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trifox
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| kds315* wrote: | | trifox wrote: | | Quote: | | As a "Zeiss afficionado" I personally would go for the Contax version of course, .....................the Zeiss is about EUR1000 MORE.... |
AAARRRGGH the same problem again -- money and value !! 
thanks!
tf |
But I doubt that the performance difference is worth that amount!! |
That sounds great !!!! --
but why would you prefer Distagon 15 rather than Pentax then?
only for CZ patriotism?
thanks...
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kds315*
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| Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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| trifox wrote: | | kds315* wrote: | | trifox wrote: | | Quote: | | As a "Zeiss afficionado" I personally would go for the Contax version of course, .....................the Zeiss is about EUR1000 MORE.... |
AAARRRGGH the same problem again -- money and value !!
thanks!
tf |
But I doubt that the performance difference is worth that amount!! |
That sounds great !!!! --
but why would you prefer Distagon 15 rather than Pentax then?
only for CZ patriotism?
thanks...
tf |
Just because I would like to complete my collection and I don't have to insult my camera using Pentax glass since she is used to ZEISS ... BIGGRIN
But without kidding, ZEISS is GREAT glass, no question and acutance is simply the best you can get; but is has its price and the ZEISS tag adds some $$$$ to it, unfortunately (same with Leitz/LEICA) - quite a bit is emotions rather than measurable facts.
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trifox
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| Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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I would go for it ---
even if it would take me a long time
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Attila
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| Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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You can't go wrong with any Zeiss lenses, not many manufacturer produce so stable quality on their each lenses. Higher price generally means rare lens, quality is always superb.
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Carl Zeiss Jena:Flektogon 2.8/20mm,4/25mm,2.4/35,2.8/65mm,4.5/4cm Tessar, 8/500mm Fernobjektiv
Pancolar 1.4/55mm,1.8/50mm,1.8/80mm,Tessar 2.8/50mm,Biotar 2/58mm,1.5/75mm,1.5/7,5cm
Carl Zeiss: Sonnar 2.8/135,2.8/180mm,Tessar 4/135mm
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Pentax: Pentax 1.2/50mm,1.8/85mm,4/200mm
Helios: Helios-40 1.5/8,5cm,Helios-44-1 2/58mm,Helios-44-2 2/58mm
Olympus OM: 3.5/18mm,3.5/21mm,1.4/50mm,3.5/55mm macro,2.8/135mm,2/90mm macro,35-70mm,60-250mm
Meyer: 4.5/35mm Primagon,Primoplan 1.9/58mm,1.9/75mm,2.8/100mm,Orestegor 2.8/135mm,4.5/40 Helioplan
Leica: 4/100 Macro Elmar,2.8/90 Elmarit last version
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bob955i
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| Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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I say go for it - I had the chance of a NIB Distagon 21 but dithered because of the price and eventually lost out.
I never dither, but I did that time.
It won't happen again. 
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Throndor
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| Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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| kds315* wrote: | Thanks Andy - I thought I had a bit too much Bordeaux tonite...
But honestly, the C/Y 3.5/15mm is a famous lens and Zeiss chief designer Prof. Glatzel did a fantastic job. Funny to notice that my friend Marco Cavina found out that the Pentax SMC 3.5/15mm was also designed (and later re-designed) be him!! Leitz also used his design for their Super Elmar-R 3.5/15mm, which was later superseded by a 2.8/15mm which was not based on a Zeiss design.
So if you plan on using it with a Canon EOS, a Pentax SMC 3.5/15mm + PK mount adaptor is a much more affordeable solution at about $1000. |
Will i ever cease to be amazed by your experience Klaus. You are the Gandalf of lenses..
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trifox
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| Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Throndor wrote: | | kds315* wrote: | Thanks Andy - I thought I had a bit too much Bordeaux tonite...
But honestly, the C/Y 3.5/15mm is a famous lens and Zeiss chief designer Prof. Glatzel did a fantastic job. Funny to notice that my friend Marco Cavina found out that the Pentax SMC 3.5/15mm was also designed (and later re-designed) be him!! Leitz also used his design for their Super Elmar-R 3.5/15mm, which was later superseded by a 2.8/15mm which was not based on a Zeiss design.
So if you plan on using it with a Canon EOS, a Pentax SMC 3.5/15mm + PK mount adaptor is a much more affordeable solution at about $1000. |
Will i ever cease to be amazed by your experience Klaus. You are the Gandalf of lenses.. |
yes I agree - Klaus has got a great knowledge !!! Seriously ..
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Attila
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| Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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We are lucky really with Klaus that for sure!
