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maddog10



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 1:59 am    Post subject: Canon Question Reply with quote

I am considering buying a Canon digital camera, solely to use manual focus lenses. I am always going to be a Nikon guy first, but want a digital option to use the other manufactures/mount lenses I have acquired. I want to be able to focus to infinity with as many as possible. I have an opportunity to get a 40D or a 5D.

In your opinion is it worth the extra money to get the 5D or would I be happy enough with the 40D. I know very little about the Canon cameras, so I value any advice you can provide. Thanks!
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

go with the 40. Having both I can say the 40 is cleaner than the 5 in more than 1 way. The 5 has much more noise ( but still very good) during long exposures. Also the sensor cleaning with the 40 is very effective. I have had 0 dust in images. My 5 on the other hand is a dust magnet. Crying or Very sad . You have the D3 for ff so should not miss that capability. Cool
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

one more thing. The LCD preview screen is esoteric on the 5 compared to the 40 and no live view for macro Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I concur with the above advantages of the newer technology of the 40D but let's not forget that 5D is a full frame camera. For me, it makes all the difference. Being able to use my wide angle lenses as they were intended, is something that no newer technology or live view or whatever will be able to compensate with an APS-C sensor camera.

So my vote is for the 5D, definitely.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the question of 5D vs 40D depend of your kind of photography
If you need wide go for a 5D
but if I had a D3, I would not look anywhere
what are the lens you miss ? your list look already filled
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

poilu wrote:

but if I had a D3, I would not look anywhere


Agreed if one is content to use Nikon lenses. But Michael says he wants a camera to use all the manual focus lenses.
So if one wants to use M42 wide angles, Contax wide angles, Olympus wide angles,(and with Contax and Olympus we are speaking of world's top wide angle lenses) there is only one full frame digital camera today that allows that and it's the 5D.
(of course until the 5D MkII is released)
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the replies!

Andy,
I want to be able to focus at infinity without using the corrected adapters I have to use on the Nikon bodies, they hurt the image quality too much. Most everyone seems to have good luck achieving this on the Canon bodies and there is a butt load of adapters available.

Orio,
That is good advice about the wide lenses. I have been thinking back to what lenses I shoot with the most, and I seem to spend a lot of time in the 20mm to 85mm range. I know you shaved the mirror on your 5D, what lens required you to do this? Was this an easy procedure that you did yourself? I am worried about modifying the body.

Anyone else have any experience with these cameras?
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Nikon Mount Lens: Nikkor - 2.8/20 2.8/24 2/28 2.8/28 3.5/28 2/35 2.8/35 1.4/50 1.8/50 2/50 1.8/85 2/85 2.5/105 2.8/135 3.5/135 2.8/180 4/200 4.5/300 Micro 2.8/55 Micro 4/200 Zoom 3.5/36-72 3.5/43-86 4/70-210 Sigma - Zoom 2.8-4/35-70 Soligor - 3.5-4.5/28-80 4.5/80-200 5.6/95-310 Tamron - SP 2.8-3.8/35-80 SP 3.5/70-210 3.8-4/80-210 Vivitar - 3.8/19 2.8/28 (Series 1) 3.5-4.5/19-35 (Kiron) 3.5/70-210 Zenitar - 2.8/16
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

maddog10 wrote:

Orio,
That is good advice about the wide lenses. I have been thinking back to what lenses I shoot with the most, and I seem to spend a lot of time in the 20mm to 85mm range. I know you shaved the mirror on your 5D, what lens required you to do this? Was this an easy procedure that you did yourself? I am worried about modifying the body.


I decided to shave the mirror because of the Contax lenses. Some of them require that to be done in order to be useable on the 5D: the Distagon 4/18, Distagon 2/28, Tessar 2.8/45. I read that other 5D owners also have problems with other lenses such as Distagon 2.8/25, Distagon 2.8/28, Planar 1.7/50. I never had problems with those lenses but it's known that there are at least two slightly different builds of EOS 5D and one of them has a slightly shorter mirror (probably the one I have).
There are also other lenses I have that could not be mounted on the 5D before shaving, and these include: Helios-44, SMC Takumar 1.4/50, MIR-1 and MIR-1V, and probably others I don't recall now.
Also there are the Leica R wide angles larger than 28mm that require mirror shaving, but I don't have any of them.

Shaving the mirror is the easiest thing to do and after you have done it, you will tell to yourself "why I have waited so much to do it"?
I understand the fear of such operation, but it's much worse to leave the mirror as it is and not be able to use the best wideangles in the world, or even worse, to mount them and damage them.
Consider that replacing a mirror would cost you at most around 300 Euros, while if you go for the best wideangles of Olympus, Contax, Leica you are likely to spend more than that.
So better to shave the mirror and use the lenses in all safety.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have a link or post that explains shaving the mirror, I would like to read up on it.
Thanks again for the information.
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Nikon Mount Lens: Nikkor - 2.8/20 2.8/24 2/28 2.8/28 3.5/28 2/35 2.8/35 1.4/50 1.8/50 2/50 1.8/85 2/85 2.5/105 2.8/135 3.5/135 2.8/180 4/200 4.5/300 Micro 2.8/55 Micro 4/200 Zoom 3.5/36-72 3.5/43-86 4/70-210 Sigma - Zoom 2.8-4/35-70 Soligor - 3.5-4.5/28-80 4.5/80-200 5.6/95-310 Tamron - SP 2.8-3.8/35-80 SP 3.5/70-210 3.8-4/80-210 Vivitar - 3.8/19 2.8/28 (Series 1) 3.5-4.5/19-35 (Kiron) 3.5/70-210 Zenitar - 2.8/16
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

maddog10 wrote:
Have a link or post that explains shaving the mirror, I would like to read up on it.
Thanks again for the information.


