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Orio
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 Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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Is this video any good?
http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu0Ul_wsYO8
It looks clear to me because there's the writings. Other videos are only spoken and my understanding of spoken English is limited 
What chemical is the "wetting agent"? It says it serves for hard water. The water here is very hard, so I guess I need this agent. Any suggestion on what to buy?
One final question, how is that when the guy reverses the tank, the spool with the film does not fall down?
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Orio
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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Here's another video from same author about loading 35mm and medium format film into the spool:
http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=6SM5p_x4w7A
Man, loading MF film looks like a nightmare...
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peterqd
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Orio wrote: | Is this video any good?
http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu0Ul_wsYO8
It looks clear to me because there's the writings. Other videos are only spoken and my understanding of spoken English is limited
What chemical is the "wetting agent"? It says it serves for hard water. The water here is very hard, so I guess I need this agent. Any suggestion on what to buy?
One final question, how is that when the guy reverses the tank, the spool with the film does not fall down? |
Yes, it's very helpful. I do it slightly differently though, if you read my article, as the temperatures drop quite quickly. I fill the sink with water at 21°C. Then I make up the fixer and stop bath dilutions in a graduated cylinder, using the water from the sink, and then pour the dilutions into capped bottles. The bottles go into the water in the sink to keep up to temperature while I'm doing other things. Then I mix the developer in the other cylinder, again using water from the sink. This is where the jug comes in useful.
After the chemicals have been used, the developer is discarded but the stop bath and the fixer can be stored back in their bottles with a funnel and used again.
With the final wash, I just take the lid off the tank and take out the top part so I can see the spool, and just leave it under a running tap for 5 minutes, with the occasional agitation by hand.
The tank he's using in the video is the Paterson Universal. There are 6 parts:
1 the main container
2 the plastic lid you see him taking off and putting back on
3 the top part (like a funnel), inside the lid
4 the white spool holding the film
5 a black spindle which pushes into the centre of the spool.
The spindle fits tightly enough in the spool to stop it sliding, and the funnel of the top part goes down inside the spindle to prevent light entering.
6 a separate little plastic probe (you can't see it in the video) which goes down through the hole in the funnel and fits in the spindle. You can use it to twist the spindle and agitate the film and liquid.
The wetting agent is just a non-foaming liquid detergent, you use it as a final wash and it helps the water to run off the film and prevents calcium stains. I use "Ilfotol", from Speed Graphic like the other chemicals. You only need use a tiny amount. I mix it in the jug.
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Russian - J9, J21, J37A, M1v, M24m, I50-2, H44m-4 Vega12
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peterqd
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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Yep, it ain't easy, and in darkness remember!  He makes it look difficult though. Earlier in this thread I found an easier way to do it. I don't bother removing the adhesive tape on the film, I just develop it!
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Russian - J9, J21, J37A, M1v, M24m, I50-2, H44m-4 Vega12
Takumar 3.5/28, 3.5/35, 1.4/50, 1.8/55, 1.9/85, 3.5/135 - Vivitar 2.8/28
K-mount : Pentax-M 2.8/28, 1.7/50 - Tamron zooms :SP28-80, SP35-80, SP60-300, 80-210
DSLR:Canon 400D 35mm SLR: Pentax Spotmatic SP, SPII, SPF, ESII, K2, ME Super, P30 - Chinon CE-3 - Minolta XG-M - Praktica Nova 1B, PLC2
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Orio
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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Peter, how do you set the correct water temperature, and keep it, if you don't have a kitchen near you?
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peterqd
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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I use the bathroom. I fill the wash basin with water at 21 or 22C, just slightly warmer than the 20C needed. The extra volume of water in the basin retains its temperature better. If you dont have a sink or basin you could fill a bucket and keep it insulated somehow, or have some hot water close by to top it up if needed. I try to make the air temperature at 21C too, but that might be a bit difficult in your warmer climate.
Temperarture/timing is very important to get right, but you can vary the temperature slightly if you also vary the time accordingly. The Ilford factsheet tells you all about it.
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Russian - J9, J21, J37A, M1v, M24m, I50-2, H44m-4 Vega12
Takumar 3.5/28, 3.5/35, 1.4/50, 1.8/55, 1.9/85, 3.5/135 - Vivitar 2.8/28
K-mount : Pentax-M 2.8/28, 1.7/50 - Tamron zooms :SP28-80, SP35-80, SP60-300, 80-210
DSLR:Canon 400D 35mm SLR: Pentax Spotmatic SP, SPII, SPF, ESII, K2, ME Super, P30 - Chinon CE-3 - Minolta XG-M - Praktica Nova 1B, PLC2
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Orio
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:50 am Post subject: |
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Chemical storing bottles: I am planning to buy 2 of them, of the accordion type. Is 1 liter size each enough, or is it best 2 liter size each?
How long will last one bottle of chemicals of each type that are listed in the original message?
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DSLR: Canon EOS 5D, 50D. SLR: Contax AX, RX, 167MT; Voigtländer Bessaflex TM; Praktica FX2; Nikon FM2, F70.
RANGEFINDERS: Contax G2, Kiev-4, Voigtlaender Bessa-T, Canonette QL17. MEDIUM FORMAT: Pentacon 6, Zeiss Super Ikonta, Agfa Record II.