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Carl Zeiss Jena:Flektogon 2.8/20mm,4/25mm,2.4/35,2.8/65mm,4.5/4cm Tessar, 8/500mm Fernobjektiv
Pancolar 1.4/55mm,1.8/50mm,1.8/80mm,Tessar 2.8/50mm,Biotar 2/58mm,1.5/75mm,1.5/7,5cm
Carl Zeiss: Sonnar 2.8/135,2.8/180mm,Tessar 4/135mm
Nikon: 3.5/20mm,2.8/28mm,1.4/35mm,1.4/50mm,1.2/50mm,2/50mm,1.8/105mm,2.5/105mm,4/200mm macro,4.5/300mm
Pentax: Pentax 1.2/50mm,1.8/85mm,4/200mm
Helios: Helios-40 1.5/8,5cm,Helios-44-1 2/58mm,Helios-44-2 2/58mm
Olympus OM: 3.5/18mm,3.5/21mm,1.4/50mm,3.5/55mm macro,2.8/135mm,2/90mm macro,35-70mm,60-250mm
Meyer: 4.5/35mm Primagon,Primoplan 1.9/58mm,1.9/75mm,2.8/100mm,Orestegor 2.8/135mm,4.5/40 Helioplan
Leica: 4/100 Macro Elmar,2.8/90 Elmarit last version
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kds315*
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Throndor wrote: | | kds315* wrote: | Thanks Andy - I thought I had a bit too much Bordeaux tonite...
But honestly, the C/Y 3.5/15mm is a famous lens and Zeiss chief designer Prof. Glatzel did a fantastic job. Funny to notice that my friend Marco Cavina found out that the Pentax SMC 3.5/15mm was also designed (and later re-designed) be him!! Leitz also used his design for their Super Elmar-R 3.5/15mm, which was later superseded by a 2.8/15mm which was not based on a Zeiss design.
So if you plan on using it with a Canon EOS, a Pentax SMC 3.5/15mm + PK mount adaptor is a much more affordeable solution at about $1000. |
Will i ever cease to be amazed by your experience Klaus. You are the Gandalf of lenses.. |
....if you do "lens hunting" as a hobby for many years, you automatically accumulate quite some knowledge, I guess - but honestly it is great fun for me!!
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kds315*
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Found something interesting from Dario Bonazza, italian Pentax "guru":
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At 1972 edition of Photokina a couple of ultra-wide-angle lenses were introduced contemporarily by both Carl Zeiss and Asahi Optical Co: the HFT Distagon f/3.5 15mm in Rollei bayonet mount for Rolleiflex SL35 and the SMC Takumar f/3.5 15mm in Pentax M42 screw-in mount. Both lenses featured 12-group 13-element construction and a minimum focusing distance of 0.3m. The Carl Zeiss lens followed the unlucky fate of Rollei cameras and was discontinued soon after to be resumed a few years later for the Contax RTS as the Carl Zeiss Distagon f/3.5 15mm, then it was also added to the Leica SLR outfit as the Leitz Super- Elmar-R. This late Zeiss design has the minimum focusing distance reduced to 0.16m. The SMC Takumar was not on sale immediatly and was available only from 1974 edition of Photokina on. Its price in Japan was one-third that of the Distagon and half that of the existing Nikkor f/5.6 15mm, while in Italy difference was even greater. Although of very sturdy construction it was much lighter than its competitors. It was and it is a superb lens of retro-focus design, thus allowing normal swing-up operation of the mirror. Its sophisticated design featuring an aspherical glass element (darker lens in the diagram left) corrects perfectly both distortion and coma. The distortion-free super-wide-angle field allows shooting indoors, architecture, exaggeration of perspective for creative shots, special effects and scientific photography. In 1975 with the introduction of the K series cameras it became the SMC Pentax f/3.5 15mm, then in 1984 following the development of Pentax cameras it offered shutter priority and program operation, becoming the SMC Pentax-A f/3.5 15mm lens, still on Pentax price list today. The major difference between Zeiss and Asahi designs is the German lens doesn't feature an aspherical element as the Japanese does: does this mean the SMC Takumar or Pentax beats the Distagon? Who knows? A comparative test should be necessary to state this; for certain this ultra-wide-angle from AOC is a really excellent performer, being in awe of no competitor. Framing the world via the SMC Takumar or Pentax 15mm is an experience very different from a fish-eye: you'll be amazed by those perfectly straight lines - at edges too - at first glance, then you'll realize it is one of the few true masterpieces in optics and you'll fall in love with this marvel, it happened to me. If you need or like ultra-wide-angle perspective look for this lens in the secondhand market, it's really worth its price and you'll never repent.
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