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alaios
Joined: 24 Jan 2014 Posts: 724
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 12:56 am Post subject: Color and fast iso |
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alaios wrote:
Hi all,
I am a zoom lover user a I like to shoot at daylight at whatever conditions. One problem I typically have is that I leave in Germany and weather is pretty cloudy.
Cloudy weather and slow zoom lens (faster aperture is 3.8 but I love to shoot after 5.6) and shaky hands make the use of hhigh iso needed.
Regarding color films I had good results when I was using superia 400 but rated between 200-320 iso )normal development though)
Unfortunately, though such speed is not enough for the way I shoot.
I am looking for an iso 800 film that I can rate something like iso 500-640 and develop as iso 800 that would give sexy results.
What would you have in mind that can help me?
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15685
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 1:44 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Stick to Superia 400 and work out some other way of getting the results you want, such as a prime lens or a zoom with IS or even a tripod.
This was with Superia 400 on a very dark day, Minolta 2.8/28, I think at f5.6:
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alaios
Joined: 24 Jan 2014 Posts: 724
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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alaios wrote:
Hi,
very cool shots by the way.. and I still do think I need a higher iso if you know any good film roll.
The fastest shutter speed I have is 3.8 and I love fasts shutter speeds
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philslizzy
Joined: 07 Aug 2012 Posts: 4747 Location: Cheshire, England
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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philslizzy wrote:
alaios wrote: |
Hi,
very cool shots by the way.. and I still do think I need a higher iso if you know any good film roll.
The fastest shutter speed I have is 3.8 and I love fasts shutter speeds
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please explain shutter speed of 3.8 _________________ Hero in the 'messin-with-cameras-for-the-hell-of-it department'. Official. |
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Excalibur
Joined: 19 Jul 2009 Posts: 5019 Location: UK
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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Excalibur wrote:
Some people use Superia 400 and rate it at 800 ISO and use the film's latitude, anyway tests have shown you'll still get a reasonable picture 3 stops over and 3 stops under the suggested ISO on the box. I've used Konica 3200 ISO and Fuji 1600 and 800 with good results...the Konica film is history and am not sure whether you can buy 1600 now but you can still get Fuji 800 though but it's expensive. _________________ Canon A1, AV1, T70 & T90, EOS 300 and EOS300v, Chinon CE and CP-7M. Contax 139, Fuji STX-2, Konica Autoreflex TC, FS-1, FT-1, Minolta X-700, X-300, XD-11, SRT101b, Nikon EM, FM, F4, F90X, Olympus OM2, Pentax S3, Spotmatic, Pentax ME super, Praktica TL 5B, & BC1, , Ricoh KR10super, Yashica T5D, Bronica Etrs, Mamiya RB67 pro AND drum roll:- a Sony Nex 3
.........past gear Tele Rolleiflex and Rollei SL66.
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alaios
Joined: 24 Jan 2014 Posts: 724
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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alaios wrote:
I can see Superia 800 being sold for 6 euros the package.. not that expensive. Have you tried to shoot at 640 iso or around?
I also did not get what you mean using superia 400 and rate it as 800. Do they then process it normally? I do not develop color film my self and thus I need to give it at laboratory to go normal processing. What I have heard is that this film can be shot at 320 iso or so and processed normally
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15685
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I have shot Superia 800, and funnily enough it was a vintage car show in bad light.
Results were good, but not as good as the Superia 400 examples above. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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Excalibur
Joined: 19 Jul 2009 Posts: 5019 Location: UK
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 7:45 am Post subject: |
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Excalibur wrote:
alaios wrote: |
I can see Superia 800 being sold for 6 euros the package.. not that expensive. Have you tried to shoot at 640 iso or around?
I also did not get what you mean using superia 400 and rate it as 800. Do they then process it normally? I do not develop color film my self and thus I need to give it at laboratory to go normal processing. What I have heard is that this film can be shot at 320 iso or so and processed normally
Regards
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Well I'm a mainly bright\sunny weather shooter and try to combine exercise on a push bike with photography, but in dim conditions would just use a lens that is at least f2.8 (even a 50mm f1.4 lens can be useful times) or use flash indoors.
