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kido
Joined: 06 Jun 2013 Posts: 105 Location: Chile
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 7:29 pm Post subject: Ensinor & Promaster 24mm f/2.8 - cheap'n'wide delight |
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kido wrote:
I've been looking for a cheap, decent 24mm or wider lens and one of the suggestions I received (thank you Lloydy) was the Ensinor 24mm f/2.8 or one of its equivalent incarnations.
http://forum.mflenses.com/wide-lens-for-close-distance-action-photography-t66056.html
At the time I've found two auctions that were starting at reasonable prices, posted my bid in each... and accidentally won both. This way I became a proud owner of the Ensinor (M42) and Promaster 24mm f/2.8 (Nikon mount) .
Even though both look roughly as same lens with different badges, there are quite a few differences in its appearance. The front element is much more protruding on the Ensinor, the coating differs in coloring, there appear to be some internal differences as well and the serial numbers are separated by a mere 7.8M (if that means anything).
Physical differences aside, both perform in similar way. Haven't done any scientific comparison but both cover roughly the same FOV. When pixel peeping I got the impression that the Promaster is a tad sharper and handles the CA slightly better, but these conclusions are yet to be confirmed.
Being that the same lens or two completely different optical solutions, I love both. I really expected much less for what I paid. Both are sharp enough, focus from much closer than I'll ever need, handle the adverse light bravely and produce the kind of bokeh that appeals to me. I couldn't be happier
Haven't really used it much for the purpose mentioned in the original thread, nevertheless, here are a few samples. Some came from the Ensinor, some from the Promaster. Some were cropped, some were not. Most were shot at wide open.
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#6
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#8
#9 - f/5.6 I think
#10
#11 at f/11
#12
#13 against the setting sun
#14
#15
#16 - f/5.6 if I remember correctly
#17 - aperture same as the above
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I think that's the Ozone made lens, but it looks to be as good a performer as the Ensinor made by Cimko. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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Nordentro
Joined: 24 Jun 2010 Posts: 4713 Location: Lillehammer, Norway
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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Nordentro wrote:
Looks great! Congratz...
Sigma has a similar 24mm in Pentax K mount _________________ Lars | Manuellfokus.no |
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7785 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
My Clubman is the same as the Promaster, the serial No is K8400+++. I have a Tefnon 24 / 2.8 non macro that I think is a different manufacturer - but it also looks older so it might be a different generation ?
Just to confuse the "who the hell made these lenses?" theorists among us, I recently sold a Super Paragon that some people say is the same as these Clubman, Promaster etc - but that was almost certainly a Cimko, it was different in so many respects. And....the Clubman 28 / 2.8 non macro that's on my desk is possibly a Cimko, maybe a Tokina?
But whatever, the 24 / 2.8 macro is a nice little lens. _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
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kido
Joined: 06 Jun 2013 Posts: 105 Location: Chile
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 3:49 am Post subject: |
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kido wrote:
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
I think that's the Ozone made lens, but it looks to be as good a performer as the Ensinor made by Cimko. |
Lloydy wrote: |
but that was almost certainly a Cimko, it was different in so many respects. |
Just out of curiosity, how do you tell Ozone from Cimko? Anyone care to share some photos?
Lloydy wrote: |
Just to confuse the 'who the hell made these lenses?' theorists among us |
Hehe... I just realized that the majority of my lens 'collection' is of unknown or at least uncertain origin. Boy, am I cheap
Nordentro wrote: |
Looks great! Congratz... |
Thanks! _________________ [C&C] on my pictures are most welcomed. |
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7785 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:21 am Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
Cimko seem to be very consistent with using the unequal green diamond as the focusing mark.
_________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
I have loads of stuff that I have to get rid of, if you see me commenting about something I have got and you want one, ask me.
My Flickr https://www.flickr.com/photos/mudplugga/
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kido
Joined: 06 Jun 2013 Posts: 105 Location: Chile
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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kido wrote:
Lloydy wrote: |
Cimko seem to be very consistent with using the unequal green diamond as the focusing mark. |
Got it, thanks! _________________ [C&C] on my pictures are most welcomed. |
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RSalles
Joined: 12 Aug 2012 Posts: 1373 Location: Brazil - RS / South
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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RSalles wrote:
Certainly a lot of lens for the money.
Myself also, after watching this pics had run to ebay to see if I could find a copy but, no luck, only 2.8/28, which is not the case,
Renato |
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dnf_spedition
Joined: 18 Apr 2009 Posts: 64 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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dnf_spedition wrote:
Picture #16 is so funny Have lots of fun with your lenses and your cats. |
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bernhardas
Joined: 01 Jan 2013 Posts: 1437
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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bernhardas wrote:
Edited
Last edited by bernhardas on Sun Jul 03, 2016 12:01 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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kido
Joined: 06 Jun 2013 Posts: 105 Location: Chile
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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kido wrote:
RSalles wrote: |
Certainly a lot of lens for the money.
