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Laurence
Joined: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 4809 Location: Western Washington State
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 6:33 am Post subject: Dicentra Revisited |
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Laurence wrote:
I previously posted some shots of the local Bleeding Hearts plants (Dicentra spectabilis) using the Soligor C/D 35-70 lens. The images were good in terms of color, in fact the color was amazingly true to the real-life coloring. However, the overall timbre of the lens was a bit flat, so that the consensus among all of us was that it was simply a neutral lens. The post is here:
http://forum.mflenses.com/soligor-35-70-c-d-2-5-3-5-t6812.html#56358
I went back to obtain some images of the plant structures for Orio's request for images for his tiling work. In this case I used the Tamron SP 70-210. There is a pronounced difference between the images from this lens as compared to the Soligor lens. To me anyway, there is much more personality to the images, and the dimensional characteristics are much better. For a zoom lens, the Tamron is quite the piece of metal and glass!
Anyway, here are some of the images:
Bokeh
Trees and a Rock Wall in Background
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Assent, and you are sane;
Demur,—you ’re straightway dangerous,
And handled with a chain.
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Cameras and Lenses in Use:
Yashica Mat 124 w/ Yashinon 80/3.5,
CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
Pentax 645,
Flek 50,
Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
Tamron Adaptall 28/2.5
Tamron Adaptall SP 300/2.8 LD (IF)
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Jesito
Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 5745 Location: Olivella, Catalonia, (Spain)
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 7:09 am Post subject: |
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Jesito wrote:
Congrats, Larry!. Impressive shots, I love the 2nd one with the small water drops...
The bokeh of this lens is remarkable!
Jes. _________________ Jesito, Moderator
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Zooms Sigma 70-300, Tamron 35-135 and 70-210 short, 70-210 long, 28-70 CF Macro, 35-70, 35-80, Vivitar 70-210 KA, Tamron 70-250.
Fixed Industar-50, , Tamron 24mm, Tamron 135mm, Sands Hunter 135mm, Pancolar 50mm, Volna-3, many Exakta lenses
DSLR SIGMA SD9 & SD14, EOS 5D, Sony A700 and NEXF3, Oly E-330, E-400, E-450, E-1
TLR/6x6/645 YashicaMat, Petri 6x45, Nettar, Franka Solida, Brilliant
SLR Minolta X300, Fuji STX II, Praktica VLC3, Pentax P30t, EXA500, EXA 1A, Spotmatic(2), Chinon CM-4S, Ricoh, Contax, Konica TC-X , Minolta 5000, 7000i, 3Sxi, EOS 500 and CX
Rangefinders Chinon 35EE, Konica C35 auto, Canonet 28, Yashica Lynx, FED-2, Yashica electro 35, Argus C3 & C4, Regula Cita III, Voigtlander Vitoret (many), Welta Welti-I, Kodak Signette 35, Zorki-4, Bessa-R & L, Minolta Weathermatic, olympus XA2
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peterqd
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 7448 Location: near High Wycombe, UK
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 7:22 am Post subject: |
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peterqd wrote:
This is a vast improvement! Looking at the two versions side by side, the first ones look feeble and wishy-washy in comparison to these. The Tamron shows its pedigree. Thanks for doing this Larry. _________________ Peter - Moderator |
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poilu
Joined: 26 Aug 2007 Posts: 10469 Location: Greece
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 7:31 am Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
thanks Laurence for this superb Dicentra series
in the last series my favorites were #1#2
if still prefer old #1 to new #3 and old #2 to new #2
bokeh, saturation and details of foliage are distracting in new series
also the composition and point of focus was better in first series
the new series is superb but I prefer the nice mood of the flat soligor to the aberrations in out focus area of the tamron _________________ T* |
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Richard_D
Joined: 21 Oct 2007 Posts: 2378 Location: Faversham Kent UK
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 9:46 am Post subject: |
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Richard_D wrote:
Thanks! The two sets are so different and I understand exactly what Poilu is saying but on balance I think the abberations add character to the shots. _________________ Richard
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Nikon E Series: 100mm f2.8 .