In the Uk, certain places sell Asta Vista 400 (Superia 400) for £1 so why buy expensive 800 ISO.... setting the ISO to 800 (for 400 ISO film) on the camera ain't going to make much difference even dev at a supermarket, as long as the exposure of your subject wasn't so far off it was border line even if the camera was set at 400 ISO. _________________ Canon A1, AV1, T70 & T90, EOS 300 and EOS300v, Chinon CE and CP-7M. Contax 139, Fuji STX-2, Konica Autoreflex TC, FS-1, FT-1, Minolta X-700, X-300, XD-11, SRT101b, Nikon EM, FM, F4, F90X, Olympus OM2, Pentax S3, Spotmatic, Pentax ME super, Praktica TL 5B, & BC1, , Ricoh KR10super, Yashica T5D, Bronica Etrs, Mamiya RB67 pro AND drum roll:- a Sony Nex 3
.........past gear Tele Rolleiflex and Rollei SL66.
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philslizzy
Joined: 07 Aug 2012 Posts: 4747 Location: Cheshire, England
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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philslizzy wrote:
Excalibur has a point. A stop and a half under exposed with 400 not going to make too much difference. (i.e 1000 ISO) _________________ Hero in the 'messin-with-cameras-for-the-hell-of-it department'. Official. |
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alaios
Joined: 24 Jan 2014 Posts: 724
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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alaios wrote:
"The fastest shutter speed I have is 3.8 and I love fasts shutter speeds "
well I drunk too much yesterday. I meant aperture which means that with 3.8 aperture shutter speed goes easily to 1/30 that I can poorly hand hole |
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alaios
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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alaios wrote:
"The fastest shutter speed I have is 3.8 and I love fasts shutter speeds "
well I drunk too much yesterday. I meant aperture which means that with 3.8 aperture shutter speed goes easily to 1/30 that I can poorly hand hole |
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philslizzy
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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philslizzy wrote:
poorly hand hole.... _________________ Hero in the 'messin-with-cameras-for-the-hell-of-it department'. Official. |
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alaios
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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alaios wrote:
so indeed sure
but on the other side should I stop shooting because I have shaky hands (bit of tremor btw)?
High iso can be my salvation... or spend few thousands for a veryy fast zoom lens... or something faster than my 3.8
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Excalibur
Joined: 19 Jul 2009 Posts: 5019 Location: UK
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 6:08 am Post subject: |
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Excalibur wrote:
alaios wrote: |
so indeed sure
but on the other side should I stop shooting because I have shaky hands (bit of tremor btw)?
High iso can be my salvation... or spend few thousands for a veryy fast zoom lens... or something faster than my 3.8
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Well you have to make a choice:- just use the zoom in bright conditions and a fixed lens when the light is not so good, plenty of cheap tele photo fixed lenses, and remember as the magnification of the lens goes down camera shake is less of a problem e.g. at 1/30 sec there is less camera shake problem with a 28mm lens compared to a 200mm lens. The other choice is B/W film, some guys use it at 3200 ISO and do their own dev to compensate...or finally buy an expensive digital camera that can give very good colour shots at high ISO. _________________ Canon A1, AV1, T70 & T90, EOS 300 and EOS300v, Chinon CE and CP-7M. Contax 139, Fuji STX-2, Konica Autoreflex TC, FS-1, FT-1, Minolta X-700, X-300, XD-11, SRT101b, Nikon EM, FM, F4, F90X, Olympus OM2, Pentax S3, Spotmatic, Pentax ME super, Praktica TL 5B, & BC1, , Ricoh KR10super, Yashica T5D, Bronica Etrs, Mamiya RB67 pro AND drum roll:- a Sony Nex 3
.........past gear Tele Rolleiflex and Rollei SL66.
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alaios
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 10:36 am Post subject: |
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alaios wrote:
digital is no choice. high iso films is better |
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philslizzy
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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philslizzy wrote:
Sorry I didnt know you have tremors. I have shaky hands but I've never heard it called 'poorly hand hole'. _________________ Hero in the 'messin-with-cameras-for-the-hell-of-it department'. Official. |
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Excalibur
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 7:03 am Post subject: |
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Excalibur wrote:
alaios wrote: |
digital is no choice. high iso films is better |
As I'm only a film shooter it's a bit depressing at times, but the film companies have stopped R&D on very high ISO films many years ago...if they had spent the money we could be enjoying 64.000 ISO films now with the grain of a 400 ISO film (maybe no grain at all). _________________ Canon A1, AV1, T70 & T90, EOS 300 and EOS300v, Chinon CE and CP-7M. Contax 139, Fuji STX-2, Konica Autoreflex TC, FS-1, FT-1, Minolta X-700, X-300, XD-11, SRT101b, Nikon EM, FM, F4, F90X, Olympus OM2, Pentax S3, Spotmatic, Pentax ME super, Praktica TL 5B, & BC1, , Ricoh KR10super, Yashica T5D, Bronica Etrs, Mamiya RB67 pro AND drum roll:- a Sony Nex 3
.........past gear Tele Rolleiflex and Rollei SL66.
