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Excalibur


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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:33 am Post subject: |
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| peterqd wrote: | | The point for me is that we see the girl's hand feeling the rough bark. This draws the attention away from her face and I would say this makes the texture of the bark the most important part of the picture. If the point of focus was on her eyes, looking away from the tree, then her hand and the tree would lose importance and impact. It would be a simple dreamy portrait with no particular message. |
erm how can the ordinary looking bark of a tree be more important than the girl, maybe the Kohinoor diamond might work  _________________ Nikon L35ad, EM & N2000, Canon A1, AV1, T70 & T90, Centon K100, Minolta X-700, X-300, SRT101b and AFZ, Pentax S3, Praktica MTL3, MTL5 & BC1, Konica Autoreflex TC, FC-1, FT-1 & C35, Olympus Om20, Yashica T5D, Contax 139, Fuji STX-2, Bronica Etrs, Mamiya RB67 pro AND drum roll:- a Sony DSC-P92
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hoanpham

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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:52 am Post subject: |
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Normally I trash all my mis-focus photos - if the mis-focus is not intended.
But I did as David said: Keep the photo as a half-finish-working concept, and re-shoot if possible.
nice photo btw. |
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Attila


Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 52494 Location: Budapest,Hungary
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Kram wrote: | OK, so everyone loves this- except me.
Sometimes missing focus works but not so often. This simply looks like a mistake to me. No offense.
I think perhaps the reason why people do not get better at photography is that everyone tells them how great they are on the internet.
A good honest critique by someone with experience is rare as it's seen as being negative or rude. I don't mean to be either.
If you are really interested in OOF pix, why not go for it and try to make some good OOF pix. I've been doing it a little and it's harder than you'd think. I'm not good at it but I'll try again tomorrow! |
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ilguercio

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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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You know, sometimes when you're on a shooting you might delete a few shots while you're resting or just reviewing the pictures on the lcd.
I'm glad i didn't delete this example i'm posting, otherwise i would have missed a very nice shot (in my opinion) even though the focus point barely catches her hair.
About the picture that started the thread.
It works for me, her eyes catch my attention nevertheless and while it is technically wrong or just an error, i think i'd keep it too.
I think one must look at the picture in its entireness, sometimes we do too much of pixelpeeping and discard everything that looks wrong. |
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my_photography

Joined: 03 Nov 2008 Posts: 2540 Location: Pearl of the Orient
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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My first reaction when seeing the lady and the tree in the other thread, I didn't like it because the lady was out of focus. Now in this thread, I see that quite a number of people like the photos so I look at it few more times.
I guess as long as one sees a story behind the "out of focus" photo, it will work. I took a photo yesterday and purposely had it out of focus all the way. I even put some text there. I did all that before reading this thread.
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erkie


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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Orio wrote: | In my opinion, the "hidden truth" behind this shot is that the blur makes Anastasia's skin even smoother,
and the perfect focus makes the tree bark even rougher, and this enhances the contrast,
and black and white photography is, for most part, precisely about contrasts.
So this is the reason why it works for me. You could even "sell it" to other viewers as a deliberate choice,
I think you will be believed because this reasoning is exactly how a black and white photographer would reason. |
Pretty much sums up how I feel as well !
But I wear a hard hat for work not a camera strap. So I would defer to others here far more experienced than I. For a photo to work for me , it has to elicit an emotional response. This one does for me But I rarely like things the general public likes. I don't watch American Idol and I don't think Britney Spears is beautiful I prefer a little mystery in a photo of a woman as opposed to full on nudity.
For me B&W work is about form, contrast, and texture. And this has that for me  _________________
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Pontus


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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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For me it's simple. I took one look at the picture and went - ooh, that's nice. It can be that simple. You either like a picture or you don't. _________________
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mo


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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:49 am Post subject: |
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For me the "woman in focus" factor does not enter my mind,but there is an emotion captured that comes out from the image.I like the rough tree bark in contrast to the softness of light falling on Stasia.I have to add I like that you can see the detail in the eye. I want to know what she is thinking...comfort or something else. _________________ Moira, Moderator
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Orio

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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:26 am Post subject: |
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| mo wrote: | | For me the "woman in focus" factor does not enter my mind,but there is an emotion captured that comes out from the image.I like the rough tree bark in contrast to the softness of light falling on Stasia.I have to add I like that you can see the detail in the eye. I want to know what she is thinking...comfort or something else. |
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It's clearly a visionary image - one that falls into the category of psychological more than into the real
Moira's reasoning is typically a female approach to an artwork and I like it, it's much early 20th century, all the art of first half of XX century is much feminine in character
and I would add that if I had to guess blind, I would have bet that this photo was taken by a female photographer. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Nesster


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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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I'm thinking this pic could be better - but not necessarily for exactly the reasons that have already been mentioned.
I've seen some early photography that breaks the 'rules' very effectively. E.g. there was a beautiful portrait by Julia Margaret Cameron, made with a very large view camera in the studio, where she had carefully placed the focus... on the woman's chin!
Also, your photo reminds me of some of Stieglitz's work with O'Keeffe's hands...
What I'm trying to say is that if you made a virtue of the 'mis-focus' and made the 'subject' be the hand on the bark, this pic would have worked better... I'd probably put less light on the skin... _________________ -Jussi
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Orio

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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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Sometimes when we click we intend to take an image, but our camera takes a different one.... sometimes surprising... how many times this has happened to me? Countless. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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themoleman342


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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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Wow, I am blown away by this reception. Both for and against arguments are really amazing. Everyone has given me a lot to think about. There's almost too many points to individually respond to. I'd be here all day. Rest assured, I will have a lot in mind for my next outing with Stasia.
I am flattered that so many actually like the photo and see something more in it. But because my intention was different when I took the photo, it takes away from it for me. So much of art is about intention. The Suprematism art movement on the surface was just painted geometric shapes but Malevich transformed that into a statement on human perspective and emotion.
Like Orio said, I could "sell" the photo as deliberate. But I know that's not true. Maybe it doesn't matter... |
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Orio

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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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| themoleman342 wrote: | | because my intention was different when I took the photo, it takes away from it for me. So much of art is about intention |
It shouldn't take away. The most exciting aspect of photography is the unexpected. The best feelings are unexpected. Life is unexpected. It's our wonder in passing through it that makes it worth. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Orio wrote: | | themoleman342 wrote: | | because my intention was different when I took the photo, it takes away from it for me. So much of art is about intention |
It shouldn't take away. The most exciting aspect of photography is the unexpected. The best feelings are unexpected. Life is unexpected. It's our wonder in passing through it that makes it worth. |
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kuuan


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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Orio wrote: |
The most exciting aspect of photography is the unexpected. The best feelings are unexpected. Life is unexpected. It's our wonder in passing through it that makes it worth. |
wow, well said!
about the photo:
I love the lines of her hand, like very much her somewhat mysterious smile and like the lines of her hair.
But the eye haunts me and to me, maybe augmented by the background, makes the whole image a bit creepy.
So I battle with the feeling it gives me but certainly it stirs emotions, very good if a photo can achieve this  _________________ for sale: preset Takumars: f2/58mm ( rare Sonnar ), f3.5/135mm, f3.5/200mm - Auto Takumars: f3.5/35mm, f2/55mm - Super Takumar: f3.5/135mm - S-M-C Takumar f3.5/28mm - Tamron Adaptall: f2.5/28mm - Jupiter-9 f2/85mm, Auto Yashinon f2/5cm, Kiron f2.8/28mm ( most lenses only can be sent October 2013 from Austria, some earlier from around Asia )
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