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F16SUNSHINE
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| Quote: | Pity about that.
I know I'd be reluctant to file anything myself as I've always preferred, where possible, to make all mods reversible even though I may never fit the lens to it's native camera. |
I know. I'm really torn. I still shoot my film contax even more than the DSLR. They mount on the 40D well enough. I can not even mount the lenses to the camera the tabs protrude into the wall of the mirror box.
@ Orio
What is your experience? Did you file these tabs off? |
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bob955i
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I can not even mount the lenses to the camera the tabs protrude into the wall of the mirror box. |
This tallies with what SRB-Griturn (UK company that supplies and manufactures various photo accessories) told me when I enquired as to why they indicated that the C/Y-EOS adapter they had for sale wasn't suitable for FF Canon bodies both film and digital.
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Medium Format: Mamiya RB67 Pro-S, Pentacon Six TL, Yashica 635
Rangefinder: Rank-Mamiya 4B
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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| F16SUNSHINE wrote: |
@ Orio
What is your experience? Did you file these tabs off? |
Only on my Nikkors, because they are very easy to "operate", the annoying parts are not moving (they are fixed), and the filing has no consequence on the use with Nikon cameras.
I did not dare to operate the same way the contax lenses, partly because I only has problems with a couple of them (the Hollywood 28 and the Distagon 18 ), partly because the part to file was moving so I supposed it to be part of the necessary mechanism.
Finally, I decided that I really wanted to use on my 5D all the manual lenses that I have, and there are several that I could not mount because of mirror (the SMC Takumar 1.4/50, the Helios-44-2, practically all the old aluminium Zeiss Jena lenses, and others). So I took the plunge and shaved the mirror.
Like I said in the thread about that operation, it was so much simpler, faster, and easier than I expected, and I really regretted to have waited so long before doing that. Now, I can mount all MF lenses on my 5D, with the exception of a couple ones of those old Zeiss Jena aluminiums, which still refuse to clear the mirror.
For those lenses, however, I suspect that a simple operation of removal of the bottom part would make them mountable. but I am faint of heart and I don't have the coureage to do that! Still, as it is now, I can mount 98 or 99% of my lenses, including all the most important ones for me, so I am content like this. 
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F16SUNSHINE
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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Orio is the CCZ 2.8/180MMG a problem for you. My problem is not the mirror. Rather it is the inside of the camera that the tabs hit. I can't even mount them on.
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Pentax: Spotmatic,SpotmaticF,MX,6x7
Yashica FR, FX3, 124G
Asahi:SuperTak4/17,1.4/50,SMC1.4/50 1.8/55,3.5/55(67), 2.5/105(67)
Contax: 4/18 2.8/28 2.8/35 1.4/50 2.8/60 1.4/85 2.8/85 2/100 3.5/100 2.8/180
Rollie SL CZ 1.4/85
Leica 2/90
Nikkor 1.2/55
Vivitar S1 2.8/105macro 28-90
Voigtlander 4.5/15 4/25 1.4/40
Yashica ML 3.5/21 2.8/24 2.8/28 2/50 1.7/50 1.4/50 4/55macro 2.8/135 70-210
Zuiko 2/21 3.5/21 2/24 3.5/24shift 2/28 2/35 1.8/50 2.8/100
Russian/DDR/German: CZ 4.5/40 CZ 2.8/50 Trioplan 2.8/100 Primoplan 1.9/58 Mir 1 helios 44-2 industar 3.5/50
Rangefinders Yashica: YE w 2.8/5cm, 35, Lynx 1000, 5000, 14E IC, MinisterIII, Electro 35G, GS, GT, GSN, GTN, GL, GX, CC Canon QL17III, Konica S2, S1.6 Plaubel Makina II |
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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| F16SUNSHINE wrote: | | Orio is the CCZ 2.8/180MMG a problem for you. My problem is not the mirror. Rather it is the inside of the camera that the tabs hit. I can't even mount them on. |
No, it was never a problem, even when my 5D was unshaved. I always could mount it without any problem.
My version is MM - I know by experience that some lenses (such as Distagon 18 ) have different physical shape in the bottom between the AE and MM versions. I don't know if this is true of the 180mm however.
