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Orio
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:57 pm Post subject: Carl Zeiss Jena Tessar 1:3,5f=5cm T....Little gem from 1952 |
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Orio wrote:
I got it this morning, it should be the "father" of the Industar pancake:
Old lenses are beautiful!
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bob955i
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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bob955i wrote:
I got one of these old Tessars too from Bill - it's now mounted on an Exakta Varex VX.
Count the aperture blades - there's a lot.... |
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Orio
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Orio wrote:
This lens alone inspires me to take photographs. I can't wait to have it here.
Like beautiful women can inspire great poetry, beautiful lenses can inspire (hopefully) great photographs
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trypode8
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 4:53 pm Post subject: Oh congrat |
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trypode8 wrote:
Nice one !
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Orio
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
I'm polygamous (with lenses!)
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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montecarlo wrote:
...And I thought that the Industar 50 was an original (I knew it has a Tessar formula but I thought that the small, pancake construction is original) russian lens.
I wonder which lens copied the russians when they made the Tair 11A. Could be original ? _________________ Canonet QL17 III
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Orio
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
montecarlo wrote: |
...And I thought that the Industar 50 was an original (I knew it has a Tessar formula but I thought that the small, pancake construction is original) russian lens.
I wonder which lens copied the russians when they made the Tair 11A. Could be original ? |
I always knew that the Industar was a copy of a pre-war Zeiss Tessar.
My Tessar copy is of 1952 but the design is most probably pre-war. Zeiss Jena started very early the production of Tessar 2.8/50 in the various formats, so I guess my lens is one of the last 3.5/50 Tessars produced.
About the Tair-11A, I remember I read also something about it, but I can't remember precisely now, I think however the lens should be triplet-related (either a Cooke scheme or a 4-elements Tessar scheme).
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Richard_D
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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Richard_D wrote:
Very pretty lens! |
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Orio
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
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Very pretty lens! |
Yes! And I haven't seen many of these around, most of what you can find of old Tessars is aluminium version of 2.8/50 which is a later design.
I really didn't NEED this lens, I bought it because beautiful and relatively rare and because I thought it will be nice for my site and especially for Attila's site, to have references form this historically important lens.
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
WOW! How delicious. Certainly it did find a good home, look forward to some photos. After looking recently at the Contax tessar photos. It will be interesting to see what this ancestor does. |
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Orio
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
F16SUNSHINE wrote: |
WOW! How delicious. Certainly it did find a good home, look forward to some photos. After looking recently at the Contax tessar photos. It will be interesting to see what this ancestor does. |
Yes, I am interested too! I recently bought the Contax Tessar pancake for a good price, and the Tele-Tessar 200 for a VERY good price, and I have had serviced my father's Super Ikonta which sports a 2.8/80 Tessar, so apparently I am definitely "in the key of Tessar" lately!
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patrickh
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Aren't those old pieces of camera equipment (lenses, bodies, even meters) wonderful examples of the micro-engineering craft that has largely been replaced with "same old" technology driven mass production? It's great that the right hands can recycle them to some of the previous greatness.
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bob955i
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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bob955i wrote:
Orio wrote: |
My Tessar copy is of 1952 but the design is most probably pre-war. Zeiss Jena started very early the production of Tessar 2.8/50 in the various formats, so I guess my lens is one of the last 3.5/50 Tessars produced. |
There was another possibly later non-pancake alu Tessar 3.5/50 broadly similar in appearance to the Trioplan 2.9/50 and the alu Tessar 2.8/50 - I have one on an Exakta VX. |
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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Old lenses are beautiful! Very Happy |
Aren't they just! Belonging to a different generation, when longevity was taken for granted and they weren't designed to fall apart within a few years.
That really reminds me of my Color-Skopar ; I wonder what its optical lineage is. _________________ Dave - Moderator
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LucisPictor
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
montecarlo wrote: |
I wonder which lens copied the russians when they made the Tair 11A. Could be original ? |
OT: The Tair-11A is a 5 element lens, but I don't know how many groups.
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Orio
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
patrickh wrote: |
Aren't those old pieces of camera equipment (lenses, bodies, even meters) wonderful examples of the micro-engineering craft that has largely been replaced with "same old" technology driven mass production?
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Absolutely, yes. These lens objects still talk to me of man. Of handwork, efforts. Of poetry, if you like. Contemporary lenses, what do they talk me about? Computerized assembly lines. Each copy looking absolutely identical to the one before on the ribbon.
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Orio
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Farside wrote: |
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Old lenses are beautiful! Very Happy |
Aren't they just! Belonging to a different generation, when longevity was taken for granted and they weren't designed to fall apart within a few years.
That really reminds me of my Color-Skopar ; |
Yes, this is part of a global ongoing process that sees every component of everyday life looking uglier than before.
- cars of today look uglier than cars of the past
- same goes for bycicles
- same goes for watches
- even kitchen stoves and heathers look uglier.
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I wonder what its optical lineage is. |
Of Tessar? Some say it derives from the Cooke Triplet, others say it does not. In any case, it was designed in 1902 by Zeiss engineer Paul Rudolph.
So it is 105 years old (my copy of the lens is 55 years old).
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Attila
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
I respect more a people if save this kind of old lenses even if they are not good performer than somebody who is hunting done just best performers. Well done Orio! Let we see how this little one performer. _________________ -------------------------------
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Orio
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
You think that the Tair-11A can be a copy of the Meyer Goerlitz 135?
It's possible, chronologically. But no later than a couple of days ago, I was able to tell one from the other (and from two other lenses as well) in a blind test. So perhaps it wasn't a strict copy, maybe more like "inspired by". _________________ Orio, Administrator
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LucisPictor
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
Well, this design was later also used in the Pentacon 2.8/135.
Of course, "inspired by" might be right. _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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Laurence wrote:
A wonderful find! Beautiful patina, beautiful inscribed lettering and numbering. The box is a fantastic bonus; I assume it is an original box?
The REALLY nice thing here is that you only need to LOOK at the metalwork, and see that it shows the "hand of man". Robust, non-clinical, and though a small piece of equipment, almost a jewel-like persona.
Nice catch, indeed. |
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Orio
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Laurence wrote: |
A wonderful find! Beautiful patina, beautiful inscribed lettering and numbering. The box is a fantastic bonus; I assume it is an original box? |
Well, that's what I assume, but I will see when it's in my hands.
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The REALLY nice thing here is that you only need to LOOK at the metalwork, and see that it shows the "hand of man". Robust, non-clinical, and though a small piece of equipment, almost a jewel-like persona.
Nice catch, indeed. |
Yes
And for 39 Euros, it wasn't that painful financially, either. Acceptable price to save an old lens.
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Orio
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Attila wrote: |
Well done Orio! Let we see how this little one performer. |
I expect it to be better than the 2.8/50 Tessar, which (at least in the zebra and black barrel version, probably not in the alu version), was a mass-marketed standard lens.
The Tessar 3.5 was, also, but in a time and age when photography wasn't still a mass market phenomenon, and anyway really affordable to few people. In the 60s and 70s, instead, photography was mass market, and so Tessars of that time were certainly not produced with strict quality control.
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
I have 10 yrs older Tessar small Tessar lens.
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