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Farside
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 Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 2:10 am Post subject: Re: :( |
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If you call it "going off on someone" when a seller asks why a buyer left a poor feedback comment after the seller made every effort to give the best service possible, then I guess you never stick up for yourself and let people walk all over you. |
Point made, I think. It looks like you just can't help it. I'll add you to my 'ignored' sellers list.
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Our government has kept us in a perpetual state of fear - kept us in a continuous stampede of pseudo patriotic fervor - with the cries of grave national emergency. always there has been some terrible evil to gobble us up if we did not blindly rally behind it by furnishing the exorbitant funds demanded. Yet, in retrospect, these disasters seem never to have happened, seem never to have been quite real. - General Douglas McArthur
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence, clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary. - H.L.Mencken
The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.
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Farside
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| Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 5:13 pm Post subject: Re: :( |
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| waltz78 wrote: | | Farside wrote: | | waltz78 wrote: |
If you call it "going off on someone" when a seller asks why a buyer left a poor feedback comment after the seller made every effort to give the best service possible, then I guess you never stick up for yourself and let people walk all over you. |
Point made, I think. It looks like you just can't help it. I'll add you to my 'ignored' sellers list. |
Please give me your eBay user name so that I can add you to my blocked bidder list and recommend my friends to do likewise.
Unless you are not self-confident enough, like I have been to come here and defend myself. Or if you can't take the same judgments that you're passing on me. |
Very clumsy try. I think the world now sees what kind of seller they'd be dealing with. It's not when things go right, it's what a seller does when things go wrong that really counts and you have an epic fail on that score. Pete's sake, all you had to do was shut up and say 'sorry' about the crap packing.
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The Lenses of Farside
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Our government has kept us in a perpetual state of fear - kept us in a continuous stampede of pseudo patriotic fervor - with the cries of grave national emergency. always there has been some terrible evil to gobble us up if we did not blindly rally behind it by furnishing the exorbitant funds demanded. Yet, in retrospect, these disasters seem never to have happened, seem never to have been quite real. - General Douglas McArthur
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence, clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary. - H.L.Mencken
The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.
Herman Goering at the Nuremberg Trial |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007
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Location: Budapest,Hungary
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| Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 5:23 pm Post subject: Re: :( |
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| Farside wrote: | | waltz78 wrote: | | Farside wrote: | | waltz78 wrote: |
If you call it "going off on someone" when a seller asks why a buyer left a poor feedback comment after the seller made every effort to give the best service possible, then I guess you never stick up for yourself and let people walk all over you. |
Point made, I think. It looks like you just can't help it. I'll add you to my 'ignored' sellers list. |
Please give me your eBay user name so that I can add you to my blocked bidder list and recommend my friends to do likewise.
Unless you are not self-confident enough, like I have been to come here and defend myself. Or if you can't take the same judgments that you're passing on me. |
Very clumsy try. I think the world now sees what kind of seller they'd be dealing with. It's not when things go right, it's what a seller does when things go wrong that really counts and you have an epic fail on that score. Pete's sake, all you had to do was shut up and say 'sorry' about the crap packing. |
Dave finally did close this conversation with short summary what is true really. Have to say sorry and shut up if packing was crap. Packing and sending always seller responsibility no excuse in any case.
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 8:53 pm Post subject: Re: :( |
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| waltz78 wrote: | | Attila wrote: |
Dave finally did close this conversation with short summary what is true really. Have to say sorry and shut up if packing was crap. Packing and sending always seller responsibility no excuse in any case. |
Attila, I love you you are a great guy, I have been on these forum for years (under different names, etc.) and I always enjoy your posts -- but do you just agree with whomever made the last point, and make a reply to boost your post count? What about the point I made about the buyer not contacting me at all? Or any of the other points I brought up that you agreed on? |
Buyer made big mistake to not contact to you that for sure and if he was angry from beginning instead of try to get right resolution with you to solve problem also was a big mistake. My conclusion from this story as I said before I never help in shipping to anybody with weak packaging I suggest to you this way to avoid similar conflicts. As I told before I received neutral feedback for overcharged shipping costs 
I suggest to you being us more actively not just a reader and hopefully we know more from each other and you will don't have any conflict at least from this forum.
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Attila
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Not easy with people that for sure. People has 100% different point of view almost in any case.
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Farside
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| Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 1:17 am Post subject: Re: :( |
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But packaging was not crap, that's the whole point. The 300+ other buyers to whom I sent items in packaging like that gave me EXCELLENT feedback because I saved them money, yet still got their items to them quickly and safely. You're just far too ignorant to understand anything but your own ideas.
Things only "went wrong" because the buyer didn't handle the situation properly. I respond in kind. If he had contacted me before leaving feedback, he would've gotten a very nice, caring reply where in I would've been sorry for how he received his lens, and offered some kind of compensation. Would you like to see the 4 or 5 other emails I've written in that apologetic, kind tone when buyers talked to me that way, in the rare cases something else went wrong? Of course you don't, because you have your head too far up your arse to see the light of day! 
