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dude163
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 Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 10:05 pm Post subject: Can the Leica M8 do decent colour shots? |
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I think so!
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rbelyell
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| Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 12:04 am Post subject: |
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with or without IR filter?  
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KONICA AR 24/2.8 & 100/2.8
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M42: Mir 35/2
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dude163
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| Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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You tell me 
without
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CZJ Tessar 50/2.8 1954 model
Leica m8u : Rigid cron 50/2 Elmar 90/4 Elmarit 135/2.8 Jupiter8 50/2 Serenar 85/2
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rbelyell
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| Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 12:19 am Post subject: |
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important thing is that youre enjoying it!
could you tell me the difference between the m8 & 8.2?
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ZEISS BIOTAR 75/1.5 Exakta mount w Konica AR mount adapter
ZEISS BIOGON 28/2.8 contax G conversion to M mount
ZEISS SONNAR T 135/4 nikon rf mount w M adapter
KONICA AR 24/2.8 & 100/2.8
KODAK RETINA REFLEX IV CAM like new with full set of 7 schneider kruezach lenses, extras
M42: Mir 35/2
Adaptall: Tamron SP 28-85 macro
Cameras: Canon IX
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| Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 8:21 am Post subject: |
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The M8 has some problems (not always) with black.
I would love to have an M8 even with those "terrible colours". 
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Leica M8 - Voigtländer Heliar 4.5/15 & Ultron 2/28 & Ultron 1.7/35 & Heliar 2.5/75, Leica Summitar 2/50 & Elmar 4/90, Jupiter-3, Jupiter-8,
Sony NEX-7 / NEX-3 - Tamron 2.5/24, Pentax-110 2.8 (18/24/50/70), Fujian CCTV 1.7/35, Hexanon 1.8/40 & 1.4/57, Schneider-Kreuznach Tele-Xenar 3.8/75, Zuiko 2.8/100, Leica Hektor 4.5/135, Sony SEL 2.8/16 & 18-55 OSS & 55-210 OSS, Sigma EX 2.8/19 & 2.8/30
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Canon EOS 300D - Steinheil 2.8/35, Zuiko 1.4/50, Helios-44 2/58, Jupiter-9 2/85, Vivitar S1 2.3/135
Nikon D1 & Fuji S2 Pro - Tamron 2.5/28, MIR 2/35, Jupiter-37 3.5/135, Soligor 3.5/70-220, Tamron 18-200
Nikon D3100 - Nikkor AF-S 18-55VR, AF-S 18-70, AF-S 55-200
Ricoh KR10x - Pentax-M 1.7/50, Rikenon 3.4-4.5/35-70
Nikon F - Nikkor 2.8/24, Nikkor-SC 1.4/50 a.s.a.
Asahi Spotmatic SPII: CZJ Flek 4/20, Tamron 3.5/35-70, Industar 3.5/5cm, Mamiya 1.8/55
EXA Varex - CZJ Biogon 2/58
Leica IIIa syn & Zorki-4 - (LTM lenses)
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dude163
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| Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks gang
re: m8 and m8.2 there is an interim model , the m8u , Iknow that, because...........
.....thats what I have! its the m8 with the upgraded lcd glass, viewfinder lines and shutter upgrade , these were added after purchase by the previous owner. It still has the red dot and the older style *leather* however
the m8.2 has all of that built in, plus it has a black dot ( looks cool!) and a vulcanite coating thats like the old Leica M3
Plus price
new m8 4995$ m8.2 6295
used m8 2200 used m8.2 3495
used m8u that the seller insisted was an m8 vanilla 2400 , then I received an email from Leica AG telling me that it had all the upgrades done to it, so I got it for about 1000 less than I should have!
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Taks : ST 28mm f3.5 , ST 35mm f3.5, SMC 50mm f1.4 , ST 55mm f2 , SMC 135 f 3.5 , ST 200 f 4
CZJ Tessar 50/2.8 1954 model
Leica m8u : Rigid cron 50/2 Elmar 90/4 Elmarit 135/2.8 Jupiter8 50/2 Serenar 85/2
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dude163
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| Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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re: IR problems, this is what the sunset really looked like!!
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Taks : ST 28mm f3.5 , ST 35mm f3.5, SMC 50mm f1.4 , ST 55mm f2 , SMC 135 f 3.5 , ST 200 f 4
CZJ Tessar 50/2.8 1954 model
Leica m8u : Rigid cron 50/2 Elmar 90/4 Elmarit 135/2.8 Jupiter8 50/2 Serenar 85/2
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jun
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| Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 5:21 am Post subject: |
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the real question is :
is the Leica M series worth its price ? some people say that it is really the leica glass that makes the images. if so would you justify buying a m4/3 or nex and using the leica glass on it?
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dude163
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| Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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The Leica M series lenses are fantastic, if you do a quick lookon flickr, you can see shots taken with 4/3rds cameras and M glass that are phenomenal
Saying that however, the M8 and M9s have no anti aliasing filter and larger sensors, ( M8 is a 1.33 crop and the m9 is full frame)
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Taks : ST 28mm f3.5 , ST 35mm f3.5, SMC 50mm f1.4 , ST 55mm f2 , SMC 135 f 3.5 , ST 200 f 4
CZJ Tessar 50/2.8 1954 model
Leica m8u : Rigid cron 50/2 Elmar 90/4 Elmarit 135/2.8 Jupiter8 50/2 Serenar 85/2
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Orio
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If you want my opinion, as an owner of M9...
