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themoleman342


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Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 1:50 am Post subject: |
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Well going by the serial numbers that I've managed to get from the forum the transition between 8 blades and 13 blades in the KMZ make silver version is between 023xxxx and 031xxxx. The one that is coming to me is at 026xxxx. There is most likely some overlap and outliers in that production however but it gives a so-so range. Hopefully I get lucky. _________________ I've been doing a lot of abstract photography lately, extremely abstract. No camera, no lens, no film, I just think about it.
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cps_goodbuy
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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Pretty much just registered guys. So, Hello from Ireland!
I bought a "black" helios 44-2 "I think" on ebay and waiting for it to arrive. I have been told it was a 13 blade (the reason why I bought it). Any idea what the lense version may be? Either way, it'll be my first helios!
Will update when it arrives and with pics!  |
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estudleon


Joined: 15 May 2008 Posts: 2690 Location: Argentina
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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Welcome cps_goodbuy from Ireland.
Waiting your helios pics!
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Attila


Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 27569 Location: Budapest,Hungary
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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| cps_goodbuy wrote: | Pretty much just registered guys. So, Hello from Ireland!
I bought a "black" helios 44-2 "I think" on ebay and waiting for it to arrive. I have been told it was a 13 blade (the reason why I bought it). Any idea what the lense version may be? Either way, it'll be my first helios!
Will update when it arrives and with pics!  |
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martinsmith99


Joined: 31 Aug 2008 Posts: 2294 Location: S Glos, UK
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cps_goodbuy
Joined: 11 Aug 2009 Posts: 14
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Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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My big update is! ...that it didn't arrive today
actually I wanted to see if my sig comes up  _________________ Pentax K10D "Grand Prix", K10D, and *Ist DS
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themoleman342


Joined: 21 Oct 2007 Posts: 925 Location: U.S.A.
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Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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To my knowledge 13 bladed helios 44-2s don't exist. Maybe a custom job?
I got my 44 today, serial number: 0252503, KMZ make. 'Only' 8 blades! Bah! _________________ I've been doing a lot of abstract photography lately, extremely abstract. No camera, no lens, no film, I just think about it.
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cps_goodbuy
Joined: 11 Aug 2009 Posts: 14
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Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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Thats unlucky, maybe next time?
What do you guys think a Kmount version may be worth?
And yeah, maybe a custom job, Maybe I should make my own 44-2 kmount 13blade  _________________ Pentax K10D "Grand Prix", K10D, and *Ist DS
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themoleman342


Joined: 21 Oct 2007 Posts: 925 Location: U.S.A.
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Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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The K mount helios' isn't a 44-2 either unless converted though there would be no reason to do this. 44k-4 would be the one you are looking for. Not worth much more than the 44m-4. _________________ I've been doing a lot of abstract photography lately, extremely abstract. No camera, no lens, no film, I just think about it.
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cps_goodbuy
Joined: 11 Aug 2009 Posts: 14
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Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:46 am Post subject: |
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Found a 44k-4 for about 40pounds, which I think is a little much, hopefully I'll be happy with the one being sent to me
btw, will definitely put up photos, is this the best place to do it?
Edit: Still hasn't arrived, and seller hasn't accepted paypal payment??  _________________ Pentax K10D "Grand Prix", K10D, and *Ist DS
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DavidVT
Joined: 29 Sep 2009 Posts: 5
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Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:20 pm Post subject: Helios-44 m39 |
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Hello,
Being new to this forum and trying to find my way around, I wanted to ask the following question: I just bought myself a pristine condition m39 helios-44 in alu finish (hasn't arrived yet) of which I wanted some info about, because in contradiction to every other Helios-44 I ever saw and because I couldn't find anything on the net about it, there are some things that struck me as being "not that frequent". It has a red sign on the front, just like my 1958 m39 industar-50 (indicating some kind of coating?), and most of all, it has an aperture range going from f2 to f22 (not f16). Any info on this particular lens? SN is 0001243...
Thanks for any input,
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Attila


Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 27569 Location: Budapest,Hungary
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Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:26 pm Post subject: Re: Helios-44 m39 |
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| DavidVT wrote: | Hello,
Being new to this forum and trying to find my way around, I wanted to ask the following question: I just bought myself a pristine condition m39 helios-44 in alu finish (hasn't arrived yet) of which I wanted some info about, because in contradiction to every other Helios-44 I ever saw and because I couldn't find anything on the net about it, there are some things that struck me as being "not that frequent". It has a red sign on the front, just like my 1958 m39 industar-50 (indicating some kind of coating?), and most of all, it has an aperture range going from f2 to f22 (not f16). Any info on this particular lens? SN is 0001243...
Thanks for any input,
David Van thuyne |
Nice lens and pretty rare I have some copies one of them was tested by my friend Orio on Canon 5D he did rate very close to Leica.
Taken by a very old well scratched copy.
http://www.mflenses.com/gallery/v/russian_lens/Helios/helios-44-alu-M39/ _________________
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Carl Zeiss Jena:Flektogon 2.8/20mm,4/25mm,2.4/35,2.8/65mm,4.5/4cm Tessar, 8/500mm Fernobjektiv
Pancolar 1.4/55mm,1.8/50mm,1.8/80mm,Tessar 2.8/50mm,Biotar 2/58mm,1.5/75mm,1.5/7,5cm
Carl Zeiss: Sonnar 2.8/135,2.8/180mm,Tessar 4/135mm
Nikon:2.8/20mm, 2.8/28mm,1.4/35mm,1.4/50mm,2/50mm,1.8/85mm,2/85mm,2.8/135mm
Pentax: Pentax 1.2/50mm,1.8/85mm,4/200mm
Helios: Helios-40 1.5/8,5cm,Helios-44-1 2/58mm,Helios-44-2 2/58mm
Olympus OM: 3.5/18mm,3.5/21mm,3.5/55mm macro,2/90mm macro,35-70mm
Meyer: 4.5/35mm Primagon,Primoplan 1.9/58mm,1.9/75mm,2.8/100mm,Orestegor 2.8/135mm,4.5/40 Helioplan
Leica: 4/100 Macro
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OWSIU
Joined: 01 Oct 2009 Posts: 11 Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 5:02 am Post subject: |
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Hi everyone, my first post here =). I recently picked up this helios 44-2 in mint condition. It has white aperture markings with yellow distance scale markings. It has the KMZ logo on it. The serial reads "0083xxx", is this one of the early ones made for communist party members, or just one made in 2000?
Sorry about the bad pictures, it's the only ones I have on had at the moment.
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dimitrygo

