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Laurence
Joined: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 4809 Location: Western Washington State
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 12:33 am Post subject: D30 - Dumb Move or Worth It? |
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Laurence wrote:
I don't currently have a DSLR, I use an M42 older camera, and for digital I have been using a Minolta A-1 digicam.
However, I have the chance to get an "older" Canon D30 (3.2 megapixels) for a pretty good price of somewhere around $150. The guy I may buy it from told me that he thought it was actually "a better built body than a Digital Rebel" and the only thing I should worry about is the "lower megapixel" of the sensor.
Most of my images are, frankly, just for the web and viewing on the computer; what I have i mind is having a handy way of looking at output from my various old M42 lenses. When I am out for "big" prints, I usually have my medium format camera with me anyway...
I have been thirsty to put my M42 lenses on a digital SLR, only because it would negate the scanning, with its inherent problems, that I do on my flatbed for 35mm.
Would this be an okay camera for what I have in mind? Will it accept "most" M42 lenses with the adapter?
Thanks for any ideas.
Laurence _________________
Assent, and you are sane;
Demur,—you ’re straightway dangerous,
And handled with a chain.
Emily Dickinson
Cameras and Lenses in Use:
Yashica Mat 124 w/ Yashinon 80/3.5,
CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
Pentax 645,
Flek 50,
Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
Tamron Adaptall 28/2.5
Tamron Adaptall SP 300/2.8 LD (IF)
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Katastrofo
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 10405 Location: USA
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 12:43 am Post subject: |
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Katastrofo wrote:
Larry, the D30 was my first foray into DSLR! Shutter lag is a little slow,
but build quality is all there (being Canon's first from the ground up to
compete with Schnikon's D1).
Have you looked at it? Yes, no comparison in build quality to the plasticky
300D Rebel. It's got the Canon CMOS sensor, Canon color, nuff said.
Get it if there's no issues. Batteries are cheap, BP511/512 clones are
all over ebay.
It will take M42 lenses, but somewhere there's info about a mod to the
adapter, but no biggie to do, will check for it.
Bill
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57840 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 12:44 am Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
You will have problem soon might be with shutter. Need to check by an experienced guy. A bit more money Bill bought an Olympus E-300 that is 8MPx camera and a good one too. _________________ -------------------------------
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Katastrofo
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 10405 Location: USA
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 12:47 am Post subject: |
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Katastrofo wrote:
I agree with Attila, the e300 is an extremely good buy with color almost
the equal of Canon. Batteries last long time... |
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TDN
Joined: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 321 Location: Belgium
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 1:23 am Post subject: |
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TDN wrote:
There are a lot of cheap 300D's going around nowadays too...might be less shutter problems.
3 MP is enough for on screen, but for prints...can barely make A4...
+ not much room for cropping.
All depends on what you need
Tom _________________ ---
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SLR: Nikon EM , Pentax K2 DMD, K1000, MZ-5
DSLR: Pentax K10D
Lenses (Nikon): E-series 1.8 50mm & 100mm f2.8; Tokina RMC 80-200mm f4
Lenses (Pentax): Pentax 17mm f4.0 Fish-eye; Pentax-A 50mm f1.7; Kiron 105mm f2.8 macro; Pentax-FA 50mm f1.4; Pentax-A 35-135mm f3.5-4.5; Sigma 28-70mm f2.8 EX Aspherical; DA 18-55mm f3.-5.6; Tamron 28-200mm f3.8-5.6 XR;
Lenses (M42): Jupiter-9 85mm f2; Pentacon 200mm f4;
Lenses (Adaptall): Tamron SP 60-300mm f3.8-5.6; Tamron SP 80-200mm f2.8 LD |
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Laurence
Joined: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 4809 Location: Western Washington State
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:36 am Post subject: |
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Laurence wrote:
I'm going to hold off. I think I might be disappointed in 3 megapixels, and I will save a little more and then satisfy my urge with an Olympus or even the Pentax K10D.
I would lean more toward Olympus at this point, simply because I can get an awful lot of camera for a relatively low price. For instance, the E300 at around $230 or E-500 for around $250.
