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Rob Leslie
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What conversion did you have to the ‘Sony F828?’
The F828 has ‘’Night shot’ but I think for true IR it does need more, I know some have tried shooting IR with it with mixed results. I think night shot brings in both infrared and normal light and the shots usually result in soft images which your example does seem to show.
I know a few people who have tried the Sony ‘Night shot’ mode but they have not been happy with the results.
I have seen (Prints) excellent digital fake IR shots done from the RAW file and several conversions blended with layer masks. These have equalled or bettered many of the true BW IR film shots I have seen.
I think in many cases it all depends on the result you want.
An excellent digital RAW IR fake will not be what true IR would have recorded, but it may be what the photographer prefers?
As you have written some parts of the image may not reflect IR as expected, this can be little or no trouble if doing a fake conversion.
I must admit to not being really into true IR shots although I have done experiments with it and seen many fellow photo club members’ examples. I do tend to treat the ‘Digital effect as something to use for the odd image it may suit.
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lulalake
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Rob Leslie wrote: | What conversion did you have to the ‘Sony F828?’
The F828 has ‘’Night shot’ but I think for true IR it does need more, I know some have tried shooting IR with it with mixed results. I think night shot brings in both infrared and normal light and the shots usually result in soft images which your example does seem to show.
I know a few people who have tried the Sony ‘Night shot’ mode but they have not been happy with the results. |
Hi Rob,
There are a number of issues with an unconverted F828 in nightshot mode, 1/30th sec exposure max and no aperture control. This isn’t all that bad but an R72 filter and an ND filter are required for daylight shots. These restrictions do limit the shooting possibilities but great shots can be had even under those restrictions.
I had Maxmax convert mine to a clear glass replacement for the hot mirror which gives full camera control. Since the F828 has a live view you can see the picture preview on the screen or in the viewer, especially when using opaque filters.
| Quote: | I have seen (Prints) excellent digital fake IR shots done from the RAW file and several conversions blended with layer masks. These have equalled or bettered many of the true BW IR film shots I have seen.
I think in many cases it all depends on the result you want.
An excellent digital RAW IR fake will not be what true IR would have recorded, but it may be what the photographer prefers? |
Sure. One can make a beautiful “IR like” prints that perhaps looks like old HIE or EIR. This however shows the persons Photoshop skills, which are nothing to sneeze at. (I’m always trying to expand my PS skills)
| Quote: | | As you have written some parts of the image may not reflect IR as expected, this can be little or no trouble if doing a fake conversion. |
I respectfully disagree for several reasons. One is that it takes a good knowledge of what IR does or doesn’t do to make a believable IR fake, (and why go through all that trouble and hours of PS to fake an IR shot when all you have to do is take a true IR shot anyway?)
Second is that IR is progressing at such a fast pace that what can be done at present can make it somewhat difficult to identify something as an IR shot or not. IR shots can now be razor sharp and multi-mega colored unlike the IR shots of the past.
| Quote: | | I must admit to not being really into true IR shots although I have done experiments with it and seen many fellow photo club members’ examples. I do tend to treat the ‘Digital effect as something to use for the odd image it may suit. |
LOL! I too must admit that take a somewhat perverse pleasure in taking IR shots and processing them to the point that folks don’t immediatly recognize them as IR shots he he he.
Here are a couple:
USA Memorial day last year
Carnival girl last year.
Freida Payne, Jazz singer and manager.
Cheers
Jules
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Rob Leslie
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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Wow. I do like those images and I believe we are sort of looking at things in a similar way from different points of view?
As I always like to say - The end result is the only thing that matters.
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lulalake
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 12:10 am Post subject: |
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| Rob Leslie wrote: | Wow. I do like those images and I believe we are sort of looking at things in a similar way from different points of view?
As I always like to say - The end result is the only thing that matters. |
Rob,
Thanks much and I think you're spot on about the way we see things! 
Jules
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