Joined: 01 Apr 2009 Posts: 58
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Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:29 pm Post subject: Re: Helios-44 m39 |
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| DavidVT wrote: | Hello,
Being new to this forum and trying to find my way around, I wanted to ask the following question: I just bought myself a pristine condition m39 helios-44 in alu finish (hasn't arrived yet) of which I wanted some info about, because in contradiction to every other Helios-44 I ever saw and because I couldn't find anything on the net about it, there are some things that struck me as being "not that frequent". It has a red sign on the front, just like my 1958 m39 industar-50 (indicating some kind of coating?), and most of all, it has an aperture range going from f2 to f22 (not f16). Any info on this particular lens? SN is 0001243... |
Interesting, I am awaiting for my copy of the same lens, number 0006745.
It has 13 blades aperture so it can go down to 22. The red mark is russian letter П (equivalent of english P) and means "Coated" or "Coating". I paid USD $40 for my copy including shipping and M39 to M42 adapter ring, and still think it is not too much. How much did you pay for yours? |
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Attila


Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 27569 Location: Budapest,Hungary
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Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:50 pm Post subject: Re: Helios-44 m39 |
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| dimitrygo wrote: | | DavidVT wrote: | Hello,
Being new to this forum and trying to find my way around, I wanted to ask the following question: I just bought myself a pristine condition m39 helios-44 in alu finish (hasn't arrived yet) of which I wanted some info about, because in contradiction to every other Helios-44 I ever saw and because I couldn't find anything on the net about it, there are some things that struck me as being "not that frequent". It has a red sign on the front, just like my 1958 m39 industar-50 (indicating some kind of coating?), and most of all, it has an aperture range going from f2 to f22 (not f16). Any info on this particular lens? SN is 0001243... |
Interesting, I am awaiting for my copy of the same lens, number 0006745.
It has 13 blades aperture so it can go down to 22. The red mark is russian letter П (equivalent of english P) and means "Coated" or "Coating". I paid USD $40 for my copy including shipping and M39 to M42 adapter ring, and still think it is not too much. How much did you pay for yours? |
I strongly beleive you did hit a jackpot, low serial number means this is possible made by right after wwii by Zeiss people on Zeiss machines from Zeiss material. I have similar experience with my early Helios-40 85mm f1.5 better than any other later revision including Helios 40-2 copies what I did test. I look forward your samples! _________________
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[color=black][b]35mm rangefinderKonica III,Bessa L,Yashica Electro GN,Canonette QL 17
35mm SLRKonica FM,Konica FP,Konica FT-1,Konica FC-1,Konica TC4,Nikon FA,Exakta VarexIIa,Fujica ST801
Carl Zeiss Jena:Flektogon 2.8/20mm,4/25mm,2.4/35,2.8/65mm,4.5/4cm Tessar, 8/500mm Fernobjektiv
Pancolar 1.4/55mm,1.8/50mm,1.8/80mm,Tessar 2.8/50mm,Biotar 2/58mm,1.5/75mm,1.5/7,5cm
Carl Zeiss: Sonnar 2.8/135,2.8/180mm,Tessar 4/135mm
Nikon:2.8/20mm, 2.8/28mm,1.4/35mm,1.4/50mm,2/50mm,1.8/85mm,2/85mm,2.8/135mm
Pentax: Pentax 1.2/50mm,1.8/85mm,4/200mm
Helios: Helios-40 1.5/8,5cm,Helios-44-1 2/58mm,Helios-44-2 2/58mm
Olympus OM: 3.5/18mm,3.5/21mm,3.5/55mm macro,2/90mm macro,35-70mm
Meyer: 4.5/35mm Primagon,Primoplan 1.9/58mm,1.9/75mm,2.8/100mm,Orestegor 2.8/135mm,4.5/40 Helioplan
Leica: 4/100 Macro
Konica:21mm f4, 28mm f3.5,35mm f2.8,50mm f1.4,57mm f1.2,85mm f1.8,100mm f2.8,135mm f3.5,135mm f3.2,200mm f3.5,4/300mm,40cm f4.5
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