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rbelyell
Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 4269 Location: somewhere in the mountains of central NY
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2014 4:18 pm Post subject: Epson RD1: how a 10 yr old camera helped me find happiness |
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rbelyell wrote:
personal journeys are boring. what redeems some is their intersection with our own interest. mine is learning about photography, and within that, trying to find the best balance for the enjoyable use of manual focus lenses that yields smile-inducing results. if youre interested in those two topics, read on!
im a simple guy at heart. i like the interaction gained from looking through a viewfinder, framing a scene and focusing a lens. in fact i derive my most pleasureable 'user experiences' from that interplay. problem is that i have not been able to replicate that essentially film experience with digital. ive tried lots of solutions from lots of manufacturers: fuji, olympus, ricoh gxr, apsc, m4/3 blah blah blah. and ive achieved some fabulous resulting images from each system over many years.
but truth be told, in spite of these great images ive nonetheless gone from system to system like some camera nymphomaniac. why, oh why? can i never be happy? is it that i really dont want to be happy? what is it in me that prevents satisfaction when my equipment rewards me with lovely picture after lovely picture? surely, there is something wrong with me, deeply, in my soul...
turns out there is. and not surprisingly it brings me back to the deeply soulful enjoyment i get from simply looking through a viewfinder, framing a scene and focusing a lens. and it took a ten year old camera to bring me back to the future.
FRAMING A SCENE
turns out i dont like anything that stands between me, what i see and my ability to capture it. i didnt realize how unhappy i was not having that until i got the rd1. what i did realize was that i hated evfs blacking out or freezing after a shot (gxr m), i hated multiple framelines distracting my line of sight (rangefinder cams), i hated bright light obscuring my view by washing out my evf. the rd1 has a 1:1 optical viewfinder with single framelines. big, beautiful view, lightproof, no distractions, no blackouts/freezing, plus i see whats outside the scene so i can determine if i want it in the scene. honestly, you do not understand what a 1:1 view means to you in real life if youve not experienced it. amazing.
FOCUSING
this has been my biggest dissatisfaction with systems heretofore. i dont like peeking--i find it distracting as these damned dots are all over my screen obscuring my view of reality. red dots arent reality. my scene is reality. and i dont like the magnification regimen of having to press a button, leave my composition, focus, press a button, recompose and shoot. opportunity after opportunity lost. life moves on, it aint waiting for me to press buttons. plus, often my eyes just arent good enough to get it right.
the rd1 has a simple, accurate, fast method of focusing that never obscures my scene, never requires me to leave my composition. that the view is 1:1 and not say .68 like an m8, and has a single vs two sets of framelines, makes everything larger, unencumbered, easy to see and thus quicker and accurate to focus.
RESULTS
this is by far the biggest eye opener. at 6mp, and with me being a confirmed, unabashed pixel peeper, i really couldnt be more pleased with the images. theyre sharp, pretty well saturated and both color and b&w have lovely tonal, filmlike qualities. even at 1600, i am more than happy with what i see. i'll put these up against the gxr m i used for years, and still hail for its results. but the rd1 is eons more fun, more 'involved' and puts up many less roadblocks in use than that fine camera. heck, i'd put the results i get with mf lenses up against the xpro i used for a month, then sent back. and its certainly as good as what ive gotten from m4/3 from the ep2 until today with my epl5.
NEGATIVES
you wouldnt use a hammer to make a milkshake, so no one tool can be used in all situations. the rd1 has flaws. first, the rewind lever is gimmicky and dopey, but more importantly it gratuitously interferes with recording any type of movement photography. that bugs me. alot. there are framelines for only 3 FLs and there absolutely needs to be a fourth for using a telephoto lens, anything in the 75-90mm range as it tops out at 50mm. thats just not close enough for many outdoor situations. that bothers me. alot. it has zero metering control, its metering is off (mine by around 1 stop) and is intentionally off-center. that bothers me, not alot, but some. its 1600 top iso is naturally limiting; thats life. for lowlight, i use another tool. its not at all 'stealthy'--its bigger than most digis and its shutter thwacks solidly and loudly. if i want stealth, i use another tool. battery life, card limitations, i dont care about so much.
EPILOGUE
so the rd1 taught me that yes, i can be happy manually focusing a digital camera! it taught me that i was not in fact a camera nymphomaniac. turns out i was looking for more than great images, more than analogue controls. i was looking for a communion between these and viewfinder/ focusing bliss--an optical experience that didnt obscure my scene or force me off my composition. i found my manual focusing happiness here at epson; i hope you find yours.
at 1600 with summarit 50@F2 do you need/want better than this?
at 1600 with biogon 35@f2.8
can you get sharper than this biogon shot?
