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Pancolart wrote:
I have one that looks exactly like 44-3 here: 
but it's 44-2. Nothing special i guess? |
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no-X wrote:
No! It's really a special lens! It was made by MMZ, it was their own design and it was the last version of Helios 44-2, which was ever produced. What's the serial number? 
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Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:22 am Post subject: Helios 44-2 MMZ |
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Pancolart wrote:
Wow, i am glad to hear that! Serial nr. 8826220 and the lens is in perfect condition. Please let me know the aproximate value.
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no-X wrote:
It's from 1988. Its value is not much higher than other Helios lenses has, because most lens collectors don't care about these lenses and this version is pretty unknown to majority of MFL users. It has a bit more contrast and sharpness, than other 44-2.
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As a Helios-44 collector (lolz), I'd love to have this, but I wouldn't pay much more for this than any other Helios-44 (I might pay a bit more for 44M-7 MC). Your specimen, I must say, looks beautiful, though 
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Pancolart wrote:
Thank you both. I am glad i didn't give it away when i was selling other inherited Zenit cameras. I will consider selling or exchange it for some other lens, i am more photographer then collector, so... |
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no-X wrote:
I've just discovered a problem with early version of Helios-44-3 MC. If you try to screw the lens in M42 adapter, the focusing ring will touch the adapter and it won't be possible to screw in the lens completely.
I compared it to my 44-3 (1993):
red = surface, which should touch the M42 adapter
yellow = focusing ring
blue and green = different thickness of the focusing rings
As you can see, the older version has the register surface located deeper than the flange of focusing ring. It isn't a problem on Zenit cameras, but M42 adaptors and some M42 cameras don't handle it well...
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estudleon wrote:
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I've just discovered a problem with early version of Helios-44-3 MC. If you try to screw the lens in M42 adapter, the focusing ring will touch the adapter and it won't be possible to screw in the lens completely.
I compared it to my 44-3 (1993):
red = surface, which should touch the M42 adapter
yellow = focusing ring
blue and green = different thickness of the focusing rings
As you can see, the older version has the register surface located deeper than the flange of focusing ring. It isn't a problem on Zenit cameras, but M42 adaptors and some M42 cameras don't handle it well... |
Yes.
I have the old one. What can I do to use it in M42 cam, the focus ring touch the cam body and not move?
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no-X wrote:
It works for me on Zenit, but not on Praktica. I didn't try take the lens to parts and assemble it in a different way, but dismounting the focusing ring and reducing its height on a turning-lathe should be the easiest way how to "fix" it...
Or 1mm pad, if you don't mind lack of infinity focus...
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estudleon wrote:
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Or 1mm pad, if you don't mind lack of infinity focus... |
Hi No-X.
Thanks, that is what I did.
I thought that was a lens defect. I called the seller and told him  . 
Rino.
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Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
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Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
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no-X wrote:
Is your lens also from 1986?
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estudleon wrote:
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| Is your lens also from 1986? |
Yes. N° 8617507
I found that the 44-2 continued to 1993, both (44-2 and 44-3) were contemporaries. One single coated and other MC at the same time?
I don't understand well the logic of the production. And you?
Rino
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Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
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Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
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no-X wrote:
Just like Asahi had Super Takumars and S-M-C Takumars, MMZ had H-44-2 and H-44-3... 44-3 had better coating and higher resolution. It was possibly more expensive (price was 40 R.)
Btw. you have 44-2 from 1993? Do you have a picture of it?
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WolverineX wrote:
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Some time ago, I posted a list 50mm Helios lenses. Here is my actual version (intent on M42):
[list][*]Helios 44 (35/14 or 36/17), M39, 8 or 13 blades, pre-set- KMZ
- silver (similar to Biotar)
- zebra (e.g. 1970)
- black(?)
- MMZ
- silver - similar to Biotar (e.g. 1960)
- zebra
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question: is this version only m39 mount or also m42? because with photosniper i got also Helios lens that i believe is Helios 44
(little disclaimer: i'm talking off the top of my head, i'm at work at the moment so i can't check if my statement is correct)
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no-X wrote:
Which version? The M39 silver with 13 blades?
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WolverineX wrote:
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| Which version? The M39 silver with 13 blades? |
version marked Helios 44 without any additional letters or numbers
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no-X wrote:
Yes, it's possible. I think another member mentioned existence of M42 Helios-44 a few weeks ago. I believe they kept H-44 name for some time, after they switched to M42, but it created quite a mess on market (if you bought H-44, you could get M39 lens or M42 lens...), so they renamed the M42 version to H-44-2.
Could you take a few pictures of your lens, please?
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WolverineX wrote:
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| Could you take a few pictures of your lens, please? |
i will, when i get home from work
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Pancolart wrote:
If anyone is interested i would sell my collection of at least 10 Helios samples. One of them featured on the previous page. |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
I'm looking at getting an early 44 with 13 aperture blades. How is it possible to tell which version of the 44-1 without seeing the blades (as in pics on efray)? Are they always silver?
Thanks
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no-X wrote:
I think silver lenses have 13 blades and black/zebra 8 blades... but I can't garrant it
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Thanks - I'll watch for and alu finish lens and risk it (if the price is right).
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Mal1905 wrote:
The silver M42 Helios-44 I have only has 8 blades.
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no-X wrote:
Is it KMZ or MMZ made?
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martinsmith99 wrote:
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| The silver M42 Helios-44 I have only has 8 blades. |
GAH! 
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