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texsport
Joined: 12 Feb 2013 Posts: 53
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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texsport wrote:
I searched for this threat for guidance with a current eBay transaction.
I bought a lens listed as Mint in the original box, from a seller claiming to be a photographer who purchased the lens from a famous professional photographer.
I paid a premium price thru Buy it Now.
I received the lens and realized the aperture ring was frozen. This was a preset lens, and the focusing aperture ring works, but the aperture set ring is frozen. So, no great expertise was exhibited to back up the seller's lens description. Clearly, he may have made an honest mistake, but it wasn't based on expertise.
I went to the original transaction and tried to send a message to the seller. I said I received the lens and it was a beauty, but it had a problem. I proposed that I get a repair estimate and we split the expense, as I liked the lens. As an alternate, I'd return the lens for a refund.
1st response from seller offered no apology but immediately castigated me for opening a case, which would hurt his rating, if he issued a refund. He asked me to close the case and he'd "work" with me. He lectured me on eBay etiquette.
I responded that I wasn't intending to hurt his rating, and didn't appreciate being accused of bad intentions when his item was the problem, and I had made, what I thought, was a generous solution.
I then offered to just keep the lens, repair it myself, and just rate the transaction. That's 3 suggested solutions from me - zero from the seller.
2nd response from seller, said he would work with me, as long as I remained civil.
I responded that his definition of civil was strange, as he was again attacking me. Said my offer to split repair costs, with no demand for full refund was more than civil.
To this point, seller has offered no solution - only accusations over concern for his seller's rating.
Sorry to vent, but sellers like this need to be avoided.
I'll update this with a final conclusion.
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philslizzy
Joined: 07 Aug 2012 Posts: 4748 Location: Cheshire, England
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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philslizzy wrote:
Never open a case immediately. This is not a good thing to do as he may have made an honest mistake. Opening a case takes your payment back off him. No wonder he was miffed.
You don't say the name of the seller, it is useful and un-googleable in this forum so what you say is private to this community. _________________ Hero in the 'messin-with-cameras-for-the-hell-of-it department'. Official. |
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texsport
Joined: 12 Feb 2013 Posts: 53
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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texsport wrote:
EBay opened a file automatically when I sent a message to the seller, answering the questions posed by eBay. Could be because he has some previous negative feedback. I simply went to the sale and hit the Contact The Seller button.
I did not do that intentionally, and eBay doesn't open an arbitration until the seller has a chance to respond.
BTW - a pretty serious mistake - a ring on the lens is frozen - hard to miss if you even looked.
Additionally, I have no responsibility to protect his rating when he sends out falsely advertised goods after demanding a premium price - and particularly when additionally insulted behind the barrier of anonymity offered by the internet.
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Gardener
Joined: 22 Sep 2013 Posts: 950 Location: USA
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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Gardener wrote:
philslizzy wrote: |
Never open a case immediately. |
The way it's done on e-bay nowadays case is opened almost every time you contact a seller. You really need to know what you are doing to avoid opening a case and hardly any casual buyer knows how to do it. The funny thing is - it is completely counterproductive - once a case is opened, seller's rating is dinged in any case, so it does not really matter for him any more how it all plays out. |
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peterqd
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 7448 Location: near High Wycombe, UK
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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peterqd wrote:
What lens is it? Some preset lenses have mechanisms which aren't always easy to fathom, for instance Pentacon 135.
Maybe we can help. _________________ Peter - Moderator |
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Pancolart
Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 3693 Location: Slovenia, EU
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Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
I think soon we will require a list of nasty buyers. I understand Ebay cannot deal with every case individually but there should be lower limit to extortion attempts. _________________ ---------------------------------
The Peculiar Apparatus Of Victorian Steampunk Photography: 100+ Genuine Steampunk Camera Designs https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B92829NS |
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texsport
Joined: 12 Feb 2013 Posts: 53
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Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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texsport wrote:
Gardener wrote: |
philslizzy wrote: |
Never open a case immediately. |
The way it's done on e-bay nowadays case is opened almost every time you contact a seller. You really need to know what you are doing to avoid opening a case and hardly any casual buyer knows how to do it. The funny thing is - it is completely counterproductive - once a case is opened, seller's rating is dinged in any case, so it does not really matter for him any more how it all plays out. |
That's what apparently happened, as I am certainly no eBay expert who might study every rule and technique out of necessity from frequent use or to run a business.