_________________ Epson RD1 + Elmarit 21/2.8; Summarit 50/1.5; Summarit 75/2.5; Elmar-c 90/4; Sankyo Komura 135/2.8, Hektor 135/4.5; Braun Paxina 29 6x6; Photax Boyer Paris; Holga 120 Pano
GREAT STUFF FOR SALE:
Contax T
Hasselblad XPan + 45/4, 90/4
Kodak Retina Reflex IV + full set of Schneider Krueznach lenses
Mercury 2 half frame 35mm
Kodak Pro slr/n
Fuji GM670+100/3.5+65/8!
Praktisix 6x6 medium format + ZeissBiometar 120/2.8
Bessa T 101 Anniversary Edition in Navy Blue
Mamiya Six Folder with Zuiko 75/3.5
Adaptall: Tamron SP 28-85 macro
Cameras: Canon IX
PM for more complete descriptions/pix. All in great shape!
_________________________
'buy me a drink, sing me a song,
take me as i come 'cause i can't stay long' |
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15685
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2014 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
IQ looks the same as my old Nikon d50. But if you like it... _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6624 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 7:07 am Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Nice report Tony, thanks I'm sure I'll buy one in the future as well as I really like using rangefinders (IQ of the a7 is pointless if you can focus using the evf in daylight). _________________ Graham - Moderator
Shooter of choice: Fujifilm X-T20 with M42, PB and C/Y lenses
See my Flickr photos at http://www.flickr.com/photos/manualfocus-g |
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cyrano
Joined: 15 Feb 2013 Posts: 855 Location: UK
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 10:08 am Post subject: |
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cyrano wrote:
You'll find the colours are a strong feature of this sensor. As you say, it's film like, there's just 'something' there with these cameras. I don't mind the rewind lever, I'm used to them anyway and it means you take more time over your shots,no real bad issue then. _________________ A whole bunch of stuff. |
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rbelyell
Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 4269 Location: somewhere in the mountains of central NY
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 11:47 am Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
thanks.
graham: you can get some really good deals on these. i got mine for half of what an m8 is going for. i toyed with the idea of an m8, but it has .68 vf vs 1:1 on rd1 which i think makes it harder to focus and less pleasurable to see. plus it always shows two sets of framelines vs rd1 only showing one. i find two sets very distracting--its what turned me off m mount film cams. the rd1 just has none of the view/focusing frustrations of other digis ive used, and boy ive used alot!
as for the rewind knob, like many things a matter of taste. i understand slowing down, but the tool should not force that action, the photographer should. thats how i see it. plus its totally gratuitous. i tried to take a bird in flight and managed two shots til it was out of range. with any other cam ive had gotten 4-6 off. but like i said, if i need action i use another tool. _________________ Epson RD1 + Elmarit 21/2.8; Summarit 50/1.5; Summarit 75/2.5; Elmar-c 90/4; Sankyo Komura 135/2.8, Hektor 135/4.5; Braun Paxina 29 6x6; Photax Boyer Paris; Holga 120 Pano
GREAT STUFF FOR SALE:
Contax T
Hasselblad XPan + 45/4, 90/4
Kodak Retina Reflex IV + full set of Schneider Krueznach lenses
Mercury 2 half frame 35mm
Kodak Pro slr/n
Fuji GM670+100/3.5+65/8!
Praktisix 6x6 medium format + ZeissBiometar 120/2.8
Bessa T 101 Anniversary Edition in Navy Blue
Mamiya Six Folder with Zuiko 75/3.5
Adaptall: Tamron SP 28-85 macro
Cameras: Canon IX
PM for more complete descriptions/pix. All in great shape!
_________________________
'buy me a drink, sing me a song,
take me as i come 'cause i can't stay long' |
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Rick1779
Joined: 17 May 2013 Posts: 1207 Location: Italy
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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Rick1779 wrote:
what's the use of the rewind lever on digital? _________________ TELLTALE
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rbelyell
Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 4269 Location: somewhere in the mountains of central NY
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
there is none. hence my criticism. _________________ Epson RD1 + Elmarit 21/2.8; Summarit 50/1.5; Summarit 75/2.5; Elmar-c 90/4; Sankyo Komura 135/2.8, Hektor 135/4.5; Braun Paxina 29 6x6; Photax Boyer Paris; Holga 120 Pano
GREAT STUFF FOR SALE:
Contax T
Hasselblad XPan + 45/4, 90/4
Kodak Retina Reflex IV + full set of Schneider Krueznach lenses
Mercury 2 half frame 35mm
Kodak Pro slr/n
Fuji GM670+100/3.5+65/8!