Soviet Nikon Mount: Zenitar 16mm f2.8, Arsat/arax/photex 85mm T&S f2.8 .
Other: Asahi Super Takumar 55 mm f2 (M42) ,Tamron 300mm f5.6 SP, Tamron 500mm f8 SP.
DSLR: Nikon D700. 35mm SLRsNikon FE, Pentax S1a.
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Laurence
Joined: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 4809 Location: Western Washington State
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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Laurence wrote:
Thanks all you guys for your divergent opinions! That is what keep us all thinking.
It is interesting how "bokeh" is handled by each of us in a different manner, as far as how it impresses us (or not). Personally I like the "aberrations" and little "swirly bits" and such things in the fall-off areas. At the same time, I can certainly value the opinions of people who like a more structured bokeh.
It's also interesting the divergence on "flat and neutral" versus "contrasty and deep". And, of course, I can see where there is value-for-the-circumstance for each venue.
That is what makes it all fun, though! In any case, I do like this Tamron zoom lens. And...I like the Soligor too, it just has a different character that I'll have to utilize in the correct situations.
Thanks again to all for commenting! This is how I (we) learn. _________________
Assent, and you are sane;
Demur,—you ’re straightway dangerous,
And handled with a chain.
Emily Dickinson
Cameras and Lenses in Use:
Yashica Mat 124 w/ Yashinon 80/3.5,
CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
Pentax 645,
Flek 50,
Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
Tamron Adaptall 28/2.5
Tamron Adaptall SP 300/2.8 LD (IF)
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ChrisLilley
Joined: 01 Jan 2008 Posts: 1767 Location: Nice, France
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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ChrisLilley wrote:
Shots #2 and #3 in particular are excellent and would make great photos for identification purposes.
In #2 the harsh prismatic edge to the water drops is slightly distracting in the bottom left, where the drops are background; but enhances the drops on the flowers. However, the dark green background here is much nicer than the distracting, complex background of the other series. The foreground rendering is also much crisper, more real and less like a photo. (I can't really convey the differences well in words; the other series seem flat, greyish, 'smeary' ...) _________________ Camera (ˈkæ mə rə), n. Device for taking pictures in bright light
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Laurence
Joined: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 4809 Location: Western Washington State
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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Laurence wrote:
ChrisLilley wrote: |
Shots #2 and #3 in particular are excellent and would make great photos for identification purposes.
In #2 the harsh prismatic edge to the water drops is slightly distracting in the bottom left, where the drops are background; but enhances the drops on the flowers. However, the dark green background here is much nicer than the distracting, complex background of the other series. The foreground rendering is also much crisper, more real and less like a photo. (I can't really convey the differences well in words; the other series seem flat, greyish, 'smeary' ...) |
ANOTHER great thing about a forum - I didn't even notice the prismatic droplets until you mentioned them. And I see what you mean. So that now becomes a "tool" in my head, to possibly avoid those background droplets in a shot, especially if I want it to have "clean" bokeh.
THANKS for the dialog, Chris. _________________
Assent, and you are sane;
Demur,—you ’re straightway dangerous,
And handled with a chain.
Emily Dickinson
Cameras and Lenses in Use:
Yashica Mat 124 w/ Yashinon 80/3.5,
CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
Pentax 645,
Flek 50,
Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
Tamron Adaptall 28/2.5
Tamron Adaptall SP 300/2.8 LD (IF)
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57840 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
#2 #3 suberb! Others are not better than Soligor. _________________ -------------------------------
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Laurence
Joined: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 4809 Location: Western Washington State
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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Laurence wrote:
Attila wrote: |
#2 #3 suberb! Others are not better than Soligor. |
Another divergent opinion! Thanks Attila, it is great to get opinions because it helps in the long run, in the amount of use I'll give one lens over another. I appreciate the comment. _________________
Assent, and you are sane;
Demur,—you ’re straightway dangerous,
And handled with a chain.
