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patrickh

Joined: 23 Aug 2007 Posts: 3576 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 4:10 pm Post subject: Digital cameras and MF lenses |
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I am NOT looking to start a long time discussion of the benefits of digital or film.
In the Nikon world Bjorn Roerslett is a legendary "tester" of nikkors. He has found that some old nikkors behave better on digital than they did on film and vice versa. The ratings on his web site reflect those differences, since he has rated most of the lenses on film and then on digital. I cannot comment since I was Exakta/Oly in my film days.
Have any of you found similar changes and if so what are they?
patrickh _________________ DSLR: Nikon D70 Nikon D200 Canon 40D
MF Zooms: Kiron 28-85/3.5, 28-105/3.2, 75-150/3.5, Nikkor 50-135/3.5 AIS // MF Primes: Nikkor 20/4 AI, 24/2 AI, 28/2 AI, 28/2.8 AIS, 28/3.5 AI, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 AIS, 35/2.8 PC, 45/2.8 P, 50/1.4 AIS, 50/1.8 AIS, 50/2 AI, 55/2.8 AIS micro, 55/3.5 AI micro, 85/2 AI, 100/2,8 E, 105/1,8 AIS, 105/2,5 AIS, 135/2 AIS, 135/2.8 AIS, Nikkor 200/4 AI, 200/4 AIS micro, 3004.5 AI, 300/4.5 AI ED, Kiron 28/2 Panagor 135/2.8, Tamron 28/2.5, Tamron 90/2.5 macro, Vivitar 90/2.5 macro (Tokina) Voigtlander 90/3.5 Vivitar 105/2.5 macro (Kiron) Kaleinar 100/2.8 AI Tamron 135/2.5, Vivitar 135/2.8CF, 200/3.5, Tokina 400/5,6
M42: Vivitar 28/2.5, Flektogon 35/2.4, Takumar 35/3.5, Curtagon 35/4, Arsat 50/1.4, Volna-6 50/2.8 macro,Mamiya 50/1.4, CZJ Pancolar 50/1,8, Oreston 50/1.8, Industar 50/3.5, Sears 55/1.4, Helios 58/2, Jupiter 85/2, Helios 85/1.5, Jupiter 135/4, Jupiter 135/3.5, Takumar 135/3.5, Tair 135/2.8, Takumar 150/4, Jupiter 200/4
Exakta: Topcon 100/2.8, 35/2.8
C/Y: Yashica 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 135/2.8
P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Biometar 80/2.8, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8 |
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niblue

Joined: 19 Oct 2007 Posts: 545 Location: Edinburgh, Scotland
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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Lots of lenses don't perform as well at the edges and corners as they do in the centre and any such lens will benefit from being used on a APS-C DSLR as the corners/edges aren't used. _________________ Regards
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440roadrunner
Joined: 07 Aug 2007 Posts: 45
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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I'm certainly not even beginning to know much about optics, but I wonder if it's not more than that
The frequency (light wavelength) response of a sensor is completely different from film, and I wonder if that may account for some difference, in the same way that coated optics affect lenses |
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poilu


Joined: 26 Aug 2007 Posts: 3319 Location: Greece
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | He has found that some old nikkors behave better on digital than they did on film and vice versa |
I don't believe a good lens on film is not good on digital. Problem of chromatic aberration and angle of incidence for wide lens will be corrected in next generation of sensor but don't have to do with the lens.
The size of the grain is the limiting factor on film. On this scan you can see letters are deformed by coarse grain & not by the lens.
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Richard_D


Joined: 21 Oct 2007 Posts: 2396 Location: Faversham Kent UK
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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| I find shots can get a little soft at f16 on digital compared with film but I rarely go that low. |
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Orio

Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 12540 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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Bjorn Roerslett in his evaluation never refers to the crop format issue, rather speaks extensively of problems like CA and purple fringing, no doubt related to the famous "sensor bleed" issue, a problem that is -obviously- non-existent with film cameras.
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mfkita
Joined: 29 Jul 2007 Posts: 14
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 1:19 am Post subject: |
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The 300/4.5 pre-AI Nikkor (the one with the fixed tripod socket collar) is ABSOLUTELY better than the 2.5 rating he gives it. _________________ I favor the simple shot...and uncomplicated technology that won't distract me from seeing it...
Canon 10d, Canon XT, Canon A95
Canon 24-85EF, 35/2, 50/1.8MKI, 18-55 sawed-off kit, Sigma 55-200
Nikon Nikkors 24/2.8, 85/2, 135/2.8, 180/2.8, 200/4, 300/4.5 with adapters to fit the EOS
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Nikon F, Contax G1 / 45mm F:2, Olympus XA4 |
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Attila


Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 16065 Location: Budapest,Hungary
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 1:24 am Post subject: |
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I guess story is same than 200mm f4 pre-ai that is also a nice lens really and on many forum people says not good at all. I love mine pretty much. _________________
Olympus E-1,Bessa L,Bessa RF,Olympus OM2n,Nikon FA,Yashica Eletro 35 GN,
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Pancolar 1.4/55mm,1.8/50mm,1.8/80mm,Tessar 2.8/50mm,Biotar 2/58mm,1.5/75mm,1.5/7,5cm
Carl Zeiss: Sonnar 2.8/135,2.8/180mm,Tessar 4/135mm
Nikon: 3.5/20mm,2.8/28mm,1.4/35mm,1.4/50mm,1.2/50mm,2/50mm,1.8/105mm,2.5/105mm,4/200mm macro,4.5/300mm
Pentax: Pentax 1.2/50mm,1.8/85mm,4/200mm
Helios: Helios-40 1.5/8,5cm,Helios-44-1 2/58mm,Helios-44-2 2/58mm
Olympus OM: 3.5/18mm,3.5/21mm,1.4/50mm,3.5/55mm macro,2.8/135mm,2/90mm macro,35-70mm,60-250mm
Meyer: 4.5/35mm Primagon,Primoplan 1.9/58mm,1.9/75mm,2.8/100mm,Orestegor 2.8/135mm,4.5/40 Helioplan
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