Praktisix 6x6 medium format + ZeissBiometar 120/2.8
Bessa T 101 Anniversary Edition in Navy Blue
Mamiya Six Folder with Zuiko 75/3.5
Adaptall: Tamron SP 28-85 macro
Cameras: Canon IX
PM for more complete descriptions/pix. All in great shape!
_________________________
'buy me a drink, sing me a song,
take me as i come 'cause i can't stay long' |
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kuuan
Joined: 14 Jan 2008 Posts: 4573 Location: right now: Austria
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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kuuan wrote:
heartfelt congrats Tony that you found 'your' tool! and thank you for your technically detailed and at the same time personal report!
I believe that the sensor of the RD-1 is the same 6MP Sony CCD sensor as found on Nikon D40 and Pentax *ist and K100. I always have loved the results of my *iistDs.
The GXR feels like home to me but I hear you can imagine that me too would enjoy the viewfinder experience of the RD-1 most likely much more than any live view and enlarging for focusing. Size and weight still may favor the Ricoh for my use roaming the world, but your report make me think that eventually I may get an RD-1 to feel some of the same bliss
Enjoy this gem of a camera, and share more of it with us
thank you _________________ my photos on flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/kuuan/collections |
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rbelyell
Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 4269 Location: somewhere in the mountains of central NY
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Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 2:11 am Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
thanks andreas. yes, i do think you in particular would be excited using this tool for its utter simplicity and not 'getting in the way'.
btw, i know the sensor is ccd--i didnt know sony made a ccd sensor... _________________ Epson RD1 + Elmarit 21/2.8; Summarit 50/1.5; Summarit 75/2.5; Elmar-c 90/4; Sankyo Komura 135/2.8, Hektor 135/4.5; Braun Paxina 29 6x6; Photax Boyer Paris; Holga 120 Pano
GREAT STUFF FOR SALE:
Contax T
Hasselblad XPan + 45/4, 90/4
Kodak Retina Reflex IV + full set of Schneider Krueznach lenses
Mercury 2 half frame 35mm
Kodak Pro slr/n
Fuji GM670+100/3.5+65/8!
Praktisix 6x6 medium format + ZeissBiometar 120/2.8
Bessa T 101 Anniversary Edition in Navy Blue
Mamiya Six Folder with Zuiko 75/3.5
Adaptall: Tamron SP 28-85 macro
Cameras: Canon IX
PM for more complete descriptions/pix. All in great shape!
_________________________
'buy me a drink, sing me a song,
take me as i come 'cause i can't stay long' |
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7785 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 3:08 am Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
in the MP bragging war the Epson is never going to win, but it's obviously a class act.
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/epson-rd1.shtml
and any camera that brings the joy of capturing images we are proud of has to be good, whatever camera that might be. _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
I have loads of stuff that I have to get rid of, if you see me commenting about something I have got and you want one, ask me.
My Flickr https://www.flickr.com/photos/mudplugga/
My ipernity -
http://www.ipernity.com/home/294337 |
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kuuan
Joined: 14 Jan 2008 Posts: 4573 Location: right now: Austria
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Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 3:27 am Post subject: |
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kuuan wrote:
rbelyell wrote: |
thanks andreas. yes, i do think you in particular would be excited using this tool for its utter simplicity and not 'getting in the way'.
btw, i know the sensor is ccd--i didnt know sony made a ccd sensor... |
thank you Tony, you seem to understand me right I don't mind e.g. the slowness of the GXR, I more and more enjoy that moment of wait between takes
the process of taking photo for me counts most, how the camera and it's use 'feel', same is true for lenses.
yes, as *istDs user ( which has the same sensor as the *istD mentioned in the quote below ) in forums I had frequented then the info that this sensor, that many had liked, was the same for the mentioned cameras had come up quite often. That the Nikon also had the same sensor could have been wrong though, quote: "The R-D1 and R-D1s has the same sensor as that of the D100 and Pentax *ist D (Sony ICX413AQ) whereas the D70 has a Sony ICX453AK and the D40 a Sony ICX453AQ. Not sure about the suffix -AK or -AQ though, so perhaps the D70 and D40 have the same sensor." ( from: http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70556&page=15 )
Only once I had the joy to handle a RD-1, some years ago here in Japan when I met 'Mamoro-san'. A memorable experience it was, what a great photographer and very kind person! He then used a Pentax MF film camera for his landscape photography and a Epson RD-1 for any other, I think one can see the joy he is feeling Fun lenses he used too, Mamoro-san and his Epson RD-1, taken with my *istDs and S-M-C 1.4/50:
have fun, andreas _________________ my photos on flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/kuuan/collections |
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16544 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 10:29 am Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
I always liked my RD-1 and I still regret having sold it and all the great lenses I had for it.
Had I only know that mirrorless cameras would be coming... sigghhh _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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