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j.lukow



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:19 am    Post subject: Essential photo basics . . . Reply with quote

This thread was inspired by an email exchange with Larry.
I'm not asking about basics we've forgotten or should have remembered. I was hoping to share some tips with members out there - to refresh the memory or teach the members newer to photography (especially MF).

Tripod use . . .
Use one if you're using a telephoto and slower shutter speed. Larry mentioned that the shutter speed should be faster than the focal length of the lens - for a 400mm lens, minimum of 1/500th - if I understand what he said. this is because shake is easily seen when using telephotos and zooms.
I think this is an essential basic because so many digitals have anti-shake mechanisms, so if you're using film or I guess a manual lens - shake/blur can pop up.
If you don't have a tripod or room for a tripod set it on something solid - a bean bag on the ground, a log, a rock, a low wall or a car roof.

So guys if you can think of an essential tip post it.

Jim

ps - When using a RF camera make sure the lens cap is off - doesn't count Laughing
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Tokina SD f4-5.6 70-210 zoom, f4.5 80-200 "Ultra" zoom,
AutoImage 135mm F1:2.8, Spiratone 400mm f1:6.3, Magicon f3.5-4.8 35-70mm macro zoom,Accura MD mount Macro bellows

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Laurence



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't hesitate to bracket! Especially if you come to a scene that is inspiring, and you want to make sure you have nailed it. This holds true especially with slide film, and even more if you are using the Sunny 16 rules.

If I am at a really nice position with slide film, and think that the image will probably worth it, I bracket 5 shots if using the Sunny 16 procedure, and 3 shots if I'm using a meter.

For print film, I've never bothered bracketing, and have always been "in the ballpark" to get a decent image, because the print film is forgiving.

I take my time when bracketing, and sometimes this results in "seeing" that the image could be improved in some way...so this can be a benefit from the "slowing down"....
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

be sure to consider crop factor when determining tripod use with your focal length and shutter speeds in use. A 50mm Zeiss is going to need an 80ish shutter speed before you can go handheld with it on your Canon [digital].

I was wondering why my 50th sec shutters were getting motion blur before I stumbled on this little extra detail.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bruce wrote:
be sure to consider crop factor when determining tripod use with your focal length and shutter speeds in use. A 50mm Zeiss is going to need an 80ish shutter speed before you can go handheld with it on your Canon [digital].


I don't think so, because you are still using a 50mm lens. You are just recording a smaller part of it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I just Googled "crop camera and shutter speeds" and realized this is a very controversial subject, so I defer to you Orio. But after viewing many of your works, I often concluded you must have the steadiness of a bronze sculpture with the hands of gold.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bruce wrote:
Well, I just Googled "crop camera and shutter speeds" and realized this is a very controversial subject, so I defer to you Orio. But after viewing many of your works, I often concluded you must have the steadiness of a bronze sculpture with the hands of gold.


Laughing

I have my share of misses, like everyone, it's just that I don't show them Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More of a useful tip than essential:

If you use a reversing ring for macro stick a short extension tube on the rear end - it helps reduce flare, and protects the rear element from close encounters with the subject.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great tip, Richard!
I never thought of that.
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DSLR: Canon EOS 5D, 50D. SLR: Contax AX, RX, 167MT; Voigtländer Bessaflex TM; Praktica FX2; Nikon FM2, F70.
RANGEFINDERS: Contax G2, Kiev-4, Voigtlaender Bessa-T, Canonette QL17. MEDIUM FORMAT: Pentacon 6, Zeiss Super Ikonta, Agfa Record II.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is less a Technique tip and more a equipment tip. Use black tape or glue to attach two rear lens caps together back to back. This way when changing lenses in the field you can quickly remove the lens from the cam, attach it to the "open" end of the cap, and then install the new lens. It saves time and you will not be fumbling for a a cap while your lenses rear element is exposed. We all only have two hands after all Wink

Now for a technique tip for new manual focus users. When focusing with a split image screen. Don't be afraid to twist and turn the camera to position the split image on a crossing line in your subject. Often you will find the split is parallel with your subject rendering no use for focusing. Move the camera for focus and then once focused, re-compose the shot. This is also very useful for contrast spot rangefinder users.

I will add more later if anyone is interested. Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes sunshine! give us more crazy tips like the glued caps Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well how about this wild one Wink

Always use a hood. A proper lens hood is more important than multi-coating in many lighting situations. Also a hood and in particular a metal one will provide protection for your lenses. Many photogs overlook this and find hoods cumbersome and inconvenient. Well I don't think more keepers is inconvenient or cumbersome Smile I long ago invested in the fantastic Contax lens hood system. All the hoods are oversized diameter which allows for greater depth. The parts for this system are now becoming quite expensive. However, often they go overlooked at camera shows and can be had for a song so keep your eyes open.
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Epson R D1(s), Bessa L, Bessa R2m, Leica CL, CV 4.5/15, 4/25, 1.4/40, Zeiss ZM 2/35, Yashinon1.8/50, CLE 4/90, Zeiss Opton 4/135 T, Electro GT, Electro GX, Electro CC
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

F16SUNSHINE wrote:
Also a hood and in particular a metal one will provide protection for your lenses.


