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Dragoon
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 Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 9:46 pm Post subject: Differences between 50mm f/1.4 Takumar lenses. |
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Dragoon wrote:
Hello,
I'm trying to get myself started on the wonders of MF lenses on DSLR. I searched around the internet and found about this forum.
Well, I have a simple question regarding the Takumar lenses. I've heard a lot about the 50mm f/1.4, highly regarded too, so I thought in buying one, but as far I understand there are at least 3 of them (at least that I found about), which are:
An older Super-Takumar 50mm f/1.4, a Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 50mm f/1.4 and a Pentax SMC Takumar 50mm f/1.4.
I understand that between the Super-Tak and the S-M-C the number of elements and groups is reduced and added the multi coating to the lens on the later one. But the Pentax SMC I can't find any information comparing to the other two, aside the rubber grip focus ring.
Could you point me out to any differences betwen the Pentax SMC and the other two?
Much appreciated.
Cheers.
PS: Is the Pentax SMC compatible with M42 to EOS adapters? I own an EOS 1000D. |
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no-X
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no-X wrote:
There are 4 versions o M42 50/1.4 Takumars:
1. Super Takumar 50/1.4 - old optical formula (8 elements, no thorium), single-coated, 6 aperture blades
2. Super Takumar 50/1.4 - new optical formula (7 elements, thorium), single-coated (later copies can have experimantal MC with 3-4 layers), 6 aperture blades
3. Super Multi Coated Takumar 50/1.4 - optical formula identical to #2, multi-coated (7 layers), 8 aperture blades
4. SMC Takumar 50/1.4 - optical formula identical to #2, multi-coated (7 layers), 8 aperture blades, rubber focusing ring
as for #1 and #2, there is no consensus - some users prefer #1, others #2
as for #3 and #4, some users prefer metal focusing ring of #3
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Traveller99
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Traveller99 wrote:
How can you tell if a Super Takumar 50/1.4 lens is type 1 (8 element) or type 2 (7 element) by looking at it ?
Is there an obvious difference in the appearance (not counting the potential radioactive yellowing)?
Is there a serial # range to go by?
Thanks
-Ted
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Olympus EP-2 (+14-42), Canon 5D, Rebel XT Contax G lenses: CZ Biogon 28/2.8, CZ Planar 45/2, CS Sonnar 90/2.8 LSM: Canon 50/1.2, Canon 135/3.5, Minolta 45/2.8 ('53) m42: Pentax Super Takumars: 20/4.5,28/3.5,35/2,35/3.5,50/1.4,100/2.8,150/4,200/4 SMCT,300/4, m42 Vivitars: Series 1 28/1.9, 28/2, 28/2.5, Series 1 135/2.3, 400/5.6 Pentax K: M 28/2.8, M40/2.8, M 50/2 Nikon AI: 24/2.8; Konica AR: 50/1.7 Canon EF: 20/2.8,50/1.8,85/1.8,100/2.8 macro,24-105L,24-85,70-210USM,100-300/5.6
Film: Canon A2,Canon 620,Pentax MX,ME, Canon VI-T Rangefinder, Minolta II RF, Rolleiflex 3.5E (Zeiss Planar), Minolta Autocord RG, Zeiss Super Ikonta IV, Mamiya C33 + lenses, Zeiss Contessa L, Konica III, Voigtlander Vitessa L, Olympus SP, Retina IIIc, IIa, Ia, Petri Color, 5 others RFs stereo: TDC Vivid, TDC Colorist II, I, Revere 33 |
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Dragoon
Joined: 15 Mar 2010
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Dragoon wrote:
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There are 4 versions o M42 50/1.4 Takumars:
1. Super Takumar 50/1.4 - old optical formula (8 elements, no thorium), single-coated, 6 aperture blades
2. Super Takumar 50/1.4 - new optical formula (7 elements, thorium), single-coated (later copies can have experimantal MC with 3-4 layers), 6 aperture blades
3. Super Multi Coated Takumar 50/1.4 - optical formula identical to #2, multi-coated (7 layers), 8 aperture blades
4. SMC Takumar 50/1.4 - optical formula identical to #2, multi-coated (7 layers), 8 aperture blades, rubber focusing ring
as for #1 and #2, there is no consensus - some users prefer #1, others #2
as for #3 and #4, some users prefer metal focusing ring of #3 |
Thanks for the information. So basically the later 2 are pretty much the same optically.. That's what I wanted to know, since I'm bidding for a SMC Takumar on ebay. And I did it by mistake, I was a little worried.