I'll continue to research, but the bottom line is that I think I could get good use out of a digital camera for some applications, and in "testing" and using M42 lenese, even though I am inclined mostly toward the joy of film. _________________
Assent, and you are sane;
Demur,—you ’re straightway dangerous,
And handled with a chain.
Emily Dickinson
Cameras and Lenses in Use:
Yashica Mat 124 w/ Yashinon 80/3.5,
CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
Pentax 645,
Flek 50,
Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
Tamron Adaptall 28/2.5
Tamron Adaptall SP 300/2.8 LD (IF)
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montecarlo
Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 1865 Location: Romania
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:54 am Post subject: Pentax |
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montecarlo wrote:
You could find some cheap Pentax *istD, Ds, DL or even K110D/K100D (all are 6Mpx).
PENTAX
It depens on the price and how used is the camera (shutter life). I don't know about an older D60 Canon (or 10D). _________________ Canonet QL17 III
Zenit E , Helios-44 58mm f:2.0 , Tair-11A 135mm f:2.8, Jupiter-9 85mm f:2.0,
Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 35mm f:2.4
Pentax MX, ME Super, Chinon CE4/CM4, Petri MC 28mm f:2, smc Pentax-M 50mm f:1.7, Soligor T 135mm f:2.8
Minolta X500, Tokina 28/2.8, Rokkor 50/1.7, 80-205/4.5
Nikon D90, Nikkor 35/2.0, Nikkor 50/1.8, Sigma 24/2.8, Nikkor 18-105 VR |
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Factors more important than megapixel count for a manual focus lens user are:
compatibility with manual lenses:
Olympus is best as it can nearly mount them all, Canon is second (but it can mount the most important), Pentax is last because it can not mount some important lenses like Contax/Yashica (yes, I know, you can modify the lenses, but it's not something wise to do on valuable lenses).
crop factor:
Canon and Pentax are best with 1.6x crop factor, Olympus is last because the 2x crop factor will be seriously limiting you with wide open lenses (a 28mm lens becomes like a 56mm lens) _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Katastrofo
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 10405 Location: USA
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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Katastrofo wrote:
Canon is also best in show for low noise at higher ISO.
Bill |
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
I agree to Orio and that's why Canon is the best compromise for MF lenses.
If I could find a D30 in good condition with not too many clicks (shutter!) for under $150,- I think I would buy it. _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
Carsten, former Moderator
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Old list: http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic.php?t=65 (Not up-to-date, sorry!) | http://www.lucispictor.de | http://www.alensaweek.wordpress.com |
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Laurence
Joined: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 4809 Location: Western Washington State
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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Laurence wrote:
Thank you ALL! It is wonderful to be able to have first-rate opinions, simply with a few clicks of my computer!
I am taking this carefully, as I have a "set amount" of money that I save for my camera hobby. I promised my family that I won't exceed my budget, and frankly I think that is eminently fair.
So, I will look for a good price ratio, and take it slow. When the opportunity arises, I'll be prepared. No hurry, no muss, no fuss! That's the way I like it!
I always have a sort of "background urge" to get out there and shoot with my old Revuenon and M42 lenses...it's like when I used to run long distances a lot - it becomes almost an addiction!
But, the tactile pleasure of "loading in the film" and "self-determining the exposure and shutter speed", and the "wondering how it came out" is gratifying for me.
And, perhaps because of my age, I simply like the "analog" mechanics and the fact that I can simply store negs and transparencies in folders with nearly instant access. Sometimes it is good to get away from digital, for keeping my mind in order if nothing else.
So, while I think that a digital SLR will be a fun project for getting "instant testing" of various lenses, as well as a good adjunct to this forum for lens reviews, it will be only "another tool" for use.
Thanks again, I'll keep my "eyes open". _________________
Assent, and you are sane;
Demur,—you ’re straightway dangerous,
And handled with a chain.
Emily Dickinson
Cameras and Lenses in Use:
Yashica Mat 124 w/ Yashinon 80/3.5,
CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
Pentax 645,
Flek 50,
Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
Tamron Adaptall 28/2.5
Tamron Adaptall SP 300/2.8 LD (IF)
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montecarlo
Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 1865 Location: Romania
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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montecarlo wrote:
Laurence wrote: |
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But, the tactile pleasure of "loading in the film" and "self-determining the exposure and shutter speed", and the "wondering how it came out" is gratifying for me.