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Jieffe
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:04 am Post subject: |
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| Orio wrote: | | Man, loading MF film looks like a nightmare... |
You're just getting used to it after a few loadings ...
The way I learned :
- Make sure to cut rounded corners at the end of the film (helps to slide it in the spool)
- Practice first in daylight with an old film, load and unload a few times;
- Do the same "the Marine way", eyes closed  ;
- Try to stay calm
- Make sure your first try is not with the roll from that "Once in a Lifetime" shooting session
I never ruined a negative, even 120 film which is harder to load.
Oh, I also used vinegar as a cheap stop bath
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peterqd
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry Orio, I just saw this.
| Orio wrote: | | Chemical storing bottles: I am planning to buy 2 of them, of the accordion type. Is 1 liter size each enough, or is it best 2 liter size each? |
The idea of the accordion bottles is that you squash them down to expel the air in the bottle before you put the cap on (like an old rubber hot water bottle if you ever used one ) Air in contact with the chemicals degrades them faster I understand. So you don't want bottles that are too large. The size depends on how many films you'll be developing at the same time. The quantites of fluid needed, using the Paterson Universal tank, are as follows:
One 135 film: 290 ml
One 127 film: 370ml
One 120 or 220 film: 500ml
Two 135 films: 600ml (The films are stacked in the tank)
So unless you're going into industrial production, two 1 litre bottles will be more than adequate.
| Orio wrote: | | How long will last one bottle of chemicals of each type that are listed in the original message? |
This depends on how frequently you are going to be developing. I haven't done very many films and my 1 litre bottle of developer began to crystallise and lose its strength after about a year. I'm using powder developer now as it has a longer shelf life. You only use the diluted developer once and then pour it away.
The undiluted stop and fixer have a much longer shelf life. I'm still using the original (undiluted) chemicals I bought about 18 months ago. The accordion bottles are for storing the diluted mixes. The number of times you can use a mix of each is detailed in the factsheets.
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Lenses: M42 - CZJ 2.8/20, 2.4/35, 1.8/50, 2.8/50, 3.5/135 - Meyer/Pentacon 1.8/50, 2.8/50, 2.8/135, 4/200
Russian - J9, J21, J37A, M1v, M24m, I50-2, H44m-4 Vega12
Takumar 3.5/28, 3.5/35, 1.4/50, 1.8/55, 1.9/85, 3.5/135 - Vivitar 2.8/28
K-mount : Pentax-M 2.8/28, 1.7/50 - Tamron zooms :SP28-80, SP35-80, SP60-300, 80-210
DSLR:Canon 400D 35mm SLR: Pentax Spotmatic SP, SPII, SPF, ESII, K2, ME Super, P30 - Chinon CE-3 - Minolta XG-M - Praktica Nova 1B, PLC2
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Orio
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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Peter, will the Ilford chemicals you suggest, develop any kind of B&W film, or are there limitations?
At current I have a stock of 6-7 Agfa rolls.
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Main Tools:
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DSLR: Canon EOS 5D, 50D. SLR: Contax AX, RX, 167MT; Voigtländer Bessaflex TM; Praktica FX2; Nikon FM2, F70.
RANGEFINDERS: Contax G2, Kiev-4, Voigtlaender Bessa-T, Canonette QL17. MEDIUM FORMAT: Pentacon 6, Zeiss Super Ikonta, Agfa Record II.
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peterqd
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, I'm sure they will be fine. But you might think about using Rodinal developer instead, as this was originally an Agfa product too.
I only quoted the Ilford chemicals because a) I've used them myself; b) they're available; c) they're easy to use and d) Ilford do some really helpful instructions and product factsheets. There are many different products and it's fun to experiment and use different techniques until you find something you really like. I don't have enough experience yet to make recommendations, I'm sure Andy has a lot more knowledge than me.
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Lenses: M42 - CZJ 2.8/20, 2.4/35, 1.8/50, 2.8/50, 3.5/135 - Meyer/Pentacon 1.8/50, 2.8/50, 2.8/135, 4/200
Russian - J9, J21, J37A, M1v, M24m, I50-2, H44m-4 Vega12
Takumar 3.5/28, 3.5/35, 1.4/50, 1.8/55, 1.9/85, 3.5/135 - Vivitar 2.8/28
K-mount : Pentax-M 2.8/28, 1.7/50 - Tamron zooms :SP28-80, SP35-80, SP60-300, 80-210
DSLR:Canon 400D 35mm SLR: Pentax Spotmatic SP, SPII, SPF, ESII, K2, ME Super, P30 - Chinon CE-3 - Minolta XG-M - Praktica Nova 1B, PLC2
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Orio
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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If they will work, I think I will stick with Ilford for the beginning, as I am a clear case of guy needing very clear explanation! 
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Main Tools:
LENSES: Carl Zeiss, Leitz, Soviet, old Nikkors, others.
DSLR: Canon EOS 5D, 50D. SLR: Contax AX, RX, 167MT; Voigtländer Bessaflex TM; Praktica FX2; Nikon FM2, F70.
RANGEFINDERS: Contax G2, Kiev-4, Voigtlaender Bessa-T, Canonette QL17. MEDIUM FORMAT: Pentacon 6, Zeiss Super Ikonta, Agfa Record II.
Read Full List HERE
www.timelessphotography.eu
www.oriofoto.net
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