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How can you tell if a Super Takumar 50/1.4 lens is type 1 (8 element) or type 2 (7 element) by looking at it ?
Is there an obvious difference in the appearance (not counting the potential radioactive yellowing)?
Is there a serial # range to go by?
Thanks
-Ted |
I don't know much, but I think that the serial number range determines which version it is. Also the newer lens can be identified from its predesor by observing where the "IR" mark is. If it is inside 4, it is the original 8 element design if it is outside the 4, it is the later 7 element design. |
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visualopsins
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visualopsins wrote:
On the camera side of the Auto/Man diaphram switch is engraved a number.
1. on Super 8/7, 358 or 879
2. Super 7/6 (1), 378
3. Super 7/6 (2), 37801
4. S-M-C 7/6, 37902 or 7249
5. SMC 7/6, 37908
The second number given is the Honeywell number (Honeywell was exclusive US distributor).
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Cameras: Sony A7Rii, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Lenses:
Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200
Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300
Macro-Takumar 1:4/50
Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm
Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element),
Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17
Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500
Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100
Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100
SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
Other lenses:
Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51BB), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH) |
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estudleon
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estudleon wrote:
Excelent information. I can add :
1- The S.T. V. 2 (7 elements) has more radiactive last rear element than the S-M-C and SMC ones. That noted by two facts. a) the rear element is more small (near) 1 mm in the S.T than in the S-M-C, and b) the F/1,4 white point in the aperture ring is nearest to the F/2 point in the S.T. than in the S-M-C and SMC.
From that you can see that the S.T. V. 2 are, generally, more yellowish than the S-M-C and SMC ones.
Anyways, the real aperture in the S-M-C is F/1,52.
2- The white point at the F/1,4 in the aperture ring only is present in the S.T. V.2. Not in the S.T. 8 elements nor in the S-M-C or SMC.
3- The latest SMC have newer coating than the S-M-C, and it can traslate in better contrast.
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Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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ramiller500
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ramiller500 wrote:
Where is it shown that the old 8-element version has no thorium/radioactivity?
Some Super Takumars (such as 55mm/2.0) have thorium but not enough to yellow.
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estudleon
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estudleon wrote:
I don't have it in my mind now, but there were two or three tests in the net with the radioactivity of the 8 elements takumar among others lenses. And, in the other side, I didn't read any test with the 8 elements takumar among the lenses with radioactivity.
I think that the quid is demostrate that the 8 elements has a thorium (or radioactive) element/s before try to demostrate that doesn't have one.
And, in this way I ask to you where is shown that the 8 elements takumar has a thorium or radioactive element.
Rino.
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Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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Traveller99
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| Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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Traveller99 wrote:
I have the early 8 element version (as can be seen by the location of the IR mark - there is no part # on the A/M switch on mine, but the rear element also protrudes the metal which is another indicator that I read about elsewhere).
I can assure you that my 8 element 50/1.4 has no visible yellowing.
I also have the Super Takamar 35/2.0 - Thorium version. My copy is not very yellow at all - but is very very slightly yellow in comparison to my 8-element 50/1.4.
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Olympus EP-2 (+14-42), Canon 5D, Rebel XT Contax G lenses: CZ Biogon 28/2.8, CZ Planar 45/2, CS Sonnar 90/2.8 LSM: Canon 50/1.2, Canon 135/3.5, Minolta 45/2.8 ('53) m42: Pentax Super Takumars: 20/4.5,28/3.5,35/2,35/3.5,50/1.4,100/2.8,150/4,200/4 SMCT,300/4, m42 Vivitars: Series 1 28/1.9, 28/2, 28/2.5, Series 1 135/2.3, 400/5.6 Pentax K: M 28/2.8, M40/2.8, M 50/2 Nikon AI: 24/2.8; Konica AR: 50/1.7 Canon EF: 20/2.8,50/1.8,85/1.8,100/2.8 macro,24-105L,24-85,70-210USM,100-300/5.6
Film: Canon A2,Canon 620,Pentax MX,ME, Canon VI-T Rangefinder, Minolta II RF, Rolleiflex 3.5E (Zeiss Planar), Minolta Autocord RG, Zeiss Super Ikonta IV, Mamiya C33 + lenses, Zeiss Contessa L, Konica III, Voigtlander Vitessa L, Olympus SP, Retina IIIc, IIa, Ia, Petri Color, 5 others RFs stereo: TDC Vivid, TDC Colorist II, I, Revere 33 |
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estudleon
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Location: Argentina
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estudleon wrote:
Hi.
