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[cropping] Majorette girl with hat
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks. Smile I would like your opinion on the following.
Which crop do you prefer?
I can find arguments in favour of (or against) both:








Leica Summicron-R 90 on EOS 400D.

p.s. the photo is front focused by the hurry, not on purpose. None the less, I decided to keep it, because I love the distant expression of her gaze.


PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy, #1! The first one BREATHES, the second one doesn't.


PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Katastrofo wrote:
Easy, #1! The first one BREATHES, the second one doesn't.


yeah, I know, you are right.... but I am disturbed by the dark ribbon on the top of the hat...


PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's worth the price to gain that real estate...


PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Katastrofo wrote:
I think it's worth the price to gain that real estate...


You have convinced me. The first one is more harmonious in balance.
OK, choice is set.


PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good! You did post the better one first, after all. Wink


PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Katastrofo wrote:
Good! You did post the better one first, after all. Wink


Yeah. First one is whole frame. By instinct I tend to always balance on the frame. I wished I could be more free. I actually wish I had a camera whose frame ratio is adjustable on the moment.


PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say drink a couple of glasses of wine first, but that might affect your
focus. LOL

Bill


PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Katastrofo wrote:
I would say drink a couple of glasses of wine first, but that might affect your
focus. LOL Bill


Affect my focus more than this? I really hope not! Laughing


PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 3:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, I like this new section, Orio!


PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 3:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Katastrofo wrote:
Hey, I like this new section, Orio!


Yes... well, it was long needed.

I put it down in the list, so it doesn't get in the way of the main forums.


PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't see significant difference.


PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the second version (of course). I keep getting drawn to the bright highlight behind the hat. The dark ribbon does not bother me at all.


PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I prefer the first one. The second feels too rigid somehow.


PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd prefer a vertical framing to get rid of all the whites behind and because my style (wrong or rightly) is bringing me to shot horizontal just for panoramas.

If I have to choose the second one because there are less distracting elements in the scene.


PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A G Photography wrote:
I'd prefer a vertical framing to get rid of all the whites behind


I would accept a non perfect focus (like this one) in a photograph if the context means something. To crop vertical close to the figure would mean to compress it, and without anything else around, it would just look like a blurred portrait I think.
For me, the background here means something she's in the middle of but probably not really into with her mind. They give meaning to her gaze being distant - if you know what I mean (to look at something distant, that you don't see, you need to have something else near by to look away from...)


PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with what you're saying Orio and for this shot I'd just crop out the more distracting things like you did in the second version.
I was saying that I'm developing the habit to frame most of my shots vertically because is the way we are used to see images from centuries.

Paintings, drawings, photos in magazines, etc use horizontal format mostly for panoramas and group shots and for good reasons. About all the other subjects are vertical.

Sure there is the odd image sometimes when you need something different to express your vision, all the "rules" can be bend, like in this case.

But since our more natural way to shot is the horizontal one I think it was useful to state here that vertical is the way to go 95% of cases when we're shooting portraits. I had to think to rotate the camera, now it's almost natural to me.

Shifting to MF 6x6 or 6x7 could also be a solution Razz LOL