I can not underscore this enough. If I had a metal hood on last Xmas, I would not have damaged my Planar 2/135.

Besides... Andy made me a gift of one of his Contax rings+hood Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Orio wrote:
Bruce wrote:
be sure to consider crop factor when determining tripod use with your focal length and shutter speeds in use. A 50mm Zeiss is going to need an 80ish shutter speed before you can go handheld with it on your Canon [digital].


I don't think so, because you are still using a 50mm lens. You are just recording a smaller part of it.


Exactly, you are using a smaller part, so to cover the same frame you need to enlarge higher and thus camera shake gets visible easier. That's the reason why you should calculate with the "effective" 35mm equivalent.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

F16SUNSHINE wrote:
This is less a Technique tip and more a equipment tip. Use black tape or glue to attach two rear lens caps together back to back. This way when changing lenses in the field you can quickly remove the lens from the cam, attach it to the "open" end of the cap, and then install the new lens. It saves time and you will not be fumbling for a a cap while your lenses rear element is exposed. We all only have two hands after all Wink

Now for a technique tip for new manual focus users. When focusing with a split image screen. Don't be afraid to twist and turn the camera to position the split image on a crossing line in your subject. Often you will find the split is parallel with your subject rendering no use for focusing. Move the camera for focus and then once focused, re-compose the shot. This is also very useful for contrast spot rangefinder users.

I will add more later if anyone is interested. Smile


For EOS it looks like this:

Very useful, indeed!
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Cams in use: EOS 40D, EOS 350D, EOS500, Spotmatic SPII, Yashica-24, EXA I & 1c, Zenit EM; Oly 35RC,Minolta Hi-Matic E & F, Ricoh 500RF, Yashica Electro 35 GS, FED-3b and some others...
Lenses in use: Asahi Pentax: 2.8/28;3.5/35;1.4/50;1.7/50;2.8/105;28-80 | Canon (AF):1.8/50;17-85;75-300 | Former GDR: Pentacon 3.5/30; Pentaflex 1.8/50; CZJ 2.8/50; CZJ 4/135; Pentacon 4/200 | Fujinon: 43-75 | Hanimex: 3.5/23; 4/100;80-200 | Hoya: 25-42;80-205 | Kiron: 2/28;70-210 | Leica: Elmarit-R 2.8/35 | Mamiya: 1.8/55 | Minolta: 1.7/50 | Nikkor: 2.8/24;2/35;2/50;1.2/55;1.8/85;3.5/135 | West German: Ludwig 2.9/50; Meyer 2.8/100; Will 4.5/105; Schneider 3.5/135;Enna 3.5/135; Zeiss 4/135;Isco 4/135; Enna 4.5/240 | Olympus: 3.5/28;1.4/50;3.5/135 | Rikenon: 1.7/50;35-70 | Rollei/Voigtländer: 1.4/55;1.8/50 | Russian: Peleng3.5/8; Zenitar2.8/16; MIR2.8/37; Volna2.8/50; Industar3.5/50; Industar3.5/5cm; Helios2/50; Helios2/58; Volna2.8/80; Jupiter2/85; Kaleinar2.8/100;Tair2.8/135; Jupiter3.5/135; Jupiter4/135; Telear3.5/200; Jupiter4/200; Tair4.5/300;RF: Jupiter2.8/35;Industar2.8/53 | Sigma: 28-85;28-105(AF);17-70(AF) | Soligor: 28-105;35-200;70-220 | Tamron: 2.5/24;2.5/135;2.8/135;60-300;70-210 | Tokina: 28-105;80-200;12-24(AF);70-210(AF) | Vivitar: 3.5/17;2/24;2/28;2.5/28;2.8/28 | Yashica: 1.7/50;2/5cm | Other Japanese: Cosina3.8/20; Petri2.8/28; Albinar2.8/28; Porst1.8/35; 2.8/135; Weltblick3.5/135; Beroflex 8/500; Spiratone28-200; Maginon70-210
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LucisPictor wrote:

Exactly, you are using a smaller part, so to cover the same frame you need to enlarge higher and thus camera shake gets visible easier. That's the reason why you should calculate with the "effective" 35mm equivalent.


It's too complicated for me Laughing
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RANGEFINDERS: Contax G2, Kiev-4, Voigtlaender Bessa-T, Canonette QL17. MEDIUM FORMAT: Pentacon 6, Zeiss Super Ikonta, Agfa Record II.

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