EBay should be encouraged to fix the automatic actions if thought to be detrimental to sellers.
In this case, common sense should have prevailed. I offered 3 options. The first was over generous on my part and offered on a friendly basis. The other two will cost the seller money in the long run - either by having to refund and then have the lens repaired at his expense, or, by having a negative response posted by me, the buyer.
I was so mad yesterday, I was just deciding which of the second two I'd execute, and see how that worked out for the seller.
Sorry for his rating concerns, but I was innocent of initially attempting to hurt him.
Today I'm rethinking the whole matter.
Another possibility is just keeping the lens, repairing it myself, and never posting a transaction rating. |
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texsport
Joined: 12 Feb 2013 Posts: 53
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Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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texsport wrote:
peterqd wrote: |
What lens is it? Some preset lenses have mechanisms which aren't always easy to fathom, for instance Pentacon 135.
Maybe we can help. |
I have another copy of the same lens, so I know how it works. |
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texsport
Joined: 12 Feb 2013 Posts: 53
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Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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texsport wrote:
Pancolart wrote: |
I think soon we will require a list of nasty buyers. I understand Ebay cannot deal with every case individually but there should be lower limit to extortion attempts. |
Really!
Did you read the post?
You characterize as nasty, and attempting to extort the seller, my offer to pay for half of the repairs on a broken lens sold at a premium price?
My exact first communication with the seller...
" Hi, I received your lens and it's a beauty! There is a problem however - the aperture preset ring is stuck. I like the lens and would like to keep it. I have another copy of the identical lens, and when I got it, it had the same problem. Last time it cost me $109 to have it fixed, but I can't be sure of exact repairs required this time. If I get a repair estimate, would you be willing to split the repair costs with me? If that isn't satisfactory, I'll have to ask to return the lens for a refund."
Sellers first response...
" Hello, First of all, why did you open a case against me? This hurts my sellers rating! close the case immediately, and I'll work it out..........
No offer or solution has yet been offered by the seller.
Astounding comment by you!
I'm sure you mean nasty seller.
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philslizzy
Joined: 07 Aug 2012 Posts: 4748 Location: Cheshire, England
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Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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philslizzy wrote:
If you want to contact the seller and avoid opening a case, view the original listing and 'ask the seller a question' or do a search for his ebay name and PM him. _________________ Hero in the 'messin-with-cameras-for-the-hell-of-it department'. Official. |
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texsport
Joined: 12 Feb 2013 Posts: 53
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Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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texsport wrote:
I had the lens fixed myself. Cost was $88.85.
Dropped the case I didn't open.
Will not rate the transaction except in self defense.
Life's too short to deal with these kind of people unnecessarily!
Nearly 1,000 eBay transactions with no cases filed or a single problem until this for me. Seller has two really nasty negative reports, which I wont add to - but probably should!
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texsport
Joined: 12 Feb 2013 Posts: 53
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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texsport wrote:
philslizzy wrote: |
If you want to contact the seller and avoid opening a case, view the original listing and 'ask the seller a question' or do a search for his ebay name and PM him. |
That's exactly what I did, but EBAY opened a case - not me.
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57849 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
I had also more trouble with sellers than buyers , I purchase and sell lot of items after test. Sad to hear your story , important to keep Ebay safe to both party buyers and sellers. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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caledonia84
Joined: 06 Feb 2013 Posts: 203 Location: Glasgow
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Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2014 5:43 pm Post subject: Rubivantis (avoid) |
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caledonia84 wrote:
Having a bit of trouble on ebay with this seller Rubivantis http://www.ebay.co.uk/usr/rubivantis?_trksid=p2047675.l2559 . A new seller with only 3 positive feedback transactions. He was selling a Helios 40 and Jupiter 9, knowing the Helios would rise out of my price range I focused on the Jupiter 9 which I won. He stated delivery would be 1st class signed for posted 1 day after payment. well 1 week later I still don't have the lens (internal uk delivery) I've contacted the seller 4 times with no reply.
the Helios sold also and I now notice he has recieved negative feedback, he has turned all feedback to private so I cant see what the other buyers issue was. Doing a bit more research the images he was using for both lenses are taken from the internet and not his own.
I still want the lens, so opened up a case due to having no comms from the seller telling him if the lens is not here by Monday I'll expect a full refund.
I suspect he'll just close this account make a new one and do this again. _________________ http://www.flickr.com/photos/caledonia84/
Current cameras
Sony A7riii, fuji x100t.