Many lenses from good to excellent. |
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alaios
Joined: 24 Jan 2014 Posts: 724
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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alaios wrote:
For the black and white films I guess one coudl choise is to use delta 3200 as is a native 1000 iso film
for the color I would be happy with any iso 800 film that I can shoot as 640 or so. |
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duckrider
Joined: 11 Dec 2013 Posts: 437 Location: Germany
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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duckrider wrote:
Tripod or beanbag are the solutions to be reminded! _________________ T*homas
(from the origin land of Zeiss, an obligation )
Zeiss ZF 3.5/18, 2.8/25, 2.0/35, 2/50macro, 1.4/50, 1.4/85, 2/100macro
Nikon Df, F2AS, F2A, F3/T, FM
ALPA 11Si, Angulon 2,8/35 ; Xenar 1,9/50 ; Tele-Tessar 4/200
Leica R3 SAFARI Safari Lenses 2.8/28 ; 2/50 ; 4/180
Rolleiflex SL 350 , Zeiss 2,8/16 ; 4/18 ; 2,8/25 ; 2,8/35 ; 1,4/35 ; 1,8/50 ; 2,8/85 ; 1,4/85 ; 4/135 ; 4/200
Leica M9-P, Leica M4-2, Tri-Elmar "Wate", Distagon 2,8/21, Biogon 2,8/28, Biogon 2/35, Planar 2/50, Tessar 4/85, M-Elmar 50mm, Summicron 90
Sony alpha 7r & adapters for all lenses above |
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duckrider
Joined: 11 Dec 2013 Posts: 437 Location: Germany
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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duckrider wrote:
Tripod or beanbag are the solutions to be reminded! _________________ T*homas
(from the origin land of Zeiss, an obligation )
Zeiss ZF 3.5/18, 2.8/25, 2.0/35, 2/50macro, 1.4/50, 1.4/85, 2/100macro
Nikon Df, F2AS, F2A, F3/T, FM
ALPA 11Si, Angulon 2,8/35 ; Xenar 1,9/50 ; Tele-Tessar 4/200
Leica R3 SAFARI Safari Lenses 2.8/28 ; 2/50 ; 4/180
Rolleiflex SL 350 , Zeiss 2,8/16 ; 4/18 ; 2,8/25 ; 2,8/35 ; 1,4/35 ; 1,8/50 ; 2,8/85 ; 1,4/85 ; 4/135 ; 4/200
Leica M9-P, Leica M4-2, Tri-Elmar "Wate", Distagon 2,8/21, Biogon 2,8/28, Biogon 2/35, Planar 2/50, Tessar 4/85, M-Elmar 50mm, Summicron 90
Sony alpha 7r & adapters for all lenses above |
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duckrider
Joined: 11 Dec 2013 Posts: 437 Location: Germany
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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duckrider wrote:
Tripod or beanbag are the solutions to be reminded! _________________ T*homas
(from the origin land of Zeiss, an obligation )
Zeiss ZF 3.5/18, 2.8/25, 2.0/35, 2/50macro, 1.4/50, 1.4/85, 2/100macro
Nikon Df, F2AS, F2A, F3/T, FM
ALPA 11Si, Angulon 2,8/35 ; Xenar 1,9/50 ; Tele-Tessar 4/200
Leica R3 SAFARI Safari Lenses 2.8/28 ; 2/50 ; 4/180
Rolleiflex SL 350 , Zeiss 2,8/16 ; 4/18 ; 2,8/25 ; 2,8/35 ; 1,4/35 ; 1,8/50 ; 2,8/85 ; 1,4/85 ; 4/135 ; 4/200
Leica M9-P, Leica M4-2, Tri-Elmar "Wate", Distagon 2,8/21, Biogon 2,8/28, Biogon 2/35, Planar 2/50, Tessar 4/85, M-Elmar 50mm, Summicron 90
Sony alpha 7r & adapters for all lenses above |
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 3:33 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
alaios wrote: |
digital is no choice. high iso films is better |
Recent digital cameras can give clean results at 3200, 6400, so definitely better than film.
Add to that very effective anti-shake systems that can give 2-3 stops improvement... _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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alaios
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 11:13 am Post subject: |
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alaios wrote:
Hi Thomas,
where do you live in Germany and what is your official web site?
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