The Kodak sensor is fantastic. Most resolving sensor that I ever used. It needs colour profiling though. The embedded profile is terrible, too unbalanced on the greens.
I have made my custom profiles for all shooting situations and I have perfect colours now.
Is it worth the money? Probably yes, but it's still a lot of money though.
I speak frankly: if there was a full frame NEX when I bought the M9 in beginning of 2010, I would have chosen the NEX. I am sure that the Leica is sharper and more resolving, just because nothing possibly can be more.
But still, with a full frame NEX I would have spent half the money, most probably. For a good enough quality, also probably.
I think that today the only reason to spend a lot of money on a Leica digital is the full frame sensor of the M9.
I am sure that Leica M8 is still a great camera, but it's a crop format, same as Sony NEX, and with NEX cameras available for as little as some 300 Euros, I think NEX is a no brainer purchase, even if the image quality of M8 is probably unrivalled by Nex.
But hey, we're talking of some 2000 Euros difference (on average) between a new NEX and a used M8. Both cropped sensor. A difference that is not filled by a difference in image quality in my opinion, if buyer's on a budget.
(if you are rich, then what the heck... )
If my choice today was to buy between a M8 and a Sony NEX, I would buy the NEX no hesitation.
Of course, full frame is full frame... so if I could afford a M9, I'd still buy one.
But the day Sony will release a full frame NEX, I would also prefer it over a M9, always because of the price gap.
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rbelyell
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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| imperian wrote: | Guys, I am thinking of getting a M8 after so many years being published. Is it still a worthy camera to go with? I am too much away from M9 budget.....
Most likely would be after the rumors of M10 release on May 10, M8 might go further slash on the price..... |
i have read a lot about the digi M cameras, both 'expert' and regular folks on various forums. as orio said it seems the sensor, resolving power etc is excellent on both. if you require the RF 'experience in shooting the only other alternative is the epson rd1, at6mp, so really if its a RF patch you want, if its frame lines you want, thats it.
now for the negative. it seems universal dogma that these are not low light/high iso cameras. many folks on the rangefinder forum seem to have some other mirrorless cam, like the x100 or some new nex, for thise situations. the M8s REQUIRE that you put IR filters on your beautiful and expensive leica glass, because their technology did not allow them to compensate for their decision to increase resolving power at the expense of an IR filter. so without the filters the camera cannot render black and there is plenty of moire.
every camera entails compromise. ive made them with my digi setup. the particular compromises demanded by the M8s were too much for me before i even considered price. once that was thrown in it became a fleeting thought. but thats me. its just a matter of fully understanding what equipment can and cant do and honestly pairing that up with how you in particular shoot and what you expect from your equipment. my only advice is to make this analysis with brutal honesty as it will save you disappointment in the long run.
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FOR SALE:
ZEISS BIOTAR 75/1.5 Exakta mount w Konica AR mount adapter
ZEISS BIOGON 28/2.8 contax G conversion to M mount
ZEISS SONNAR T 135/4 nikon rf mount w M adapter
KONICA AR 24/2.8 & 100/2.8
KODAK RETINA REFLEX IV CAM like new with full set of 7 schneider kruezach lenses, extras
M42: Mir 35/2
Adaptall: Tamron SP 28-85 macro
Cameras: Canon IX
PM for more complete descriptions/pix. All in great shape!
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Orio
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, digtal Ms are not cameras for high ISO use.
For B&W snapshots, however, journalistic approach, they can be acceptable. I doubt that anyone would use a rangefinder camera for high quality night photography or sports photography, anyway.
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| imperian wrote: | Guys, I am thinking of getting a M8 after so many years being published. Is it still a worthy camera to go with? I am too much away from M9 budget.....
Most likely would be after the rumors of M10 release on May 10, M8 might go further slash on the price..... |
YES! It is worth it if you are interested in a digital M rangefinder. Used prices are coming into the 15-1800 range similar to the NEX7.
With the release this week of the Fuji XP1 prices will likely dip lower temporarily.
I predict there are a group of people mostly dentists and doctors (just kidding it's a funny stereotype  ) who are still holding slightly used M8's and will dump them for the new AF Fuji system.
After a while the prices will climb back to a even spot around 17-2000 as people realize the M8 is a very unique and capable image maker.
The only rival for a digital Rangefinder is an M9.
I'll keep m8 for now having been a long time RF user. It's served perfectly well and does exactly what it did when new now 5 years later.
I passed on the M9 as it is not enough of an upgrade fro the price. The m10 may be the next upgrade for me but, time will tell when it is released and to what benefit it brings.
The IR issues are non issues for me and my set of filters cost about $300 for my 10 or so lenses. The reality is all digital cameras have some IR interference from time to time.
Used and perfectly usable filters are available for $25-$40 from M9 adopters who, really should keep them as the m9 is far from immune to ir issues.
With Noise reduction of LR3/4 or NN iso 1250 is perfectly usable in the M8 if you print rather than pixel peep (some even will say to 2500).
In camera B+W high ISO is already quite comfortable with 1250 if (a big if) ... you expose generously enough. Most complaints about noise I notice are in underexposed photos!!
The bottom line question to ask yourself is,.... do you want a digital rangefinder or do you want a digital platform for rangefinder lenses?
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