Emily Dickinson
Cameras and Lenses in Use:
Yashica Mat 124 w/ Yashinon 80/3.5,
CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
Pentax 645,
Flek 50,
Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
Tamron Adaptall 28/2.5
Tamron Adaptall SP 300/2.8 LD (IF)
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57840 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
I am tired I would say #2 #4 _________________ -------------------------------
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Laurence
Joined: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 4809 Location: Western Washington State
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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Laurence wrote:
Attila wrote: |
I am tired I would say #2 #4 |
Go to bed! Get some rest! And...thank you! _________________
Assent, and you are sane;
Demur,—you ’re straightway dangerous,
And handled with a chain.
Emily Dickinson
Cameras and Lenses in Use:
Yashica Mat 124 w/ Yashinon 80/3.5,
CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
Pentax 645,
Flek 50,
Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
Tamron Adaptall 28/2.5
Tamron Adaptall SP 300/2.8 LD (IF)
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j.lukow
Joined: 03 Oct 2007 Posts: 856 Location: Lindsay Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 1:42 am Post subject: |
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j.lukow wrote:
Wow! Can't wait for our Bleeding Hearts to be up and test my Tamron's on them.
I love the quality of the middle 4 - they each have their own beauty.
Jim _________________ EMPLOYMENT: That which funded photography and my new woodworking business.j.lukow
Jim's Kit:
Minolta Kit: Minolta X570 & Autowinder G, Minolta SRT200
LENSES:Minolta - 45mm & 50mm F1:2, PF 58mm F1:1.4, Tamron 28mm f1:2.5, Tamron SP 35-80mm f1:2.8/3.8 & CF TeleMacro zoom 80-210 f1:3.8, Vivitar f3.0~4.5 35-200mm macro focusing zoom, f 2.8 28mm CF Wide angle, 2x macro focus teleconverter,Sigma F4 25-250, f 2.8~4 35-70mm zoom master,Tokina SD f4-5.6 70-210 zoom, f4.5 80-200 "Ultra" Zoom,AutoImage 135mm F1:2.8, Spiratone 400mm f1:6.3, Magicon f3.5-4.8 35-70mm macro zoom,Quantary f8-500 Mirror/macro lens, Accura MD mount Macro bellows
M42 Kit:Praktica PLC2,Yashica TL Electro X
LENSES:Meyer Goerlitz Oreston 50mm f1:1.8 , Auto Yashinon DX 1:1.7 50mm,Steinheil Munchen Culminar 135mm f4.5, Adaptall-2 M42 adapter
Zeiss . . . Zeiss Contaflex 126 system, Zeiss Contaflex Super
Medium Format: Pentacon sixTL
Hasselblad 500c/m - CZ 2.8-80mm planar, CZ 4-150mm sonnarCF |
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Orio
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 5:48 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Beautiful!!!!!!! _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Laurence
Joined: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 4809 Location: Western Washington State
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 6:25 am Post subject: |
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Laurence wrote:
Thanks you guys! To me, the Bleeding Hearts are QUITE the flowers, probably one of my favorites. The way the flowers hang like pendants from the arc of the stems, and look like lockets from a necklace, is amazing! It's as though they are little balloon-like hearts, complete with a drop of blood at the bottom! Remarkable. I've always wondered if a jeweler could ever make a mold and "copy" a Bleeding Heart structure into a necklace.
These are the cultivated variety. There are also wild pure species of Bleeding Hearts which will be blooming in the deeper woods soon. They are, of course, much more sparse in their blooms, and are quite small compared to the cultivars. The ones around here are almost purple in color at times. I will try to obtain some images of them when they start blooming well. _________________
Assent, and you are sane;
Demur,—you ’re straightway dangerous,
And handled with a chain.
Emily Dickinson
Cameras and Lenses in Use:
Yashica Mat 124 w/ Yashinon 80/3.5,
CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
Pentax 645,
Flek 50,
Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
Tamron Adaptall 28/2.5
Tamron Adaptall SP 300/2.8 LD (IF)
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