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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lightshow wrote:
Very nice find Cabessius, it's a very early one, of the earliest I've ever seen(any that stop down to f22 are very early, late 50's?), older than mine(00008xx), but seen more abuse than mine, it's worth having it CLA'd and have the dents removed from the filter ring.


Yes, I want to CLA it.
Does anyone know about a place to do that in Europe?.


PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Cabessius,

Some folk say that the 000xxxx denotes preproduction/test models or prototypes. There's no definitive proof. There are old stories about them being reserved for party officials etc., with the subsequent argument that these lenses were made tae a higher standard than the others.

The 000 probably means 1960. The first zero or number, in the serial no., was the year of manufacture of Helios lenses 'til 1971, when they started using the first 2 digits. Probably no later than the early 60s as the f22 was phased out sometime around then. You have a rare lens, it's worth a CLA. Mine's is 00xxxx, made in 1961, fitted to a Zenit 3M and sold in early January 1962 ( ah have the provenance, in the shape of receipts and authentication certificates from the build)

Only the START version was made before 1960 (1958). The standard version first appeared in 1960/61.[/b]


PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TAo2 wrote:
Hi Cabessius,

Some folk say that the 000xxxx denotes preproduction/test models or prototypes. There's no definitive proof. There are old stories about them being reserved for party officials etc., with the subsequent argument that these lenses were made tae a higher standard than the others.

The 000 probably means 1960. The first zero or number, in the serial no., was the year of manufacture of Helios lenses 'til 1971, when they started using the first 2 digits. Probably no later than the early 60s as the f22 was phased out sometime around then. You have a rare lens, it's worth a CLA. Mine's is 00xxxx, made in 1961, fitted to a Zenit 3M and sold in early January 1962 ( ah have the provenance, in the shape of receipts and authentication certificates from the build)

Only the START version was made before 1960 (1958). The standard version first appeared in 1960/61.[/b]

Thanks, awesome answer.
I also think that the numbers depend on the manufacturing date instead of pre-production or gifts for VIPs.


PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The VIP thing seemed plausible at the time, but as more serial numbers are seen, it just seems like they started at 0000001 and at some point few years later they switched to a date code prefix.


PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm having some trouble recognizing my lenses by the SN.

I have two Helios 44's (44-2 and 44M)

The Helios 44-2 has a SN of "N7016639" KMZ Glossy black paint + white letters (seeming to be the model 1.a.v1)
The Helios 44M has a SN of "8031174" KMZ

Since almost all examples start with zeros, and the helios version starting with a 7 didn't have a N before the numbers, I seem to have trouble matching them to the versions stated in the post.


PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,
i found some Helios 44-2 lenses id like to get for myself...is there any particular difference between 'zebra' https://www.kupujemprodajem.com/big-photo-55956138-4.htm
and non zebra model https://www.kupujemprodajem.com/big-photo-51128398-2.htm ?
as far as i can see, the zebra model is MMZ make, and the other is Valdai.
Also there is https://www.kupujemprodajem.com/big-photo-46365983-3.htm which should be bearing KMZ logo. They all look clean and are reported to be in working condition.
Im personally leaning to zebra one, but would welcome recommendation.

Id be using them with M42 adapter with Nikon D3000 - im just experimenting with old lenses, started recently. Thanks for any suggestion.


PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They should be all good for photo, no special recommandation here for me.


PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello everyone,

Just found this Helios 44M, however there are certain things that I don´t know if they are right because it is quite different to other 44M´s out there.

Serial number shouldn´t be there right?






Also if you compare the cyrilic word "Helios" it does not match 100% with other samples I have watch. (Specially for the third character).

Is this a fake or it is an actual model not listed here?

Thank you.


PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Early copies of the 44M have serial numbers inscribed on the name ring. They're quite rare.
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