a lens this long so I don't have to buy one! 
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cooltouch
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Nordentro -- when your lens arrives, take a look at the serial number. If it's preceded by the "sigma" symbol -- Ʃ -- then it was made by Sigma. As I dimly recall, the one I used to own was a Spiratone with the sigma symbol.
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Nordentro
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| Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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Nordentro wrote:
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Have a Sigma one purchased new in the seventies. YS-mount for MC, later one for M42 too.
I used the lens most times in theatres and the harsh light there made the soft working WO quite usefull. At 5.6 the lens is sharp, but stays bulky and heavy ofcourse. |
This is also the YS mount version
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Nordentro
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Nordentro wrote:
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| Nordentro -- when your lens arrives, take a look at the serial number. If it's preceded by the "sigma" symbol -- Ʃ -- then it was made by Sigma. As I dimly recall, the one I used to own was a Spiratone with the sigma symbol. |
I didn't see any Sigma symbol on the pictures, but I'll look more closely when it arrives Thx for the tip!
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Nordentro wrote:
| pat donnelly wrote: |
Apollo ones have a c mount. And the odd "Night Invader" version too!
Even soft, wide open can be good?
We now know that lenses go up in value as standards drop and plastics predominate. Well made, good performers will hold value and more importantly, produce good pictures for decades!
I still hesitate to sell, say 50, lenses to buy a Leica lens. The difference would be too small to justify the concentration of risk. Perhaps if my technique was as good as some, I might be unable to cope with the slightly inferior results from lesser lenses, but I am still learning. So I amy well change my mind! |
But who made the Apollos?
I keep telling my wife: "Those lenses I buy is an investment"
I would never sell 50 of my average performance mflenses to buy one "super lens". There are so much more to old lenses than just good sharpness, contrast and creamy bokeh.
But I would love to have more of the expensive and rare lenses and I keep my eyes on the market for good deals.
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There's a nagging memory in my head of reading that all of these third party 135/1.8s were the same lens elements assembled by different makers. In other words, one optical house ground the elements and sold them to Sigma, Mitake, etc. for assembly as Sigma, Soligor, Spiratone and so on. Look at the variations and you'll find T2 mount, YS mount, fixed mount and left handed and right handed focusing direction.
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cooltouch wrote:
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I keep telling my wife: "Those lenses I buy is an investment"
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Oh yes, this is a tactic I use often. Not just for lenses (or cameras) either. I use it for old motorcycles (I have MAS too) and guitars (I have that kind of GAS as well). I explain to my wife that these old bikes and guitars are done with depreciation and that, in many cases, they are appreciating in value. So I just buy below market value, or keep it long enough such that the purchase price is well below market value. I've sold only one of the bikes I've bought so far, but I sold it at a 67% profit. Better than the stock market in most cases. Recently I sold a guitar that I no longer play and I sold it at a 100% profit.
With camera gear, it's the same. I look for deals on desirable items and try to buy below market value. I try not to buy items at what I perceive to be market value. Or if I do, I'll usually hold on to them long enough such that they'll sell at a profit if I do sell.
Classic mf lenses are great investments in my opinion. When I bought my Canon 85/1.2 Aspherical, FL 55/1.2, and Vivitar S1 28-90 at a package price, when I told my wife about the great deal I got and how much those lenses were worth, first thing she asked was "How much money will you make?" I came up with a reasonable estimate of the profit I might expect, and that satisfied her. *Whew!* See, I'm not planning on selling those lenses any time soon, and it seems that just telling her there's money to be made was sufficient.
I've extolled the advantages of investing in collectibles for years. True, they aren't especially liquid investments, and true, their value tends to take a hit in hard economic times, but if you buy to hold and not to make a quick profit, then it can be a great way to accumulate wealth.
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Wow, the lens showed up today! What a big chunk of glass!!!
It was very nice too, looks like it never was used
I removed the YS mount and put on a T mount to m 4/3. Seems to work just fine, wide open. But...
What is the best walkaround to hold down the pin all the time to make it possible to use the aperture?!?
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Nordentro wrote:
Yes, that may work
I was thinking of maybe try to use plastic strips? (for wires)
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Wow, the lens showed up today! What a big chunk of glass!!!
It was very nice too, looks like it never was used
I removed the YS mount and put on a T mount to m 4/3. Seems to work just fine, wide open. But...
What is the best walkaround to hold down the pin all the time to make it possible to use the aperture?!? |
The best solution is not to use a T-mount adapter on it!...Its a Y/S mount lens so you should use a Y/S mount adapter on it. The best one to get is the Y/S to M42 adapter, as then
the lens will be able to be used on virtually any DSLR.
I have the Sigmatel (yes, "Sigmatel", not "Sigma") Multi Scalmatic 135mm f1.8 and on examination it has a sigma symbol next to the serial number (74040032) so it is made by Sigma.
Mine came with a Y-S-Minolta MD adapter so I removed it and swapped it for an Y/S-M42 adapter I got used from Mr Cad in Croydon, S.London.
Arty-farty dreamy looking portraits can be made with it when its wide open but between f4-f5.6, where its razor sharp, its a fantastic short wildlife lens.
It has a 77mm filter thread and I use a nice, metal, 3" deep 77mm Sonia Brand lenshood on it, which is essential to shade that big front element, reducing ghosting and glare and improving contrast.
