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themoleman342
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 Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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The helios 44-3m was a consumer version but was not produced in high numbers. The removable block allows the lens to be used primarily as a macro lens on bellows or as an enlarger lens. It was just designed to a multi-purpose lens.
I beseech you David, do not 'fix' the lens to make it work on your digital. The problem is that the register distance is less than typical m42 lenses. You have an uncommon version there and someone before you took great care of it. Buy a more typical, and much more plentiful 44-2, and the focus should be ok on that.
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torbod
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| Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 10:56 am Post subject: |
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Some comparison shots, non scientific, but some may find it interesting perhaps.
The lenses:
Helios 44 early 39mm ALU version KMZ
Helios 44M-4 KMZ
For comparison:
Super Takumar first version 50 1.4
SMC Takumar 55 1.8
Helios 44 @ 2
Helios 44M-4 @ 2
Super Tak 50 1.4 (fist version) @ 2
SMC Takumar 55 1.8 @ 1.8
Helios 44 @ 2.8
Helios 44M-4 @ 2.8
Super Tak 50 1.4 (fist version) @ 2.8
SMC Takumar 55 1.8 @ 2.8
/T
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Pancolart
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| Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 11:14 am Post subject: |
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Nice bright light on samples. Did you perhaps forget to close aperture in second two Helios samples - circles have the same shape.
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torbod
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| Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 11:38 am Post subject: |
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I don't think so. When I look through the images from the hard drive in the picture browser I can see how they differ. The "web browser way" is not that good perhaps to show differences.
Anyway, the old 44 has a 13 blade aperture and don't differ that much when stopping down.
The 44M-4 has only 6 blades that starts to show after 2.8. In this set the bokeh is round and smooth at 2.8. Perhaps the images are too small to study.
I have some other samples that might be better for comparison, where 2.8 is showing some irregularity in the 44M-4.
/T
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dimitrygo
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| Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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| themoleman342 wrote: | | The helios 44-3m was a consumer version but was not produced in high numbers. The removable block allows the lens to be used primarily as a macro lens on bellows or as an enlarger lens. It was just designed to a multi-purpose lens. |
Can you please share your source of this information? |
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torbod
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| Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 2:15 pm Post subject: second set of bokeh |
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Hi again,
Here is another set, now only with Helios 44 and 44M-4.
Boring subject, but I took what I had...
Funny I have held the camera tilted on each image, amateur...
44 @ 2
44M-4 @ 2
44 @ 2.8
44M-4 @ 2.8
44 @ 4
44M-4 @ 4
The exposures differs slightly and of course the tilt and angle, all is hand held shots. Should not be of importance for bokeh comparisons.
/T
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Pancolart
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| Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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That 13 blades alu has very cool bokeh. I guess if one finds correctly calibrated sample it's nice alternative to Biotar. If handheld lens then my compliments to your photos.
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torbod
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| Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Pancolart wrote: | | That 13 blades alu has very cool bokeh. I guess if one finds correctly calibrated sample it's nice alternative to Biotar. If handheld lens then my compliments to your photos. |
Well, thank you. All I ever shoot is hand held. I don't have a proper tripod (yet). But that's why I like sharp fast lenses (although I have too few of course).
I really like the old one. It has one drawback though, I cannot get infinity focus with it. And the rings are rather flimsy since my father backed over it with the car(!!!) in the early eighties. But optically it is undamaged, cudos to KMZ for a solid build.
The 44M-4 has a very solid feel and a super smooth focus ring. I wonder if it is possible to switch aperture blades with the old one!?
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Pancolart
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| Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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I thought you held the lens to your camera but anyway good photos.
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torbod
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| Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 8:31 am Post subject: |
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| Pancolart wrote: | | I thought you held the lens to your camera but anyway good photos. |
Ahh, ok.
I have tried that too, but obviously with varying result 
I have found a good m39 to M42 adapter that doesn't affect focus distance so I can mount the M29 lens in my M42 adapter on the DSLR.
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Hari
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| Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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| no-X wrote: | It works for me on Zenit, but not on Praktica. I didn't try take the lens to parts and assemble it in a different way, but dismounting the focusing ring and reducing its height on a turning-lathe should be the easiest way how to "fix" it...