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LENSES: Russian, Zeiss, Leitz, old Nikkors.
DSLR: Canon 5D, 400D. SLR: Voigtländer Bessaflex TM, Nikon FM2, Canon 50E, Contax 167MT.
RANGEFINDERS: Contax G2, Canonette QL17. MEDIUM FORMAT: Pentacon 6, Zeiss Super Ikonta.
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F16SUNSHINE
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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Mine is a German MM (I know lucky me ). It has the old mount that is cut from one piece of metal. I have never seen the Japan model I only assumed it is the same. The other thing and more likely is my 5D is different slightly. The fin is for strength right? It could not hurt to file a mm or so off.  It is a shame to damage this lens however. Although I never plan to sell it. What do you think?
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Pentax: Spotmatic,SpotmaticF,MX,6x7
Yashica FR, FX3, 124G
Asahi:SuperTak4/17,1.4/50,SMC1.4/50 1.8/55,3.5/55(67), 2.5/105(67)
Contax: 4/18 2.8/28 2.8/35 1.4/50 2.8/60 1.4/85 2.8/85 2/100 3.5/100 2.8/180
Rollie SL CZ 1.4/85
Leica 2/90
Nikkor 1.2/55
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Voigtlander 4.5/15 4/25 1.4/40
Yashica ML 3.5/21 2.8/24 2.8/28 2/50 1.7/50 1.4/50 4/55macro 2.8/135 70-210
Zuiko 2/21 3.5/21 2/24 3.5/24shift 2/28 2/35 1.8/50 2.8/100
Russian/DDR/German: CZ 4.5/40 CZ 2.8/50 Trioplan 2.8/100 Primoplan 1.9/58 Mir 1 helios 44-2 industar 3.5/50
Rangefinders Yashica: YE w 2.8/5cm, 35, Lynx 1000, 5000, 14E IC, MinisterIII, Electro 35G, GS, GT, GSN, GTN, GL, GX, CC Canon QL17III, Konica S2, S1.6 Plaubel Makina II |
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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| F16SUNSHINE wrote: | | Mine is a German MM (I know lucky me ). It has the old mount that is cut from one piece of metal. I have never seen the Japan model I only assumed it is the same. The other thing and more likely is my 5D is different slightly. The fin is for strength right? It could not hurt to file a mm or so off. It is a shame to damage this lens however. Although I never plan to sell it. What do you think? |
I would never shave a lens worth more than 100-150 Euros. And especially a rare one such as yours. The Nikkors that I shaved were all old and battered ones, that I bought for, like 30 Euros to 50-60 Euros each.
It is much better to shave the mirror in my opinion. You do that only once, and you are set forever without the need to operate any lens. And in the unlikely case that you make a damage to your 5D, you can have it fixed for (they tell me) something between 200 and 300 Euros. So, less than the average price for one Contax 180mm lens.
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LENSES: Russian, Zeiss, Leitz, old Nikkors.
DSLR: Canon 5D, 400D. SLR: Voigtländer Bessaflex TM, Nikon FM2, Canon 50E, Contax 167MT.
RANGEFINDERS: Contax G2, Canonette QL17. MEDIUM FORMAT: Pentacon 6, Zeiss Super Ikonta.
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Orio
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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I just looked at my Contax 180mm
the bottoms seems made from one whole piece of metal, just as you describe it.
So the mystery is not resolved.
I only had problem mounting lenses on 5D (as opposed to mirror clearing problem) with a couple of Nikkors. This because of the very long metal flange. But like I said i filed it and then I could mount the lens.
I never had this kind of problem with Contax lenses.
I heard that 5D was slightly modified after some time. Perhaps our cameras belong to different "breeds" and this might explain the difference.
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Main Tools:
LENSES: Russian, Zeiss, Leitz, old Nikkors.
DSLR: Canon 5D, 400D. SLR: Voigtländer Bessaflex TM, Nikon FM2, Canon 50E, Contax 167MT.
RANGEFINDERS: Contax G2, Canonette QL17. MEDIUM FORMAT: Pentacon 6, Zeiss Super Ikonta.
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F16SUNSHINE
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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Ok so I took another look and measured a bit. Filing is a major commitment I should not do it at least not on the 180. Orio you're right. It is to uncommon to deface this lens.
