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alaios
Joined: 24 Jan 2014 Posts: 724
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 8:41 am Post subject: Bargains for micro four third |
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alaios wrote:
Hi all,
a friend is looking on offer for byuing a second hand camera. He was looking between aps-c and mft cameras with the latter being more affordable.
G3 for example costs around 130 euros and it has touch screen, hot shoe and the ability to change lenses and even more important viewfinder.
I am thinking though what bargains you can have with the 2x crop factor? Are there affordable adapted-lenses in the 30-70mm full frame equivalent for such high crop factors?
Can you give suggestions for wide enough full frame lenses that can be bought with just 30-60 euros and still give a not very tele range in the g3?
Regards
Alex |
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7547 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 9:02 am Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
Nothing cheap can be comparable to the kit lens 14-42mm if you want a wide angle. _________________ https://lensfever.com/
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Olivier
Joined: 18 Feb 2009 Posts: 5077 Location: France
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 9:39 am Post subject: |
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Olivier wrote:
For 30-60€, I don't see any manual focus FF wide lens.
Enough wide : 30mm for instance, would give a full frame 15mm. I just know a Zenitar 16mm fisheye and it is over your budget limitations.
I follow calvin with his 14-42mm kit lens, or samyang MFT lenses.
The 2x factor is limitating for MF wide lenses, and is interesting for long focals. _________________ Olivier - Moderator
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nandakoryaaa
Joined: 07 Sep 2014 Posts: 95
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:24 am Post subject: Re: Bargains for micro four third |
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nandakoryaaa wrote:
No, there's no such option as bargain full-frame wide-angle lenses.
Your limit here will be some Vivitars and Sigmas 24/2.8, and on very rare occasions Sigma 18/3.5 and alike.
As suggested above, a native Panasonic Lumix 14-42 lens is the way to go. It has quick AF, IS, it's cheap and has decent image quality.
You can also buy an m4/3 speedbooster which will give you a bit more of wide angle with old MF lenses. I bought a noname Chinese one, for under $100, and it is surprisingly good, built like a tank and does its job well without any noticeable quality loss. |
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alaios
Joined: 24 Jan 2014 Posts: 724
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:57 am Post subject: |
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alaios wrote:
what about vivitar at 24mm? or at 20mm?
Can these be mounted at the mft cameras? |
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nandakoryaaa
Joined: 07 Sep 2014 Posts: 95
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:25 am Post subject: |
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nandakoryaaa wrote:
alaios wrote: |
what about vivitar at 24mm? or at 20mm?
Can these be mounted at the mft cameras? |
Yes they can. But 20mm is much more expensive by itself.
Vivitar is only a trade name, these lenses can be found under different names. |
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drjs
Joined: 25 Feb 2013 Posts: 485 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:30 pm Post subject: Re: Bargains for micro four third |
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drjs wrote:
alaios wrote: |
Hi all,
a friend is looking on offer for byuing a second hand camera. He was looking between aps-c and mft cameras with the latter being more affordable.
G3 for example costs around 130 euros and it has touch screen, hot shoe and the ability to change lenses and even more important viewfinder.
I am thinking though what bargains you can have with the 2x crop factor? Are there affordable adapted-lenses in the 30-70mm full frame equivalent for such high crop factors?
Can you give suggestions for wide enough full frame lenses that can be bought with just 30-60 euros and still give a not very tele range in the g3?
Regards
Alex |
How about Tamron SP 24-48? It is about $100 this side of the pond and would be 4/3rd equvilent of 50-100mm. Slightly longer than what you specified but the performance is bloody marvelous. _________________ Follow me on 500px |
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fermy
Joined: 17 Feb 2012 Posts: 2877
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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fermy wrote:
The choice of budget 15-35mm (effective 30-70mm with a 2x crop factor) is not huge and the kit lens would compare well to them in terms of IQ at common apertures. I find that on my m4/3 bodies in this range I tend to stick to the kit lens or use my Canon FD 35mm f2 or Nikkor-N 35mm f1.4, which are not really budget.
Still, there are some interesting options if you want a change of pace lens, or need large aperture. IMHO most interesting are c-mounts since they are also tiny. For instance, here's Pentax/Cosmicar 25mm/1.9: http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic,p,1279508.html#1279508
I have 3 of those, 2 of them are for sale for 25-30 Euros each.
Another lens that is close to your budget is Prost/Weltblick/Universar 35mm f1.8. I have one for sale for 70 Euros. Here's my thread on this lens: http://forum.mflenses.com/auto-universar-pc-hi-d-35mm-f1-8-t49764.html _________________ Many lenses and some film bodies for sale here: http://forum.mflenses.com/canon-fd-minolta-md-c-mounts-m42-pentax-and-more-t50465.html
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philslizzy
Joined: 07 Aug 2012 Posts: 4747 Location: Cheshire, England
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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philslizzy wrote:
You may like to check if the camera your friend is interested in has a manual focusing aid. I bought one for £100 from a clearance store near me, and while it did everything I wanted it to it didnt have a focusing aid other than a magnified view. The screen wasn't high enough resolution to focus properly.
