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PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2014 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
mo wrote:
This is from the Pancolar 2/50,I don't know if it stays true to what bernhardas is trying to accomplish?


Who cares.
It is beautiful.
One of your best Mo.
OH


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2014 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I want to thank you Bernhard for setting a wonderful theme for all of us to explore.
Of course, we will not all see it with the same eyes and that is the beauty of it.
vive la différence
Of your last four images, I absolutely love the fourth.
OH


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Thank you both,this is one of the many enjoyments of using the old lenses,you really can paint with them.

This is what the first image was


PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2014 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Auto Tak 2.2/55 Brisbane, Australia


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Heddal Stavkirke by A_Anything, on Flickr


PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
bernhardas: I think you're getting better at this. I am finding it very difficult. There seems to be a point where an image seems just poorly focused, then there is a point where it is too out of focus. Finding a happy spot in between is the trick.

Does this one work? Can you tell what is here? My wife hates it.


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Optimus Prime Very Happy, Biotar 4cm/2 robot


PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
@Woodrim,I like it,why I don't really know.There is enough clarity to see what the subject is,the highlights provide enough interest with both busy and smooth bokeh.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thanks, Mo and bernhardas. While I love all different kinds of bokeh, I'm still not sure of myself with this form of art. My wife hated it, and then I posted it on a facebook photography forum and got killed. Not a single person there liked it - or they were afraid to say so. There was a long list of deserters. That's okay because it told me what I was wondering. It also opened up good conversation. If this can be considered art, then it is appreciated by select few. I do appreciate some of it, but have not yet settled on understanding where the line is between out-of-focus and bokeh art. In that photography forum I then posted the below image which received much the opposite reaction. All it took was a very small area to the far left that was in focus to change their perceptions. I find that interesting because while their eye may travel there first, to find the point of focus, they then look mostly at the rest of the photo for appreciation. I suspect this means that we have become programmed in photography to always expect that point of focus and have a hard time coping when it isn't there.


PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Great thread,I`d really like to try this lens on FF for extra swirl-

Nex 5r and Schneider Keuznach Xenon 50mm f2 (from Diax 2b)


PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
woodrim wrote:
Thanks, Mo and bernhardas. While I love all different kinds of bokeh, I'm still not sure of myself with this form of art. My wife hated it, and then I posted it on a facebook photography forum and got killed. Not a single person there liked it - or they were afraid to say so. There was a long list of deserters. That's okay because it told me what I was wondering. It also opened up good conversation. If this can be considered art, then it is appreciated by select few. I do appreciate some of it, but have not yet settled on understanding where the line is between out-of-focus and bokeh art. In that photography forum I then posted the below image which received much the opposite reaction. All it took was a very small area to the far left that was in focus to change their perceptions. I find that interesting because while their eye may travel there first, to find the point of focus, they then look mostly at the rest of the photo for appreciation. I suspect this means that we have become programmed in photography to always expect that point of focus and have a hard time coping when it isn't there.

Not every one will appropriate a photo no single object in focus. Many people will lost their interest if they cannot find a focus point at first glance. You may get better feedback with the people live in the Oriental.


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calvin83 wrote:
You may get better feedback with the people live in the Oriental.


I believe you are right.


PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
calvin83 wrote:
Not every one will appropriate a photo no single object in focus. Many people will lost their interest if they cannot find a focus point at first glance.


There you find me!
I am not oriental, sorry.
Only a few of the samples in this thread are somewhat interesting for me by stucture and colors, most are not my taste, I must say.


PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I also played with this technique and I think that in order for it to work, you have to be especially attentive to composition and the degree of OOF. My spouse hates anything remotely out of focus; my daughter thought the experiment was interesting.

For what it's worth, Woodrim, I liked your photo. It feels like a reflection, but above the water.

By way of example, I have some examples are some photos I took of some trees decorated for the holiday in our local park. In the first series, I liked the degree of OOF and the less busy composition of the first one the best. The fourth has a focal point by way of comparison. All taken with a Helios 44/4, most wide open, none stopped down more than f4.









For the next two, I found the first one uninteresting and vastly preferred the second with a shallow DOF and a single focal point.





Finally, these of a floral bouquet. The first was too OOF to hold my interest. The second I found pleasing with the suggestion of pattern and the range of colors.





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SK Xenar 3.5/75mm


PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
woodrim wrote:
Thanks, Mo and bernhardas. While I love all different kinds of bokeh, I'm still not sure of myself with this form of art. My wife hated it, and then I posted it on a facebook photography forum and got killed. Not a single person there liked it - or they were afraid to say so. There was a long list of deserters. That's okay because it told me what I was wondering. It also opened up good conversation. If this can be considered art, then it is appreciated by select few. I do appreciate some of it, but have not yet settled on understanding where the line is between out-of-focus and bokeh art. In that photography forum I then posted the below image which received much the opposite reaction. All it took was a very small area to the far left that was in focus to change their perceptions. I find that interesting because while their eye may travel there first, to find the point of focus, they then look mostly at the rest of the photo for appreciation. I suspect this means that we have become programmed in photography to always expect that point of focus and have a hard time coping when it isn't there.


Hmmm, yes you are probably right about people's perceptions of images and what they have come to expect from an image - hence looking for something for the eye to latch onto.
However, I think that there is more to it than simply a point of sharpness.
This image of yours is splendid from a number of viewpoints, and viewers will find some comfort in things other than sharpness.
This has a uniformity of tone and it uses line, repetition and pattern to excellent effect. These elements of your composition can - and do - add to the art here.
I reallllyyyyy like this image.
OH


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Sankyo Kohki Komura 105mm F2. Imagination is needed!


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Konica Hexanon 57 1.4



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Pentacon Practikar 50mm f1.8




PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Great pics, keep them coming!


PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
@Calvin, yours reminds me of one of those Japanese or Chinese paintings, with the characters written on the painting as well as the picture.

@woodrim, that is something special
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