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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 5:31 pm    Post subject: Carl Zeiss Ikon - Lloyd Reply with quote

I have a camera that does not exist it seem.

Camera is a Carl Zeiss Ikon Lloyd. According to www.oldtimercameras.com there is a leaflet with a Carl Zeiss Ikon Lloyd dated 1927.

The shutter is a Compur. Serial 258646 D.R.P. According to motamedi.info compur shutters with serials 250.000 was produced from 1914. However. The D.R.P as far as I know, puts it between 1933 and 1950 (R standing for Reich)

Lens is a Carl Zeiss Jena Tessar f=13,5cm 1:4.5 serial 825296. According to every serial list I have seen so far, there is no serials 8xxxxx for Carl Zeiss Jena lenses.

Now I have seen that 1940 of the Jena lenses are marked "Unknown" and I have also noticed that 1927 is the closest match to my lens. This might make me want to put the camera manufacture date at 1927.

Further I have noticed that ICA had the Lloyd camera in their line up. And since they joined forces with Zeiss 1926, the year 1927 is still possible. However. My camera is branded "Carl Zeiss Ikon" not ICA as the ones I have seen images of. I have yet to see an image of a Zeiss Ikon Lloyd.

Anyone got a Carl Zeiss Ikon Lloyd? Surprised

oh and here is a picture I took today with it.


PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Intriguing. I'll look up what the D. Tubbs Zeiss Ikon Cameras 1926-39 has in it when I'm home. The book at least mentions every damn model made including the corporate roots.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Catalog number should be 510/1

However, this is all that I find about Zeiss 510 : "The Zeiss Ikon Bob (model number 510) is the first camera to carry the Nettar name - it was introduced about 1934 and here in Britain it was marketed as a Nettar. Two versions were made, one for 16 on 120 (510) and one for 8 on 120 (510/2). Prices varied depending on the specification of the camera. The 510/2 with f/7.7 lens in Automat shutter was just over 2 12s while the 510 with f/6.3 lens in Telma shutter was 4 (both prices are taken from a 1937 catalogue)." from Mariottworld.

Which is just wrong. My camera use is 8.9cmx12.7cm film size. The roll is huge and it can use glassplates aswell. ;D Ive been shooting on some old 3'1/2x5' paper.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a bit more in the correct direction:
The Lloyd is a large folding camera that could be used to make images 8 x 10.5cm on rollfilm, 9 x 12cm on plates or cut film. It is very similar to the Zeiss Halloh, but was finished in fancier leather, and had shift, plus rise and fall front movements. It's history goes back to Huttig and 1905. Some had both a focal plane shutter as well as a between the lens leaf shutter, and was available in a couple of large sizes. It was continued after Huttig merged with Wunsche, Krugener and Carl Zeiss Palmos to form Ica, and was offered only in the one size. It was listed from 1926, when Ica merged with Contessa-Netter, Ernemann and Goerz to form Zeiss Ikon, as a carry over from the Ica line until 1929. The Zeiss number is 510/17.

A stereo version of the camera was also marketed by Huttig, and it shared a similar histoy. It is a drop bed folding camera, and could be had with Doppel Anastigmat Hekla, 135/6.8 Litonar or 135/6.8 Tessar lenses in Automat or Compur shutters. It made stereo images 8 x 14cm on rollfilm and 9 x 14cm on cut film or plates. The Stereo Lloyd was dropped from the Zeiss catalog in 1927.

Other hits for 510/17:

PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh yes. I saw that page when I first got the camera. But i forgot it because of the catalog number being 510/17 and not 1. Good googling Wink

But that should basically put it inbetween 1926 and 1929 then. So I am back to dating it 1927. Wink

And yes. http://photocollector.narod.ru/001_3.2.jpg that looks like mine. But mine still say 510/1 on the leather. I guess I have to acctually use my digital camera and take some shots of it. phew.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing Maybe the guy in charge of embossing 7's was out that day

PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nesster wrote:
Laughing Maybe the guy in charge of embossing 7's was out that day

Thought crossed my mind. Or atleast that it had weared of, but there is no room on the leather for the more numbers. Wink

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lloyd (ica) 1927-29
Quarter plate folding pocket for roll films, film pack or plates. As HALLOH but better leather, rising front and cross front. Lenses: Dominar f/4.5, Zeiss Tessar f/6.3 or f/4.5 in Compur shutter. Wt. 36oz. Prices 12.0.0, 13.0.0, 13.10.0 (old GBP). Listed 1927 only in Germany where sizes were 8x10.5 film/8x14 plates; 8x14 film/ 9x14 plates. Model 510 prices (nostar f/6.8/135) RM102 to Zeiss Tessar f/4.4/135 RM186. Model 575 prices (Aplanat f/8/120) RM126 to RM185 for Zeiss Tessar 6.3/150.

Zeiss Ikon Cameras 1926-39 by D.B.Tubbs

PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sweet. Ill just say its 83 years old then. Thanks for the scan. Smile