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alex


Joined: 18 Apr 2009 Posts: 589 Location: UK
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Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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I've now tested a few box cameras, and it's pleasing how consistent each model is, in particular my old Zeiss Tengor, which is rather more sophisticated than the average box camera, having a choice of three apertures (f/11, 16, 22) and three focus zones, 1-2m, 2-8m and 8m-inf. I've also measure a couple of Box Brownies, and found them repeatable, though with a possibly interesting artefact. I did five or six measures on each.
Here's the measured speeds in 1/seconds :-
Zeiss Tengor : 41, 41, 39, 39, 39 (Avg 40)
Kodak Brownie No.2 : 58, 68, 60, 68, 61 (Avg 63)
Kodak Portrait Brownie : 41, 46, 41, 44, 42, 47, 43 (Avg 43)
I've not yet done any statistical tests, but there may be an interesting effect noticed if you look at the results for the first Brownie. The speeds seem to alternate between a slower and a faster, around 60 and 68. If you look at the second Brownie, it seems to show the same property, alternate exposures oscillating between about 42 and 46. The Tengor doesn't show this.
The Brownies however work slightly differently ; in these, you push down on the shutter lever to take one picture, then pull it back up to take the next, whereas on the Tengor you push the shutter lever, the picture is taken, and the lever returns to the start position. Taking the front off each camera, you can see that on the Kodaks, the shutter disk rotates clockwise for one exposure, then anticlockwise for the next, whereas on the Tengor, the shutter disk rotates clockwise, and then a baffle moves in to cover the aperture while the open disk rotates back to its starting position, the baffle stopping light reaching the film during this action. So on the Brownies, this may be reflected in slightly different exposure times, though as can be seen, not enough to have any effect whatsoever on the exposure value to be recorded on the film.
There, I just knew this would be fun. (Do you think I should get out more?) _________________ Alex |
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vfmoto

Joined: 18 May 2010 Posts: 76 Location: Bucharest, Romania
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Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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| alex wrote: |
There, I just knew this would be fun. (Do you think I should get out more?) |
Only if you use the cameras you test.
Interesting results and patterns you have there! From what you say they make sens.
Cheers,
Florin  _________________ Camera shutter testers for speeds up to 1/1000th of a second. $14.99  |
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vfmoto

Joined: 18 May 2010 Posts: 76 Location: Bucharest, Romania
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Attila


Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 52453 Location: Budapest,Hungary
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Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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It is available in my shop from now.
Click here to see on Ebay _________________ Attila - admin --- BUY FRESH FOMAPAN TO HELP KEEP THE FACTORY ALIVE ---
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Items on sale on Ebay
35mm: Konica A4, Konica IIIA, Konica FC-1
MF: Konica Pearl I,II,III 6x4,5 Konica Semi Pearl
Film: Foma,Kodak, Fuji DIY development C41, FOMA LQR
Scan: Epson V500, scanassist (http://www.scanassist.org)
Shutter tester: LCD tester from member vfmoto
Digital: Panasonic G1, Sony Nex-3, Samsung NX100
Lenses: Konica Hexanons,Carl Zeiss,Carl Zeiss Jena,Meyer-Optik,Minolta MD,Yashica ML,Nikon,Olympus OM
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fotofundi
Joined: 01 Sep 2010 Posts: 1
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Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:45 am Post subject: Shutter speed tester |
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Hi
What is the slowest speed it will test accurately? |
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Attila


Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 52453 Location: Budapest,Hungary
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Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:44 am Post subject: Re: Shutter speed tester |
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| fotofundi wrote: | Hi
What is the slowest speed it will test accurately? |
1 sec okay I never measured slower. _________________ Attila - admin --- BUY FRESH FOMAPAN TO HELP KEEP THE FACTORY ALIVE ---
Foma Campaign topic - FOMAPAN on forum - Webshop EU
Items on sale on Ebay
35mm: Konica A4, Konica IIIA, Konica FC-1
MF: Konica Pearl I,II,III 6x4,5 Konica Semi Pearl
Film: Foma,Kodak, Fuji DIY development C41, FOMA LQR
Scan: Epson V500, scanassist (http://www.scanassist.org)
Shutter tester: LCD tester from member vfmoto
Digital: Panasonic G1, Sony Nex-3, Samsung NX100
Lenses: Konica Hexanons,Carl Zeiss,Carl Zeiss Jena,Meyer-Optik,Minolta MD,Yashica ML,Nikon,Olympus OM
DIY E-6,C41 and B&W
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vfmoto

Joined: 18 May 2010 Posts: 76 Location: Bucharest, Romania
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Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:55 am Post subject: Re: Shutter speed tester |
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| fotofundi wrote: | Hi
What is the slowest speed it will test accurately? |
It's VERY accurate at 1 second. I've done tests at 30 seconds. Theoretically you can do tests as long as your have free space on your hard disk.
The thing is that not many shutters are accurate at long exposures. I tested an an electronic shutter and I kept getting readings of 32.5-33 seconds. I thought that there was something wrong with my tester and because the error was so big I decided to measure the time with a stopwatch. I figured that I would be 0.5 second off because of my reaction time to start and stop the stopwatch and I was right. I got readings from 32 to 33.5 by measuring with my hand activated stopwatch.
The stopwatch method is only to roughly verify the tester. You guys should try the stopwatch method for long exposures and you will see that it's off by approximately 10%. You can use the stopwatch from your mobile phones.
The shutter tester is just as accurate at 30 seconds and at 1/1000th of a second. _________________ Camera shutter testers for speeds up to 1/1000th of a second. $14.99  |
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Attila


Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 52453 Location: Budapest,Hungary
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Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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And how important especially if you plan to use slides with folder cameras.
I got back Pearl III from C'lad I was exciting and didn't measure shutter speeds. I made only one frame with perfect exposition.... _________________ Attila - admin --- BUY FRESH FOMAPAN TO HELP KEEP THE FACTORY ALIVE ---
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Items on sale on Ebay
35mm: Konica A4, Konica IIIA, Konica FC-1
MF: Konica Pearl I,II,III 6x4,5 Konica Semi Pearl
Film: Foma,Kodak, Fuji DIY development C41, FOMA LQR
Scan: Epson V500, scanassist (http://www.scanassist.org)
Shutter tester: LCD tester from member vfmoto
Digital: Panasonic G1, Sony Nex-3, Samsung NX100
Lenses: Konica Hexanons,Carl Zeiss,Carl Zeiss Jena,Meyer-Optik,Minolta MD,Yashica ML,Nikon,Olympus OM
DIY E-6,C41 and B&W
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hoanpham

Joined: 31 Jan 2011 Posts: 1485
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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Is there any tester left?
I have a bunch of old film bodies that need to verify.
Please send me a PM. |
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vfmoto

Joined: 18 May 2010 Posts: 76 Location: Bucharest, Romania
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