Can you share pics taken with the 8 elements takumar?
I only saw a very few ones, and seems to be a very interesant lens with a pictorial touch.
Anyway, thanks.
Rino.
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Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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Traveller99
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Traveller99 wrote:
Well I hadn't used the lens in quite a while and I don't have my older photos indexed according to lenses so all I can do is grab a couple of new snaps in my back yard. I have limited time and Canon 5D is in the repair shop so, here are some quick test snaps with Olympus EP-2 Micro Four thirds digital, 2x crop) with no post processing:
8-element Super Takumar 50mm F/1.4 wide open at F/1,4 :
For comparison, Konica Hexanon 50mm F/1.7 wide open at F/1.7 :
For comparison, Canon Leica Screw Mount 50mm F/1.2 at F/1.4 :
8-element Super Takumar 50mm F/1.4 stopped down to F/2.8 :
For comparison, Konica Hexanon 50mm F/1.7 stopped down to F/2.8 :
For comparison, Canon Leica Screw Mount 50mm F/1.2 at F/2.8 :
For comparison, Pentax-M 50mm F/2.0 stopped down to F/2.8 :
( ... to be continued )
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Olympus EP-2 (+14-42), Canon 5D, Rebel XT Contax G lenses: CZ Biogon 28/2.8, CZ Planar 45/2, CS Sonnar 90/2.8 LSM: Canon 50/1.2, Canon 135/3.5, Minolta 45/2.8 ('53) m42: Pentax Super Takumars: 20/4.5,28/3.5,35/2,35/3.5,50/1.4,100/2.8,150/4,200/4 SMCT,300/4, m42 Vivitars: Series 1 28/1.9, 28/2, 28/2.5, Series 1 135/2.3, 400/5.6 Pentax K: M 28/2.8, M40/2.8, M 50/2 Nikon AI: 24/2.8; Konica AR: 50/1.7 Canon EF: 20/2.8,50/1.8,85/1.8,100/2.8 macro,24-105L,24-85,70-210USM,100-300/5.6
Film: Canon A2,Canon 620,Pentax MX,ME, Canon VI-T Rangefinder, Minolta II RF, Rolleiflex 3.5E (Zeiss Planar), Minolta Autocord RG, Zeiss Super Ikonta IV, Mamiya C33 + lenses, Zeiss Contessa L, Konica III, Voigtlander Vitessa L, Olympus SP, Retina IIIc, IIa, Ia, Petri Color, 5 others RFs stereo: TDC Vivid, TDC Colorist II, I, Revere 33
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Traveller99
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Traveller99 wrote:
8-element Pentax Super Takumar 50mm f/1.4 at F/5.6 :
For comparison, Konica Hexanon 50mm F/1.7 stopped down to F/5.6 :
For comparison, Canon Leica Screw Mount 50mm F/1.2 at F/5.6 :
For comparison, Pentax-M 50mm F/2.0 stopped down to F/5.6:
(... to be continued )
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Olympus EP-2 (+14-42), Canon 5D, Rebel XT Contax G lenses: CZ Biogon 28/2.8, CZ Planar 45/2, CS Sonnar 90/2.8 LSM: Canon 50/1.2, Canon 135/3.5, Minolta 45/2.8 ('53) m42: Pentax Super Takumars: 20/4.5,28/3.5,35/2,35/3.5,50/1.4,100/2.8,150/4,200/4 SMCT,300/4, m42 Vivitars: Series 1 28/1.9, 28/2, 28/2.5, Series 1 135/2.3, 400/5.6 Pentax K: M 28/2.8, M40/2.8, M 50/2 Nikon AI: 24/2.8; Konica AR: 50/1.7 Canon EF: 20/2.8,50/1.8,85/1.8,100/2.8 macro,24-105L,24-85,70-210USM,100-300/5.6
Film: Canon A2,Canon 620,Pentax MX,ME, Canon VI-T Rangefinder, Minolta II RF, Rolleiflex 3.5E (Zeiss Planar), Minolta Autocord RG, Zeiss Super Ikonta IV, Mamiya C33 + lenses, Zeiss Contessa L, Konica III, Voigtlander Vitessa L, Olympus SP, Retina IIIc, IIa, Ia, Petri Color, 5 others RFs stereo: TDC Vivid, TDC Colorist II, I, Revere 33
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Traveller99