Lenses
M42 - Helios 44m x 2 44m-4, Helios 40 - 2, Mamiya Sekor 55mm f1.8, Super Takumar 50mm f1.4, Soligor 400mm f6.3, Zeiss Flektogon 35mm f2.4 Soligor 300mm f5.6, pancolar, 50mm f1.8, Orestor 135mm f2.8.
OM - Zuiko 50mm f1.8, Zuiko 50mm f1.4 x2
m39 - Jupiter 8 50mm f2
C/Y ML 50mm f1.4. DSB 28mm f2.8
Minolta MD - 35-70mm f3.5, Minolta 50mm f1.7 100mm f3.5.
Canon - 50mm f1.8, Elicar 90mm f2.5 macro
C Mount - Fujian 35mm f1.7
Fujica X - Porst 50mm f1.2, porst ww macro 28mm f2.8
Pentax K - Porst 50mm f1.4, Ricoh Rikenon 28mm f2.8.
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philslizzy
Joined: 07 Aug 2012 Posts: 4748 Location: Cheshire, England
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Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2014 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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philslizzy wrote:
I had exactly the same problem, same 2 or 3 rating. Same no reply and same negs piling up. Ebay refunded me no problem. _________________ Hero in the 'messin-with-cameras-for-the-hell-of-it department'. Official. |
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caledonia84
Joined: 06 Feb 2013 Posts: 203 Location: Glasgow
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Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2014 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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caledonia84 wrote:
was that recently mate? I wonder if the same person is just recycling accounts, I managed to get his name and email address from the paypal transaction, it was henri vartiainen and the delivery was from woking surrey, I cant find him anywhere online so I'm assuming a false ID? _________________ http://www.flickr.com/photos/caledonia84/
Current cameras
Sony A7riii, fuji x100t.
Lenses
M42 - Helios 44m x 2 44m-4, Helios 40 - 2, Mamiya Sekor 55mm f1.8, Super Takumar 50mm f1.4, Soligor 400mm f6.3, Zeiss Flektogon 35mm f2.4 Soligor 300mm f5.6, pancolar, 50mm f1.8, Orestor 135mm f2.8.
OM - Zuiko 50mm f1.8, Zuiko 50mm f1.4 x2
m39 - Jupiter 8 50mm f2
C/Y ML 50mm f1.4. DSB 28mm f2.8
Minolta MD - 35-70mm f3.5, Minolta 50mm f1.7 100mm f3.5.
Canon - 50mm f1.8, Elicar 90mm f2.5 macro
C Mount - Fujian 35mm f1.7
Fujica X - Porst 50mm f1.2, porst ww macro 28mm f2.8
Pentax K - Porst 50mm f1.4, Ricoh Rikenon 28mm f2.8.
Raynox DCR 150 & 250 |
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Marek
Joined: 13 Apr 2014 Posts: 903 Location: In the heart of Europe
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Posted: Sat May 02, 2015 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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Marek wrote:
espunkt89, pretty sleazy cheater for a German, sold as used, reality was wreck, no communication, no good Ebay support whatsoever, ended up with my nasty feedback to seller, ended up robbed
I recommend to avoid the guy/madam for miles
Sent the item back before opening the case by mistake, the seller rejected the item but Ebay support claimed the tracking number is not trackable any more and recommended to re-send the item back to my sneaky dumb "business partner" once again which I couldnt fulfill because the case deadline ended before the item returned back to me
So if any of you know how to get my damn money back even after this shitty case progress, I will warmly invite a PM on this theme _________________ Angry young man !
Flickr | Juzaphoto | Ebay sales
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H deWitt
Joined: 02 Sep 2015 Posts: 1
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Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2015 11:25 pm Post subject: Darius Gholipour the Con-Man of Smethwick |
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H deWitt wrote:
After all this time it seems that the above person - now trading as letmeihelpyou on eBay is still a nasty thief.
Recently he bought a camera and lens off me. I posted it off but next day realised I had sent off the wrong camera and lens, one I was going to sell next.
I made the mistake of contacting him beforehand to warn him that I had sent out the wrong one and asked politely if he would send it back to me and I would of course re-imburse or pay up front for the postage etc.
He told me in no uncertain terms that I was stupid, illiterate and a con man and accused me of giving him an incorrect tracking number because there was no information on it??? It hadn't even been yet delivered !!! All this just for me being honest with the person.