I took it back and got a refund.
I concur that your kit lens is the widest choice. I recently acquired a 17mm lens which is great on my Minolta or Pentax film camera but doesn't quite do it on my Sonys. _________________ Hero in the 'messin-with-cameras-for-the-hell-of-it department'. Official. |
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Olivier
Joined: 18 Feb 2009 Posts: 5077 Location: France
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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Olivier wrote:
With the Olympus Pen E-P2, I have in body image stabilisation, great focusing aid (x7 and x10 magnification). I equipped it with an EVF.
For wide I have kit lens Zuiko 14-42mm and a Lumix 2.5/14mm asph.
speaking about MF lenses, I mount the Tamron SP 3.5-3.8/24-48mm, the Nikkor 2.8/24mm or the Carl Zeiss Jena 4/20mm. _________________ Olivier - Moderator
Dslr : Olympus Pen E-P2 - Fujifilm X-Pro2 - Canon 5D MkII.
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7547 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 2:39 am Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
You will need the OIS in the kit lens as the G3 does not have in-body image stabilization. It enables you use a MUCH lower ISO for landscapes under low light condition.
I do have a Tokina 17mm and Topcon 20mm but I always bring my 18-55 kit lens when I need a wide angle. _________________ https://lensfever.com/
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bruzzo
Joined: 05 Jul 2012 Posts: 153
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Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 7:04 am Post subject: |
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bruzzo wrote:
Agree, you can't go wrong with the kit lens it's the cheapest lens with AF for quick snapshots and general use.
Full frame lenses on m43 are often not wide enough. You can consider some C mount or D mount cine / CCTV lenses such as some 12-120/2.8, 11-110/1.8 superzooms with large aperture. But I am not familiar with them and not sure if they can cover 43 sensors and how practical they are on m43 cameras. Some other members here have a lot more knowledge about this then I do I am sure. |
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RAART
Joined: 10 Oct 2012 Posts: 499 Location: Oakville, ON, Canada
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Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 9:38 am Post subject: |
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RAART wrote:
I have the following and I was very happy with it.
Olympus E-PL1
Olympus VF-2 (silver) electronic viewfinder
AF Olympus 14-42mm 3.5-5.6 L ED (aftermarket hood but have vignetting at wide end)
AF Olympus 40-150mm 4-5.6 ED MSC incl. Olympus lens hood LH-61D
AF Sigma 19mm 2.8 EX DN (with factory hood)
AF Sigma 30mm 2.8 EX DN incl. Nikon lens hood HN-E5000
and nice set of Konica and Olympus OM lenses to compliment tele end.
At some point I will update the body to E-M10...
BTW - The AF Sigma 19mm is excellent for the money. _________________
Camera: Pentax K3
FOR SALE:
Do you have Pentax-A or F or FA primes and like to trade?
Here is the list what I have to trade/sale:
Primes: - Kiron 28mm f2 (C/Y); Vivitar 28mm f2.5 Auto (FD); Minolta MD 50mm f2 (incl. adapter to m4/3); Miranda Auto 35mm f2.8 EC (incl. adapter to m4/3); Miranda Auto 135mm f2.8 EC (incl. adapter to m4/3);
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fermy
Joined: 17 Feb 2012 Posts: 2877
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Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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fermy wrote:
It's a good point, Calvin. With manual lenses in mind, an old Olympus body makes more sense because every manual lens is stabilized on it. I also had E-PL1 that I was very happy with. Not selling it either, as the prices are ridiculously low for such a good cam. I simply have it permanently attached to one of my Photosnipers. _________________ Many lenses and some film bodies for sale here: http://forum.mflenses.com/canon-fd-minolta-md-c-mounts-m42-pentax-and-more-t50465.html
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sceptic
Joined: 01 Jun 2013 Posts: 255
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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sceptic wrote:
For what you pay, the Samyang/Rokinon 12 mm f/2 is truly a bargain , and also comes in m4/3 mount. It's manual focus only, but that is of course no different from any vintage, adapted lens. Some examples, shot with an X-E1:
Bench by scepticswe, on Flickr
Split by scepticswe, on Flickr
Reluctant model by scepticswe, on Flickr _________________ Sony A7R and wildly varying flora of lenses |
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guardian
Joined: 18 Mar 2009 Posts: 1747
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 2:48 pm Post subject: Re: Bargains for micro four third |
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guardian wrote:
alaios wrote: |
Can you give suggestions for wide enough full frame lenses that can be bought with just 30-60 euros and still give a not very tele range in the g3?
Alex |
Why not (at least) consider the Pentax 110 18mm? It is within your price range even considering need to purchase the Chinese adapter (circa US$20).
Acknowledged:
The 110 lenses are all fixed aperture. But others have found ways easily to work around that limitation.
Thing is they are m4/3 compatible and of quite good quality. At the upper end of your price range (€60) you could likely afford to buy both the 18mm and the (Pentax 110) 24mm, along with the adapter . . . if you shop a bit. That would give you some lens flexibility. |
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