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Traveller99 wrote:
100% Crops :
8-element Super Takumar 50mm F/1.4 wide open at F/1,4 :
Konica Hexanon 50mm F/1.7 wide open at F/1.7:
Canon Leica Screw Mount 50mm F/1.2 at F/1.4 :
8-element Super Takumar 50mm F/1.4 at F/2.8 :
Konica Hexanon 50mm F/1.7 at F/2.8:
Canon Leica Screw Mount 50mm F/1.2 at F/2.8 :
Pentax-M 50mm F/2.0 at F/2.8 :
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Olympus EP-2 (+14-42), Canon 5D, Rebel XT Contax G lenses: CZ Biogon 28/2.8, CZ Planar 45/2, CS Sonnar 90/2.8 LSM: Canon 50/1.2, Canon 135/3.5, Minolta 45/2.8 ('53) m42: Pentax Super Takumars: 20/4.5,28/3.5,35/2,35/3.5,50/1.4,100/2.8,150/4,200/4 SMCT,300/4, m42 Vivitars: Series 1 28/1.9, 28/2, 28/2.5, Series 1 135/2.3, 400/5.6 Pentax K: M 28/2.8, M40/2.8, M 50/2 Nikon AI: 24/2.8; Konica AR: 50/1.7 Canon EF: 20/2.8,50/1.8,85/1.8,100/2.8 macro,24-105L,24-85,70-210USM,100-300/5.6
Film: Canon A2,Canon 620,Pentax MX,ME, Canon VI-T Rangefinder, Minolta II RF, Rolleiflex 3.5E (Zeiss Planar), Minolta Autocord RG, Zeiss Super Ikonta IV, Mamiya C33 + lenses, Zeiss Contessa L, Konica III, Voigtlander Vitessa L, Olympus SP, Retina IIIc, IIa, Ia, Petri Color, 5 others RFs stereo: TDC Vivid, TDC Colorist II, I, Revere 33 |
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Traveller99
Joined: 07 Mar 2010
Posts: 8
Location: Vancouver, Canada
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| Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:09 am Post subject: |
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Traveller99 wrote:
more 100% crops...
8-element Super Takumar 50mm F/1.4 at F/5.6 :
Konica Hexanon 50mm F/1.7 at F/5.6:
Canon Leica Screw Mount 50mm F/1.2 at F/5.6 :
Pentax-M 50mm F/2.0 at F/5.6 :
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Olympus EP-2 (+14-42), Canon 5D, Rebel XT Contax G lenses: CZ Biogon 28/2.8, CZ Planar 45/2, CS Sonnar 90/2.8 LSM: Canon 50/1.2, Canon 135/3.5, Minolta 45/2.8 ('53) m42: Pentax Super Takumars: 20/4.5,28/3.5,35/2,35/3.5,50/1.4,100/2.8,150/4,200/4 SMCT,300/4, m42 Vivitars: Series 1 28/1.9, 28/2, 28/2.5, Series 1 135/2.3, 400/5.6 Pentax K: M 28/2.8, M40/2.8, M 50/2 Nikon AI: 24/2.8; Konica AR: 50/1.7 Canon EF: 20/2.8,50/1.8,85/1.8,100/2.8 macro,24-105L,24-85,70-210USM,100-300/5.6
Film: Canon A2,Canon 620,Pentax MX,ME, Canon VI-T Rangefinder, Minolta II RF, Rolleiflex 3.5E (Zeiss Planar), Minolta Autocord RG, Zeiss Super Ikonta IV, Mamiya C33 + lenses, Zeiss Contessa L, Konica III, Voigtlander Vitessa L, Olympus SP, Retina IIIc, IIa, Ia, Petri Color, 5 others RFs stereo: TDC Vivid, TDC Colorist II, I, Revere 33 |
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Traveller99
Joined: 07 Mar 2010
Posts: 8
Location: Vancouver, Canada
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| Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:33 am Post subject: |
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Traveller99 wrote:
I should throw in some at F/2 too:
8-element Super Takumar 50mm F/1.4 at F/2.0
Canon LSM 50mm F/1.2 at F/2.0:
Konica 50mm F/1.7 at F/2.0:
Pentax-M 50mm F/2.0 at F/2.0 :
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Olympus EP-2 (+14-42), Canon 5D, Rebel XT Contax G lenses: CZ Biogon 28/2.8, CZ Planar 45/2, CS Sonnar 90/2.8 LSM: Canon 50/1.2, Canon 135/3.5, Minolta 45/2.8 ('53) m42: Pentax Super Takumars: 20/4.5,28/3.5,35/2,35/3.5,50/1.4,100/2.8,150/4,200/4 SMCT,300/4, m42 Vivitars: Series 1 28/1.9, 28/2, 28/2.5, Series 1 135/2.3, 400/5.6 Pentax K: M 28/2.8, M40/2.8, M 50/2 Nikon AI: 24/2.8; Konica AR: 50/1.7 Canon EF: 20/2.8,50/1.8,85/1.8,100/2.8 macro,24-105L,24-85,70-210USM,100-300/5.6