Anyway, after this disgusting reply, I stood my ground and told him that as per eBay rules, he would now have to receive the package and take out an incorrect item received case against me, send the wrong one back and I would refund him.
WELL - what he actually did was, managed to get the camera I had sent him, keep it - and then take out an item not received case against me!!! Of course Paypal refunded his money. So now he gets twice what he originally bargained for. Somehow he managed to get the parcel without signing for it. Royal Mail are investigating but I don't hold out much hope.
I would urge you all not to do business with this person. He is arrogant, rude, unfeeling and downright positively evil with no moral scruples whatsoever. He will do absolutely anything to make quick buck. And to put it mildly, he can't even understand basic English and actually accused me of being racist! Same old.
Knock knock!
Who's there?
It's me Darius Gollypour |
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Marek
Joined: 13 Apr 2014 Posts: 903 Location: In the heart of Europe
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2015 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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Marek wrote:
surfcity25
Based in Germany.
Has feedback around 100% after hundreds of deals but absolutely lacks customer support if anything happens. Packs heavy items like an idiot.
This seller is like an overgrown child, not having a clue what selling responsibilities are.
Sells many lenses, definitely NOT recommended. And communication with him sucks. _________________ Angry young man !
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themoleman342
Joined: 21 Oct 2007 Posts: 2190 Location: East Coast (CT), U.S.A.
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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themoleman342 wrote:
Had an interesting interaction with "photosniper" from ebay.
They stole a picture I posted here on mflenses taken with a Jupiter 11A and Sony a850 for the "samples" section in their Jupiter 11 listing. Not even the same lens
I asked them to remove it and they responded by demanding proof that it was mine (asking me to send the RAW to their email...yeah, right) and asking why they should? I basically said if they had asked my permission beforehand and credited me I would have no issue with them using it but since they had done neither I would like it taken down. Again they demanded proof and said they didn't steal it, they downloaded it from "yandex" which is just a Russian search engine so it doesn't really absolve them. I felt it was unreasonable to need to prove it's my work to them but I would happily prove it to VeRo. Why would I really care otherwise? So I said that and they called me a "crazy man" and that "yo[u] need to go to doctor." A little time past and they said they removed my picture and asked if I'm satisfied. I thanked them and said, that's all I wanted from the beginning. I guess I should have checked cause they didn't remove it at all. That was just a lie.
I finally called ebay. VeRO is garbage. They do nothing. Ebay was more interested in the crazy man comment (which honestly, who cares?) but I let that happen. I doubt they'll get more than a message about inappropriate communications though.
The seller uses a lot of sample images in their listings. I have to assume a lot of them are being used without the photographer's consent. Anyways, I would probably avoid them. And if you recognize any of the sample photos they're using I encourage you to contact the original photographer. |
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rjm007
Joined: 01 Nov 2015 Posts: 5
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Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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rjm007 wrote:
themoleman342 wrote: |
Had an interesting interaction with "photosniper" from ebay.
They stole a picture I posted here on mflenses taken with a Jupiter 11A and Sony a850 for the "samples" section in their Jupiter 11 listing. Not even the same lens
I asked them to remove it and they responded by demanding proof that it was mine (asking me to send the RAW to their email...yeah, right) and asking why they should?
The seller uses a lot of sample images in their listings. I have to assume a lot of them are being used without the photographer's consent. Anyways, I would probably avoid them. And if you recognize any of the sample photos they're using I encourage you to contact the original photographer. |
I have just received a Helios 44M-7 lens from Photosniper which looks remarkably like a 44M with a new 44M-7 faceplate stuck on it. Partly my own fault for not researching the lenses enough. They keep claiming it is an early model. Well yes, it's an early model of the 44M called the 44M - odd how the title say 44M-7. As I know at least one other person on here has been sold the same turkey I'm suspicious.
In case we have any expert Helios experts - here are some photos
So why are these photos coming up in preview but not on post ?
Amazing how that frontplate has stayed so spotless on a lens made in 1983. The actual lens is OK - not bothered enough to face the hassle of sending it back.
<Later>The seller is not happy with my negative feedback which I think is quite polite - saying that I've received a quite nice 44M with a 44-7 faceplate. Sellor is now asking me why I think it's a fake. Pointed her at a suitable site. I'd be a bit more obliging if she wasn't still selling 8 of the 29 odd she had. I know I know - all the signs were there. Just odd that no-one else has complained...</Later> _________________ Regards
Richard
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7554 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
rjm007 wrote: |
themoleman342 wrote: |
Had an interesting interaction with "photosniper" from ebay.