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Yes, me too . Thats why I didn't give up the film shooting , even its more expensive. Anyway, in order to protect the digital one, it seems that this winter will be longer and colder than the last one, so good occasion and reason to shoot film, if there were not enough other reasons already.
Just a mechanical camera and low temperature can't stop you taking pictures.
EDIT. I changed can to can't . This is right _________________ Canonet QL17 III
Zenit E , Helios-44 58mm f:2.0 , Tair-11A 135mm f:2.8, Jupiter-9 85mm f:2.0,
Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 35mm f:2.4
Pentax MX, ME Super, Chinon CE4/CM4, Petri MC 28mm f:2, smc Pentax-M 50mm f:1.7, Soligor T 135mm f:2.8
Minolta X500, Tokina 28/2.8, Rokkor 50/1.7, 80-205/4.5
Nikon D90, Nikkor 35/2.0, Nikkor 50/1.8, Sigma 24/2.8, Nikkor 18-105 VR
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peterqd
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 7448 Location: near High Wycombe, UK
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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peterqd wrote:
Laurence wrote: |
But, the tactile pleasure of "loading in the film" and "self-determining the exposure and shutter speed", and the "wondering how it came out" is gratifying for me. |
Absolutely! |
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
montecarlo wrote: |
Laurence wrote: |
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But, the tactile pleasure of "loading in the film" and "self-determining the exposure and shutter speed", and the "wondering how it came out" is gratifying for me.
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Yes, me too . Thats why I didn't give up the film shooting , even its more expensive. Anyway, in order to protect the digital one, it seems that this winter will be longer and colder than the last one, so good occasion and reason to shoot film, if there were not enough other reasons already.
Just a mechanical camera and low temperature can stop you taking pictures. |
Both of you are so right!
With my film SLR and rangefinder cams I look very calm towards the bad and cold weather in the next months. _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
Carsten, former Moderator
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Carsten = "KAPCTEH" = "Karusutenu" | T-shirt?.........................My photos from Emilia: http://www.schouler.net/emilia/emilia2011.html
My gear: http://retrocameracs.wordpress.com/ausrustung/
Old list: http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic.php?t=65 (Not up-to-date, sorry!) | http://www.lucispictor.de | http://www.alensaweek.wordpress.com |
http://www.retrocamera.de |
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Ivo
Joined: 07 Oct 2007 Posts: 109 Location: Maastricht
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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Ivo wrote:
I your MF lenses are M42 then Pentax is a very good buy, the system is designed with the capability of using old K and M42 lenses in mind. Nikon has a major disadvantage regarding the use of M42 lenses, the infinity focus. |
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Laurence
Joined: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 4809 Location: Western Washington State
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:51 am Post subject: |
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Laurence wrote:
Ivo wrote: |
I your MF lenses are M42 then Pentax is a very good buy, the system is designed with the capability of using old K and M42 lenses in mind. Nikon has a major disadvantage regarding the use of M42 lenses, the infinity focus. |
Hello Ivo: Yes, the Pentax is in my "sights" as well. I have always admired the K10d since it came out. It's more money than I want to spend at this time; I will have to see if I want to wait a longer time for such a camera.
Again, the main thing is that I appreciate these suggestions.
All the digital cameras made in the past few years are probably quite good. There are differences between them, but overall they are all amazing pieces of gear. So my final decision will probably have to do with color rendition, shutter actuations, crop factor, lens compatibility, and ease of use.
I am not so concerned about high ISO noise issues, as I use a tripod 80% of the time. If I want to "shoot from the hip" without a tripod, I think lenses similar to my fast Mamiya-Sekor 55/1.4 will be sufficient for those "quick shots" in lower light. _________________
Assent, and you are sane;
Demur,—you ’re straightway dangerous,
And handled with a chain.
