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PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
In BW, I don't want 'new' products, I want to see the old ones continued. The Efke films were wonderful and they were simply the old Agfa emulsions from the 1950s.


Me too. I hope that someone picks up the Efke formula.
As for Ferrania, they expressed the intention of resuming the old P30 B&W film. That's a glorious film extensively used in the
Italian movie productions of the 50s and 60s, but it was also used for still cameras, I remember having seen it in the 120 format.


PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
P30 would be great!

Old BW emulsions weren't that grainy, it was only 400 and faster that was grainy, and I never shoot anything faster than 125 (FP4).

I want 25, 50, 100 speed films, thick cubic emulsions that will give me rich, creamy tonality.


PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
P30 would be great!
Old BW emulsions weren't that grainy, it was only 400 and faster that was grainy, and I never shoot anything faster than 125 (FP4).
I want 25, 50, 100 speed films, thick cubic emulsions that will give me rich, creamy tonality.


P30 at the time was fast speed Smile 20 DIN - 80 ASA
But it should not be too grainy hopefully considering that today it will be made using advanced technology (reportedly the machines in the Ferrania factory
are amongst the most technologically advanced - they worked until a couple of years ago).

I found this image that lists some of the old Ferrania films and their speed:



PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thanks for the info Orio. It would be very nice to have some of the old BW emulsions back.

Can you suggest some classic Italian films that used P30? I'm curious to check them out.


PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Thanks for the info Orio. It would be very nice to have some of the old BW emulsions back.

Can you suggest some classic Italian films that used P30? I'm curious to check them out.


I think all the Pasolini B&W films of the 60s used it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pier_Paolo_Pasolini
The P30 was introduced (as far as I know) in 1959.


PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Cheers, I will check his work out.


PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Cheers, I will check his work out.


I think that Mamma Roma is probably the Pasolini movie where the P30 qualities are better showed. Nice contrast, beaufitul blacks, clean output:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9XCGiu34Ds&list=PL943FFC1E75EA3F38

Now that I think about it, Orson Welles too used Italian film in some of his movies of the 50s and 60s, because I read it in his biography.
He used to go here and buy film whenever he had some money because it was cheaper.
And of course "Italian film" can only mean Ferrania.
Many scenes of Othello were shot here. Also several scenes from his unfinished Don Quixote.
And The Trial was an Italian/French/German co-production.
I think that there are chances that many scenes in those movies were shot on Ferrania film.


PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Very interesting, I am something of a Welles fan. I wonder if The Third Man used Ferrania? It is one of my absolute favourite movies in terms of cinematography and aesthetics.


PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Very interesting, I am something of a Welles fan. I wonder if The Third Man used Ferrania? It is one of my absolute favourite movies in terms of cinematography and aesthetics.


I'm sure it's not Ferrania. The Third Man was a rather large production for the time. David Selznick was amongst the producers, which speaks volumes about the size of the money.
Welles started to go to Italy, France and Spain to shoot movies in a later period, after he cut all the bridges with the major movie companies.
All the movies that I mentioned, except for The Trial which got help from the national funds of the aforementioned nations, were produced almost entirely by Welles himself
with the proceedings that he got for his actor jobs.
This is why he used to buy film cheaply in stocks and also why his movies of the 50s and 60s were shot intermittently, when the actors involved
were available in the intervals between their other films, since he could not afford to sign them for a prolonged period of time.


PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ferrania factory today:




Ferrania factory in the 30s:




Ferrania's building "A" today - where they make acetate supports:




The building "A" in the beginning of the century - it was the first made part of the factory:



PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Early in the thread I showed shots using Ferrania Fg 200 PLUS...well I re-visited the place and took similar shots with a different lens and got similar results using another roll, and in the last shot wanted to use the film up and took a snap with the Hexanon 50mm f1.4 @ about f5.6...no sharpening with any shots in Photoshop.

Hexanon 40mm


Hexanon 40mm


Hexanon 50mm f1.4 @about f5.6


PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Very nice results I would say Smile


PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
Very nice results I would say Smile


...and I would say you have to know its strengths and weaknesses and maybe it works better on different subjects. The Ferrania I took to Ibiza worked on some subjects but not others, mind you this film was probably defective being OOD...for example:-

Kiron 80-200mm


And got crap results like this from my trusted sigma 24mm.


This is what I'm used to, with same camera, same flash gun, but with a 35mm flek and Reala


PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
But you don't know if it was developed in the same chemical lot.
Development is crucial for colour film. It's importance can never be overstated.


PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
But you don't know if it was developed in the same chemical lot.
Development is crucial for colour film. It's importance can never be overstated.


Well yes you could be right as when I took the 5 rolls to be dev and scanned, maybe the first roll with Ferrania was when the machine hadn't warmed up properly, or important chemicals settled at the bottom of the tank or what ever could happen on a Fuji Frontier machine. Sad


PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Having that said, like i wrote earlier, if you like realistic colours then Fuji is the film to use. Ferrania is more for the artsy minded Smile

P.S. the guy in the Ferrania photo looks a lot like Frank Sinatra in his 50s Shocked


PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
Having that said, like i wrote earlier, if you like realistic colours then Fuji is the film to use. Ferrania is more for the artsy minded Smile

P.S. the guy in the Ferrania photo looks a lot like Frank Sinatra in his 50s Shocked


Damn that Sinaltra he has even been with my wife Laughing if you look at Mia Farrow's son he is the image of his father, and she has now admitted Sinaltra is the father and not woody Allen.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2441281/Mia-Farrow-says-Frank-Sinatra-father-son-Ronan.html


PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ferrania has updated their site with a photo of the staff (taken with film of course...) and with a page of team info:

http://www.filmferrania.it/team/



Not really a team of youngsters Laughing but who am I to complain about the age? Laughing At least they have the experience.
Now let's hope that more solid news are revealed soon - they stated the 1st quarter of 2014 as launch date of the
first film (most likely the 100/21° ISO slide)


PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
they stated the 1st quarter of 2014 as launch date of the first film

With no updates in three-and-a-half months, I can't help feeling that target is going to be missed.

Since they were promising to take care of small-format motion films to start with, I still have my fingers crossed that single-perforated 16mm will be available before high summer.


PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
There is an updated posted 2 days ago on Flickr. From Nicola:

Quote:
Hello guys, no news does not mean bad news. Just a little bit late with our schedule to start the production. Sorry for the low profile in communications but for the moment it is our style Smile


http://www.flickr.com/groups/ishootfilm/discuss/72157630192838072/page5/


PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
They are almost there. They took people for a tour of the factory recently:
http://www.wittner-cinetec.com/info/filmferrania/english.php


PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
New post added on Monday 11th promising "a big announcement coming in mid-September."
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