You can keep living in your world of prejudices and ignorances. Hell, I won't even pretend I'm that much better than you. But at least when a conversation is being had, I address all the points properly, instead of relying on my ignorance to (poorly) make my points for me. So I guess you'll never understand... |
Right, so it's all the buyer's fault. Uhuh.
And you denied getting any bad feedback about lousy packing. Uhuh.
Pity about that nuisance of a feedback record, isn't it? If that wasn't there you could plausibly deny everything. As I said before, we now see you for what you are. You aren't a seller - you're just a guy who sells stuff. A real seller takes notice of feedback and doesn't immediately jump all over people who might have a complaint. A real seller tries to improve his ways of doing business and increase customer satisfaction.
By the way - if you want to start swearing like a jerk, and trading personal insults, take it to PM and don't foul the forum with your dockside language. I'm not impressed.
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The Lenses of Farside
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Our government has kept us in a perpetual state of fear - kept us in a continuous stampede of pseudo patriotic fervor - with the cries of grave national emergency. always there has been some terrible evil to gobble us up if we did not blindly rally behind it by furnishing the exorbitant funds demanded. Yet, in retrospect, these disasters seem never to have happened, seem never to have been quite real. - General Douglas McArthur
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence, clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary. - H.L.Mencken
The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.
Herman Goering at the Nuremberg Trial |
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kichkas_victim
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| Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 2:31 pm Post subject: Re: EBAY, nasty sellers to avoid. |
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Bad Ebay seller:
 mvd0807 , kichkas4214, and now world_antique
Ukrainian seller, I never received the parcel, nor did I receive any money refund (though I paid with Paypal).
EDIT:
Real identity of this BAD seller is:
Marina V D........k , in Zaporijja/Zaporizhzhya city, Ukrainia. (I can provide the full name in PM if requested).
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Attila
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| Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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Pretty bad! Sorry about that!
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rawhead
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Anybody know about "russianarsenal" ??
I don't know if they're just being lazy but...
Click here to see on Ebay
I kindly sent them a message saying that what they have there are Volna-3s not Volna-9s, and so they should change the title, besides the fact that Volna-3s (or, currently known as Arsat 80/2.8s) can be bought for $40 new, so 3 for $169 isn't a deal at all, and yet, no reply and no changing of the title... dishonest? Trying to lure in ppl who want Volna-9 but don't know what it looks like?
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Farside
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Also, they are K88 screwmount, so no great bargain even at 40usd.
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The Lenses of Farside
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Our government has kept us in a perpetual state of fear - kept us in a continuous stampede of pseudo patriotic fervor - with the cries of grave national emergency. always there has been some terrible evil to gobble us up if we did not blindly rally behind it by furnishing the exorbitant funds demanded. Yet, in retrospect, these disasters seem never to have happened, seem never to have been quite real. - General Douglas McArthur
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence, clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary. - H.L.Mencken
The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.
Herman Goering at the Nuremberg Trial |
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rawhead
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| Farside wrote: | | Also, they are K88 screwmount, so no great bargain even at 40usd. |
Great point, I missed that part; that would've added an extra 10-15USD in costs (K88-P6 adapter) to make it useful! Bastards!  
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sichko
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| rawhead wrote: | | ...besides the fact that Volna-3s (or, currently known as Arsat 80/2.8s) can be bought for $40 new... |
Where ?
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rawhead
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| sichko wrote: | | rawhead wrote: | | ...besides the fact that Volna-3s (or, currently known as Arsat 80/2.8s) can be bought for $40 new... |
Where ? |
Hmmmm, could've sworn I saw that price somewhere... KievCamera or Araxfoto... maybe I was mistaken. Hartblei.com has them for $60 a piece
http://hartblei.com/price_list.htm
Still, much better deal than a set of 3 used Volna-3s in Kiev-88 mount.
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sichko
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OK. Thanks.
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loksi67
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bad seller:
gabaldy / luigigab
I´ve bid for an item. one day after item is sold to another member, he wrote me - but he isn´t the seller
is here anybody who can perfect translate german to english?
here´s the email:
Hallo,
ich bin der Verkäufer des Artikels : XXX (Ursprüngliche Artikelnummer: XXX). Sie haben auf diesen auch geboten. In Kooperation mit eBay, und weil der Höchstbieter die Transaktion nicht beenden konnte, möchte ich Ihnen einen Angebot unterbreiten. Falls Sie doch noch Interesse hätten, kontaktieren Sie mich doch bitte auf meine persönliche E-Mail Adresse: xxx@hotmail.com
Über eine Meldung würde ich mich sehr freuen, um Ihnen den nächsten Schritt mitteilen zu können.Falls Sie sonstige Fragen haben, zögern Sie nicht mich an meine direkte E-Mail Adresse anzuschreiben: xxx@hotmail.com
Sollten Sie keine Interesse mehr haben, möchte ich mich entschuldigen und würde Sie bitten diese E-Mail zu löschen.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
xxx
- gabaldy
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