Emily Dickinson
Cameras and Lenses in Use:
Yashica Mat 124 w/ Yashinon 80/3.5,
CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
Pentax 645,
Flek 50,
Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
Tamron Adaptall 28/2.5
Tamron Adaptall SP 300/2.8 LD (IF)
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mfkita
Joined: 29 Jul 2007 Posts: 222
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:30 am Post subject: the D30 has great tonal quality... |
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mfkita wrote:
A year ago it was my first Dslr and felt it was a great intro/transition from film slr...
easy to use in P mode...disliked the "zoom" mode on the review LCD.
This is 1/4 of the full frame shot taken the first hour in my hands...(if the color isn't quite right it's because I shot it in Jpeg before I knew about RAW...
I upgraded to a 10D a month after I got the D30, tho I did just sell it when I came up with a cheap 350D... _________________ I favor the simple shot...and uncomplicated technology that won't distract me from seeing it...
NIKON D610, Canon 30D/450D/s90/A570is: Canon 35/2, 50/1.8 MKI, 18-55IS, 28-105/3.5-4.5, 70-210/3.5-4.5; MF Nikkors 50/2K, 50/1.4AIS, 60/2.8 Micro, 85/1.8-K (AI'd), 135/2.8K, 135/2.8Q.C, 180/2.8ED, 200/4Q (AI-cut), 200/4AIS, 300/4.5-H (AI'd), Olympus 24/2.8, Vivitar 28/2, Vivitar S1 70-210/3.5 and S1 28-90;Tamron sp90/2.5; (and 28-85 AF nikkor), 35mm Nikon F, FM, FE2/MD12 drive |
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Laurence
Joined: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 4809 Location: Western Washington State
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 5:45 am Post subject: |
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Laurence wrote:
VERY nice, especially such a partial crop from the original. I imagine you will be making even more beauties from your new acquisition! _________________
Assent, and you are sane;
Demur,—you ’re straightway dangerous,
And handled with a chain.
Emily Dickinson
Cameras and Lenses in Use:
Yashica Mat 124 w/ Yashinon 80/3.5,
CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
Pentax 645,
Flek 50,
Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
Tamron Adaptall 28/2.5
Tamron Adaptall SP 300/2.8 LD (IF)
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Jesito
Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 5745 Location: Olivella, Catalonia, (Spain)
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:38 am Post subject: |
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Jesito wrote:
Great!. It's very gratifying to see people like you backing up the classic photography.
Long life to the film!.
Best regards,
Jes. _________________ Jesito, Moderator
Jesito's backsack:
Zooms Sigma 70-300, Tamron 35-135 and 70-210 short, 70-210 long, 28-70 CF Macro, 35-70, 35-80, Vivitar 70-210 KA, Tamron 70-250.
Fixed Industar-50, , Tamron 24mm, Tamron 135mm, Sands Hunter 135mm, Pancolar 50mm, Volna-3, many Exakta lenses
DSLR SIGMA SD9 & SD14, EOS 5D, Sony A700 and NEXF3, Oly E-330, E-400, E-450, E-1
TLR/6x6/645 YashicaMat, Petri 6x45, Nettar, Franka Solida, Brilliant
SLR Minolta X300, Fuji STX II, Praktica VLC3, Pentax P30t, EXA500, EXA 1A, Spotmatic(2), Chinon CM-4S, Ricoh, Contax, Konica TC-X , Minolta 5000, 7000i, 3Sxi, EOS 500 and CX
Rangefinders Chinon 35EE, Konica C35 auto, Canonet 28, Yashica Lynx, FED-2, Yashica electro 35, Argus C3 & C4, Regula Cita III, Voigtlander Vitoret (many), Welta Welti-I, Kodak Signette 35, Zorki-4, Bessa-R & L, Minolta Weathermatic, olympus XA2
Compact Film Konica C35V, Voigtlander Vitorets, Canon Prima Super 105, Olympus XA2 and XA3
Compact Digital Olympus C-5050, Aiptek Slim 3000, Canon Powershot A540, Nikon 5200, SIGMA DP1s, Polaroid X530, IXUS55, Kodak 6490, Powershot G9 and G10
CSCCanon EOS-M, Samsung NX100 and NX210, Lumix G5, NEX-F3 |
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