They stole a picture I posted here on mflenses taken with a Jupiter 11A and Sony a850 for the "samples" section in their Jupiter 11 listing. Not even the same lens
I asked them to remove it and they responded by demanding proof that it was mine (asking me to send the RAW to their email...yeah, right) and asking why they should?
The seller uses a lot of sample images in their listings. I have to assume a lot of them are being used without the photographer's consent. Anyways, I would probably avoid them. And if you recognize any of the sample photos they're using I encourage you to contact the original photographer. |
I have just received a Helios 44M-7 lens from Photosniper which looks remarkably like a 44M with a new 44M-7 faceplate stuck on it. Partly my own fault for not researching the lenses enough. They keep claiming it is an early model. Well yes, it's an early model of the 44M called the 44M - odd how the title say 44M-7. As I know at least one other person on here has been sold the same turkey I'm suspicious.
In case we have any expert Helios experts - here are some photos
Amazing how that frontplate has stayed so spotless on a lens made in 1983. The actual lens is OK - not bothered enough to face the hassle of sending it back. |
I owned a copy back in the days and I can say yours is fake. The faceplate has been polished and the quality of engraving is poor. _________________ https://lensfever.com/
https://www.instagram.com/_lens_fever/
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Marek
Joined: 13 Apr 2014 Posts: 903 Location: In the heart of Europe
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Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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Marek wrote:
I just updated my blacklist full of various fucks from all corners of the world. Thanks guys _________________ Angry young man !
Flickr | Juzaphoto | Ebay sales
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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LucisPictor wrote:
I have bought an item (which I really need) from a seller in the UK - actually I think he is in HongKong - but in the item description he states that he sends from the UK. Old trick, I know. But since he is the only one who sells that item on EBAY, I didn't have another choice.
I ordered and paid on Nov 25 (paypal). In the description he promised to deliver until Dec 2.
Two days before deadline he apologized for the delay and guranteed that it will be with me on Dec 9.
His tracking number for Royal Mail doesn't work.
The item still hasn't arrived yet. (Dec 11)
Three days ago he blamed everything on Royal Mail and asked if I wanted a refund (well, at least an offer!) or another copy.
Since I need the item, I asked for another copy and if he could send in in some kind of express way.
So far he only agreed to send another copy, but I do not have a new tracking number yet.
I do not (yet) publish the name here, because I still want to wait if the "second" attempt turns out to be fine.
If the 2nd item doesn't arrive either, he will receive a bad feedback and I will publish my experiences with him online, including a warning here! _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
Carsten, former Moderator
Things ON SALE
Carsten = "KAPCTEH" = "Karusutenu" | T-shirt?.........................My photos from Emilia: http://www.schouler.net/emilia/emilia2011.html
My gear: http://retrocameracs.wordpress.com/ausrustung/
Old list: http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic.php?t=65 (Not up-to-date, sorry!) | http://www.lucispictor.de | http://www.alensaweek.wordpress.com |
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7554 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
LucisPictor wrote: |
I have bought an item (which I really need) from a seller in the UK - actually I think he is in HongKong - but in the item description he states that he sends from the UK. Old trick, I know. But since he is the only one who sells that item on EBAY, I didn't have another choice.
I ordered and paid on Nov 25 (paypal). In the description he promised to deliver until Dec 2.
Two days before deadline he apologized for the delay and guranteed that it will be with me on Dec 9.
His tracking number for Royal Mail doesn't work.
The item still hasn't arrived yet. (Dec 11)
Three days ago he blamed everything on Royal Mail and asked if I wanted a refund (well, at least an offer!) or another copy.
Since I need the item, I asked for another copy and if he could send in in some kind of express way.
So far he only agreed to send another copy, but I do not have a new tracking number yet.
I do not (yet) publish the name here, because I still want to wait if the "second" attempt turns out to be fine.
If the 2nd item doesn't arrive either, he will receive a bad feedback and I will publish my experiences with him online, including a warning here! |
What is the last two alphabet of the tracking number? If it ends with HK, it is from Hong Kong Post. If it ends with CN/CS, it is from China Post. _________________ https://lensfever.com/
https://www.instagram.com/_lens_fever/
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