My one is near mint yet I paid only £55 for it on ebay, including the postage.
Here is a pic of the lens, without the lenshood:
And one of it with the lenshood:
Here is a wildlife sample taken with it @ f4:
And one from it at wide open @ f1.8:
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Nordentro wrote:
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Wow, the lens showed up today! What a big chunk of glass!!!
It was very nice too, looks like it never was used
I removed the YS mount and put on a T mount to m 4/3. Seems to work just fine, wide open. But...
What is the best walkaround to hold down the pin all the time to make it possible to use the aperture?!? |
The best solution is not to use a T-mount adapter on it!...Its a Y/S mount lens so you should use a Y/S mount adapter on it. The best one to get is the Y/S to M42 adapter, as then
the lens will be able to be used on virtually any DSLR.
I have the Sigmatel (yes, "Sigmatel", not "Sigma") Multi Scalmatic 135mm f1.8 and on examination it has a sigma symbol next to the serial number (74040032) so it is made by Sigma.
Mine came with a Y-S-Minolta MD adapter so I removed it and swapped it for an Y/S-M42 adapter I got used from Mr Cad in Croydon, S.London.
Arty-farty dreamy looking portraits can be made with it when its wide open but between f4-f5.6, where its razor sharp, its a fantastic short wildlife lens.
It has a 77mm filter thread and I use a nice, metal, 3" deep 77mm Sonia Brand lenshood on it, which is essential to shade that big front element, reducing ghosting and glare and improving contrast.
My one is near mint yet I paid only £55 for it on ebay, including the postage. |
I have to admit that I payed more than twice of what you paid, £55 is a extreme good deal! But I'm happy with the Spiro so far, everything is smooth and looks brand new
I am very impressed of the picture of your squirrel! I haven't tried the optical performance enough yet, but it looks promising from early test shoots
I have found a YS to m42 adapter, thank you for that tip!
When it comes to filter thread... looks like the Spiratone is wider than the Sigmatel, I have a 82mm filter thread
I did find a Sonja lens hood in 82mm, but I'm a little afraid of getting vignetting with such a long tube?!?
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Zupremous wrote:
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Wow, the lens showed up today! What a big chunk of glass!!!
It was very nice too, looks like it never was used
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Please, curious....post a photo of it, and some samples 
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| I have the Sigmatel (yes, "Sigmatel", not "Sigma") Multi Scalmatic 135mm f1.8 and on examination it has a sigma symbol next to the serial number (74040032) so it is made by Sigma. |
I always find this lens really beatiful esthetically, good to see it on a SD14 ...all Sigma
I like to ask you, the eyecup for the SD14 you have, is from?
I've to choose and buy one. |
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DSG wrote:
| Nordentro wrote: |
| DSG wrote: |
| Nordentro wrote: |
Wow, the lens showed up today! What a big chunk of glass!!!
It was very nice too, looks like it never was used
I removed the YS mount and put on a T mount to m 4/3. Seems to work just fine, wide open. But...
What is the best walkaround to hold down the pin all the time to make it possible to use the aperture?!? |
The best solution is not to use a T-mount adapter on it!...Its a Y/S mount lens so you should use a Y/S mount adapter on it. The best one to get is the Y/S to M42 adapter, as then
the lens will be able to be used on virtually any DSLR.
I have the Sigmatel (yes, "Sigmatel", not "Sigma") Multi Scalmatic 135mm f1.8 and on examination it has a sigma symbol next to the serial number (74040032) so it is made by Sigma.
Mine came with a Y-S-Minolta MD adapter so I removed it and swapped it for an Y/S-M42 adapter I got used from Mr Cad in Croydon, S.London.
Arty-farty dreamy looking portraits can be made with it when its wide open but between f4-f5.6, where its razor sharp, its a fantastic short wildlife lens.
It has a 77mm filter thread and I use a nice, metal, 3" deep 77mm Sonia Brand lenshood on it, which is essential to shade that big front element, reducing ghosting and glare and improving contrast.
My one is near mint yet I paid only £55 for it on ebay, including the postage. |
I have to admit that I payed more than twice of what you paid, £55 is a extreme good deal! But I'm happy with the Spiro so far, everything is smooth and looks brand new
I am very impressed of the picture of your squirrel! I haven't tried the optical performance enough yet, but it looks promising from early test shoots
I have found a YS to m42 adapter, thank you for that tip!
When it comes to filter thread... looks like the Spiratone is wider than the Sigmatel, I have a 82mm filter thread |
I'm supprised its filter thread as big as that...Makes me wonder if they are different optically too?
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I did find a Sonja lens hood in 82mm, but I'm a little afraid of getting vignetting with such a long tube?!? |
If your using it on a crop format DSLR you wont have to worry about vignetting...Dont know about on a FF DSLR though...Sonia brand hoods are pretty cheap so you would'nt have to splash out much to try one and see. |
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That's a beautiful snapshot portrait what you have there, DSG
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DSG
Beautiful portrait lens! Lovely pic too! Clever of you to show how difficult it is to focus correctly too
Lovely lens!.
Amazing that there are two or more versions of the lens? I need to sell stuff to pay the outrageous prices this now commands!
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The lens was not really a cheap one when it was new too. |
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