Film: Canon A2,Canon 620,Pentax MX,ME, Canon VI-T Rangefinder, Minolta II RF, Rolleiflex 3.5E (Zeiss Planar), Minolta Autocord RG, Zeiss Super Ikonta IV, Mamiya C33 + lenses, Zeiss Contessa L, Konica III, Voigtlander Vitessa L, Olympus SP, Retina IIIc, IIa, Ia, Petri Color, 5 others RFs stereo: TDC Vivid, TDC Colorist II, I, Revere 33 |
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Kram
Joined: 06 Feb 2010
Posts: 1351
Location: Portland, OR
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| Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:52 am Post subject: |
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Kram wrote:
Wow that Konica is a performer! Surprisingly sharp! Like the bokeh on the Tak more though.
Thanks for the great test images! |
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estudleon
Joined: 15 May 2008
Posts: 3791
Location: Argentina
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| Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 11:56 am Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
The konica rendering can't surprize because it's known as one of the best 50 mm lenses (especially if it's the oldest 1,7).
Great 8 elements S.T. rendering. If I find one (cheap and in good condition), I will get it
The S.T. 1,4 V.1 and the miranda 1,4, both have 8 elements. The same schame? The same lens?
Rino.
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Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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Pancolart
Joined: 04 Feb 2008
Posts: 3625
Location: Slovenia, EU
Expire: 2013-11-18
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| Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:20 am Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
What a lovely setting for bokeh test. Nice lens comparison. Topic revived.
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fotoreporter1975
Joined: 10 Dec 2012
Posts: 47
Location: Cosenza, Italy
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| Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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fotoreporter1975 wrote:
Hi, here there are some resources, for "archival" purposes:
1) similar topic here on fmlenses about the differences - a lot - between 8 and 7 elements Takumars:
http://forum.mflenses.com/difference-between-8-element-super-takumar-1-4-50-and-7-t13661.html
2) my test of the Takumar 8 elements vs the 7 elements (and Contax Makro, Minolta MD, Olympus OM, Pentax M Macro), with test chart crops at - almost - all apertures:
http://www.addicted2light.com/2012/12/08/battle-of-the-50s-contax-60-vs-minolta-vs-olympus-vs-pentax-takumars/
3) the wild differences in deph of field and color balance between the 7 and the 8 elements version:
http://www.addicted2light.com/2013/07/08/battle-of-the-50s-an-update-on-the-pentax-takumar-war/
BTW, I found only one reference about the radioactivity of the old 8 elements, and it was in an article on luminous-landscape. I guess the author was mistaken, because everyone else says that the radioactive one is the 7 elements (but I've no data to support this). |
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