Ye sI did in fact write how I did it, some months ago... but search on the forum is difficult for me (I never get what I search for)

In any case it's very easy. You need a sand paper of the finest kind. Don'ìt believe what you read on the internet about rotary drills or metal tools and stuff like that. That is HUGE overkill.

Your main caution in the operation is to ensure that no dust falls on the sensor.

What I did is what surgeons usually do in hospitals: they cover patient with green drape, then make hole in drape where they have to cut.
So I took a piece of transparent plastic, of certain thickness - plastic film for food is too thin - you need something of at least similar thickness as those plastic bags you use to put food into freezer for long period freezing. If thicker, even better.

So cut a square piece of that and make a slit in the middle, same size as the mirror.

Raise the mirror with your finger (again, don't be paranoid about what you read on the internet "you can damage the mirror movement!!" - it's not true, do that with reasonable care and nothing will happen)
so I was saying, raise the mirror, and make it pass through the slit in the centre of your square sheet of plastic.

Pull it down a bit so that part of mirror emerges.

Now take masking tape (the kind used by architects for drawings, they have the less glue), and fix the plastic sheet to the mirror using the masking tape, both sides.

OF course you have to do it deeply, not higher than the middle of mirror, because you need to leave top of mirror free from tape, as you will shave it!

Make sure that there is no hole or room left between the mirror and the plastic sheet.

Do not be afraid to place masking tape on the mirror, it will not ruin it. After the job, you will take one of those humid paper sheets that optical shops sell to clean eyeglasses, and it will clean the mirror perfectly leaving no halo.

OK now you can begin shaving, if you are really paranoid, you can also secure the borders of the plastic sheet to the body of the 5D with some pieces of tape, but it's not really necessary if you are quiet and careful with operation.

Before beginning to shave, have near to you handy, a air pump like Giotto. You will pump dust off the plastic sheet regularly as your work advances.

Shave the mirror slowly, and concentrate the movement in the centre - it's the centre that mostly needs reduction.

Apply little pressure, you don't want to break the mechanism of mirror.
You need some patience, at first it seems it does little, but after a while you will see it actually erodes well.

Have a CD on the player to keep you company.

You need to shave quite a bit of your mirror, at least 1 millimeter, but I did more than that.

When you think you might have done enought, dust off well with the pump, then remove your protection, and try using one of the problematic lenses - better if the most problematic one.

If the test is ok you have shaved enough - if not, you need to setup again the protection (I know, this part sucks), and do more shaving.

When testing, remember to shoot in all positions (landscape oriented, portrait oriented, bent up, bent down); this because the swing of the mirror slightly changes depending on camera angle, and a mirror shaved enough for landscape orientation might not be shaved enough for portrait or bent orientation.

That is all, the whole operation will not require more than half an hour - I did it in about 15 minutes if I remember correctly.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you!
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Orio (you see! it happens sometimes Very Happy ), the 5D is the way to go.
It's on my wish list (as soon the 5D mkII will be released) because when I want to use MF lenses on a cropped sensor I use my unexpensive e410, so it's no sense to buy another APSc camera.
Actually there's no camera with which you can effectively use wide angle MF lenses at a more convenient price that a 5D, there's instead lot of APSc camera that you can use with manual lenses (Pentax, Olympus, Sigma, etc) and some maybe better and cheaper than 40D (Pentax ones for example). It's a no brainer choice.

I'd shiver and sweat while shaving the mirror though.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Alessandro!

I already have a Pentax K10D, so the 5D probably should have been the choice from the beginning.
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Film: Nikon - F5, F2, F, EM, FG, FE, Nikkorex Contax - G2 Mamiya - M645 Olympus - OM1 Praktika - LTL PLC3 Pentax - Spotmatic SP Yashica Electro 35 GSN Zenit - B
Nikon Mount Lens: Nikkor - 2.8/20 2.8/24 2/28 2.8/28 3.5/28 2/35 2.8/35 1.4/50 1.8/50 2/50 1.8/85 2/85 2.5/105 2.8/135 3.5/135 2.8/180 4/200 4.5/300 Micro 2.8/55 Micro 4/200 Zoom 3.5/36-72 3.5/43-86 4/70-210 Sigma - Zoom 2.8-4/35-70 Soligor - 3.5-4.5/28-80 4.5/80-200 5.6/95-310 Tamron - SP 2.8-3.8/35-80 SP 3.5/70-210 3.8-4/80-210 Vivitar - 3.8/19 2.8/28 (Series 1) 3.5-4.5/19-35 (Kiron) 3.5/70-210 Zenitar - 2.8/16
Contax Mount Lens: Carl Zeiss - Biogon 2.8/21 Biogon 2.8/28 Planar 2/45 Sonnar 2.8/90 Yashica - 4.5/70-210
M42 Screw Mount Lens: CZJ - Flek 2.8/20 Flek 2.4/35 Tessar 2.8/50 3.5/135 Focal - 2.8/28 Helios - 44-2 2/58 44M 2/58 44M-4 2/58 40 1.5/85 Industar - 50-2 3.5/50 Jupiter - 37A 3.5/135 Meyer Optik Gorlitz - Domiplan 2.8/50 MIR - 24M 2/35 1B 2.8/37 Pentacon - 2.8/29 1.8/50 2.8/135 Pentax - SMC 3.5/135 SMC 4/200 SMC 5.6/400 Rexatar - 6.3/400 Rokinon - 3.5-4.5/35-135 Sears - 2.8/28 2.8/135 4.5/90-230 Soligor - 2.8/105 3.5-4.5/28-80
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