The cameras must be different. Mine was new to the last owner in August '07. One solution could be to swap the mounts possibly. I have a box of C/Y mount lenses. Some are really inexpensive and could be donors.
Anyway future 5D buyers now can be aware of this potential issue.
I guess I will have to sell all my Contax lenses and buy a Canon f/.097 1mm - 3700mm EF IS EL Super Turd with the built paint air brush to fix the models makeup.
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Canon: 5D,40D Contax: Aria,RTS,RTS II, RX Leica: CL Voigtlander: Bessa L
Pentax: Spotmatic,SpotmaticF,MX,6x7
Yashica FR, FX3, 124G
Asahi:SuperTak4/17,1.4/50,SMC1.4/50 1.8/55,3.5/55(67), 2.5/105(67)
Contax: 4/18 2.8/28 2.8/35 1.4/50 2.8/60 1.4/85 2.8/85 2/100 3.5/100 2.8/180
Rollie SL CZ 1.4/85
Leica 2/90
Nikkor 1.2/55
Vivitar S1 2.8/105macro 28-90
Voigtlander 4.5/15 4/25 1.4/40
Yashica ML 3.5/21 2.8/24 2.8/28 2/50 1.7/50 1.4/50 4/55macro 2.8/135 70-210
Zuiko 2/21 3.5/21 2/24 3.5/24shift 2/28 2/35 1.8/50 2.8/100
Russian/DDR/German: CZ 4.5/40 CZ 2.8/50 Trioplan 2.8/100 Primoplan 1.9/58 Mir 1 helios 44-2 industar 3.5/50
Rangefinders Yashica: YE w 2.8/5cm, 35, Lynx 1000, 5000, 14E IC, MinisterIII, Electro 35G, GS, GT, GSN, GTN, GL, GX, CC Canon QL17III, Konica S2, S1.6 Plaubel Makina II |
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bob955i
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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My Planar 50 is MM and is also AFAIK Japanese - but whichever it's country of manufacture, the fin on this one is plastic and fits into the actual mount.
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DSLR: Canon EOS 5D
SLR: Ihagee Exa (V4), Exakta VX, Exakta Varex VX, Exakta Varex IIa, Exakta Varex IIb, Exakta VX 1000, Pentacon F, Pentacon FM, Pentacon FBM, Praktica BC-1, Voigtländer Bessaflex TM black
Medium Format: Mamiya RB67 Pro-S, Pentacon Six TL, Yashica 635
Rangefinder: Rank-Mamiya 4B
Bridge: Minolta DiMage 7i
P&S: Olympus XA-3
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Orio
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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| bob955i wrote: | | My Planar 50 is MM and is also AFAIK Japanese |
It is. There is no German Planar 1.4/50. They were all built in Japan (understandeably, as 50mm is the easiest lens to build and the one that needed the largest commercial quantity)
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Main Tools:
LENSES: Russian, Zeiss, Leitz, old Nikkors.
DSLR: Canon 5D, 400D. SLR: Voigtländer Bessaflex TM, Nikon FM2, Canon 50E, Contax 167MT.
RANGEFINDERS: Contax G2, Canonette QL17. MEDIUM FORMAT: Pentacon 6, Zeiss Super Ikonta.
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Attila
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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My Rollei Planar 1.4/50 Made in West Germany.
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Carl Zeiss: Sonnar 2.8/135,2.8/180mm,Tessar 4/135mm
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Orio
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Attila wrote: | | My Rollei Planar 1.4/50 Made in West Germany. |
Yes, Rollei (mine also which is 1.8/50)
I mean no Contax Planar 1.4/50 is made in Germany
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ХОРИОС-61 ( ώρεος ) : Lens sana in corpore sano
Main Tools:
LENSES: Russian, Zeiss, Leitz, old Nikkors.
DSLR: Canon 5D, 400D. SLR: Voigtländer Bessaflex TM, Nikon FM2, Canon 50E, Contax 167MT.
RANGEFINDERS: Contax G2, Canonette QL17. MEDIUM FORMAT: Pentacon 6, Zeiss Super Ikonta.
Read Full List HERE
www.timelessphotography.eu
www.oriofoto.net
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