Or 1mm pad, if you don't mind lack of infinity focus... |
Hi Guys,
I'm still new to the world of DSLR's and M42 adaptors and whatnots so please bear with me
I have a 44-3 and I ran into this exact problem. I finally managed to unscrew the lens from the adaptor resulting in two heavily bleeding fingers.
So I bought another 44-3. Which also has the same problem.
Add one more heavily bleeding finger.
Now that I've read this post, I'm waiting for one from the 90's and I hope the problem will be resolved (though i do remember reading somewhere that it doesn't really have much to do with the production year)
Question : what is a 1mm pad / what does it look like and where can I get one?
Many Thanks,
Hari
p.s. - In a month I managed to add to my Russian collection (all M42's) the 44, 44-2 (some black versions + silver), 44-3, 44M (two different versions), 44M-4, 44-5, 44M-6, 44-7 MC, 44-2 that looks like the 44-3, 44K-4 MC and the 81N + Tair 11A (silver) + Jupiter 37A + Jupiter-21M + Zenitar M2 MC + Industar 50-2 - will post pix soon |
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Hari
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no-X
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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44M was manufactured by KMZ and JOV. There's also 44M MC, which is quite rare and which was probably manufactured only by KMZ.
= 3 models of 44M
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list of Helios 44 lenses | List of CZJ T-marked M42 lenses | I'm not absolutely retarded, English simply isn't my mother tongue :s)
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35mm: Super Takumar 35/2 PRO, S-M-C Takumar 35/2, S-M-C Takumar 35/3.5, CZJ eMC Flektogon 35/2.4, SC Curtagon 35/2.8, Vivitar 35/1.9, MG Primagon V 35/4.5, CZJ Tessar T 40/4.5
50mm: S-M-C Takumar 50/1.4, S-M-C Macro Takumar 50/4, Tomioka Cosinon MC 55/1.4, Tomioka Yashinon 55/1.2, Tomioka Macro Yashinon 60/2.8, CZJ Biotar T 58/2 preset, CZJ Biotar T 58/2 17-blades, CZJ eMC Pancolar 50/1.8, aJ Pancolar 55/1.4, KMZ Helios 44-2 58/2 00xxx, KMZ Helios 44-2 58/2 0xxx, MMZ Helios MC 44-3 58/2, Helios 77M 50/1.8, KMZ Zenitar M2s MC 50/2, KMZ Industar 50/3.5, MC Volna-9 Macro 50/2.8, MC Pentacon 50/1.8, MG Trioplan 50/2.9, MG Primoplan V 58/1.9, Voigtländer Color Ultron 50/1.8, Macro Prakticar 55/2.8
85mm:, CZJ Biotar T 75/1.5 M42, CZJ eMC Pancolar 80/1.8, aJ Biometar 80/2.8 P6 zebra, CZJ Biometar 80/2.8 M42, MG Primoplan V 75/1.9 [exa], MG Night Primoplan 80/1.9 [VP Night], KMZ Helios 40-2 85/1.5 (custom hybrid of 40 and 40-2), S-M-C Takumar 85/1.8, KMZ Jupiter-9 Π 8,5/2 M39, LZOS Jupiter-9 85/2 SLR M39, LZOS Jupiter-9 85/2 M42, Kodak Meniscus 90mm, MG Telefogar V 90/3.5, MG Trioplan V 100/2.8
over 100mm: Ernemann Kinostigmat 11cm, Voigtlander SL Macro APO Lanthar 125/2.5, Spiratone 135/1.8 plura-coat, KOMZ MC Jupiter 37AM 135/3.5, KOMZ Jupiter-11 135/4, KMZ Tair 11A 135/2.8, Pentacon preset 135/2.8 (bokehmonster), CZJ Sonnar MC 135/3.5, CZJ Triotar T 135/4, LR-A Pololyt 135/4.5 "T2", ZOMZ TAIR-3 300/4.5 |
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dimitrygo
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 6:25 pm Post subject: Re: Pix |
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You have Helios 44M-5 Non-MC version? Never heard about it, interesting. |
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dimitrygo
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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| no-X wrote: | There's also 44M MC, which is quite rare and which was probably manufactured only by KMZ.
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Did you ever see this version apart from this thread where I have posted it ? |
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