Myself also, after watching this pics had run to ebay to see if I could find a copy but, no luck |
It may take a while but you'll eventually get it, and get it cheap. It was sold under many brands, these are the ones that I managed to find searching the web (there are probably more):
Ensinor
Promaster (usually very expensive, don't know why)
Super Ozeck
SICOR-XL
Clubman
Ozunon
Super Paragon
Tefnon (*EDIT* - this one looks similar but apparently it's been made by Kobori and is a completely different lens)
It's also worth your while to search on .co.uk or .de, since ebay search engine became pretty bad these days. Even changing your shipping address to one in different country can make some new items appear.
dnf_spedition wrote: |
Picture #16 is so funny |
Haha, glad you liked it. That's exactly what I bought this lens for Now, if I could only purchase some spare time, I'd certainly have more pictures to share
dnf_spedition wrote: |
Have lots of fun with your lenses and your cats. |
bernhardas wrote: |
Great pictures #15 is my favorite |
Thank you guys. _________________ [C&C] on my pictures are most welcomed.
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7785 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
I think the Super Paragon might possibly be the same, but every Super Paragon I've seen is different and a Cimko, but Super Paragon / Paragon was the house brand of a UK company called Photax, and they might well have sourced lenses from different manufacturers. _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57849 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Excellent noname lens, well known to me, congrats!! _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15685
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Tefnon was the house brand of Kobori so the Tefnon one is probably made by Kobori. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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Mark
Joined: 01 Dec 2012 Posts: 251 Location: Budapest, Hungary
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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Mark wrote:
Nice images, the apple is really stunning! _________________ Latest post on my blog (no new posts):
http://lightbeam-photography.blogspot.hu/2013/10/sword-lilies.html |
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Newfie
Joined: 04 Mar 2014 Posts: 242 Location: Austin, Texas
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Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 2:53 am Post subject: |
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Newfie wrote:
Very nice lenses. Not to be fooled, I have the 28mm version made by Cimko (3rd version) as well as the Ensinor 24mm.
They both are tak sharp and very pleasing bokeh. Here is the Cimko 28mm third version
Regards,
Gavin _________________ Photography - What a ride
Accura Supertel 135/2.8 PRESET ,Soligor 135mm/ f2.8 Preset, Soligor 135mm/f3.5 Preset (Tokina) Soligor 135mm/2.8 Preset (Tameron) Super Lentar 35mm/ f2,8 Preset (Tokina) Auto Chinon 35/ f2.8, Ensinor 24mm/ f2.8, Ensinor 135mm/ f2.8, Helios 40-2 85mm/ f 1.5, Helios 44-6 58mm/ f2.0, Pentacon 50mm/ f1.8, Spiratone 28mm/3.5, Spiratone 105mm/ 2.5, Vivitar Series 1 70-210 (Kiron) , SMC Tak 55mm/1.8, Cimko 28mm/ f2.8 Macro, Accura Supertel 105mm/ f2.4, Sun 38-90/ f3.5 Y/S Zoom, , Soligor 35-105/ f 3.5 Zoom (Tokina) , Access 28-70 P-MC / f2.8-4.2, , , Paragon 11 28mm / f2.8 Macro, Aetna Rokunar 28mm / f2.8 Macro |
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kido
Joined: 06 Jun 2013 Posts: 105 Location: Chile
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Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 4:15 am Post subject: |
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kido wrote:
Lloydy wrote: |
I think the Super Paragon might possibly be the same, but every Super Paragon I've seen is different and a Cimko, but Super Paragon / Paragon was the house brand of a UK company called Photax, and they might well have sourced lenses from different manufacturers. |
I've found this post:
http://forum.mflenses.com/looking-for-24mm-lens-advice-needed-t42561,start,30.html#1164278
where Super Paragon looks pretty much the same as my Ensinor. So I guess you are right in saying they sourced lenses from different manufacturers. Maybe the letters PMC II on the front ring are suggesting different versions/generations ?
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
Tefnon was the house brand of Kobori so the Tefnon one is probably made by Kobori. |
You're right. I've found this thread, started by no one else but Lloydy:
http://forum.mflenses.com/tefnon-24-f2-8-t43335.html
Looks similar but not the same. I guess I should take it off the list then.
Mark wrote: |
Nice images, the apple is really stunning! |
Thank you, I really appreciate it.
A few more samples:
#18 - almost got it right
#19
#20
#21
#22
#23 - 1/250th clearly not enough... but I like it anyway
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