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montecarlo
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http://www.bjp-online.com/public/showPage.html?page=801977
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Bruce
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Hey... happy fourth of July to all of you from USA.
INDEPENDENCE DAY! |
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kansalliskala
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 6:32 am Post subject: |
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Yep. Who actually won the Cold War 
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montecarlo
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 8:48 am Post subject: |
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| kansalliskala wrote: | | Yep. Who actually won the Cold War |
This I was thinking too 
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peterqd
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Why do you say bad news? I don't see any problem here really, the law hasn't been changed or new restrictions added. Indeed, the Government Minister has reaffirmed that photography in a public place is legal and there is no presumption of right of privacy for individuals.
I'm not sure if you remember the recent bus and tube bombings in London and the arrests of other people trying to blow themselves up along with many other innocent people? A high level of security alert is normal here these days and I for one am very thankful to the police and others that we can feel relatively safe. In past cases, photographing the target area beforehand has been a common thread and, like it or not, it's a legitimate reason to arouse suspicion. They must have a really difficult time trying to decide if someone taking photographs is suspicious or not and, if they do occasionally make mistakes, I'd much rather they were over-cautious than nonchalant.
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montecarlo
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Yes, concerning for the people's safety/security is a very good thing, not only now but always, though I hope this is not a so called "STEP 1" in limiting people's freedom. I might be a little (more ) paranoic, but I hope there won't be abusing actions from the authorities, and not only in UK but everywhere. Let's hope.
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Farside
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| peterqd wrote: | | A high level of security alert is normal here these days and I for one am very thankful to the police and others that we can feel relatively safe. In past cases, photographing the target area beforehand has been a common thread and, like it or not, it's a legitimate reason to arouse suspicion. They must have a really difficult time trying to decide if someone taking photographs is suspicious or not and, if they do occasionally make mistakes, I'd much rather they were over-cautious than nonchalant. |
The problem is, the implementation of "security" measures has been left to heavy-handed, ignorant fools who love to throw their weight around. Witness the spate of photographer harrassment incidents in the past year by idiotic part-time police and security guards.
As I've always said, put an a*se in a uniform and he becomes a bigger a*se.
Unfortunately, this has a deleterious effect on the normal respect the public has (or used to have) for the police and the majority of sensible, decent men and women who wear a police uniform.
I think the UK government can ill-afford a further reduction in respect for the forces of Law and Order, especially given the plummeting respect the police are now afforded in the wake of the numerou fining and banning of drivers for minor traffic offences, which is, rightly or wrongly, blamed on policing. As usual, however, the government simply don't care, and neither will the next one.
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Orio
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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This communiqué is very ambiguous. It says there are no limitations for photographers, yet it does not place any limitation for the police to their power of preventing photography in any place, at any time.
in theory, it could be defined contradictory, as it hosts in the same page two conflicting situations.
In practice, the contradiction will be solved this way: you, the photographer, will not be persecuted by the law, because you are doing an allowed thing, but I, the police, will have the right to take your film rolls and memory cards (and perhaps cameras too) away from you in any place, at any time.
This means, in practice, potentially unlimited power of censorship.
If I was an English citizen, I would have preferred a more restrictive edict, that however would specify clearly what where and when is allowed, and what where and when is not.
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LucisPictor
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I think it is a little hypocritical to enable the police to stop any hobby photographer in a city (London) where everybody is constantly on camera! 
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lulalake
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| montecarlo wrote: | | kansalliskala wrote: | | Yep. Who actually won the Cold War |
This I was thinking too |
Global warming.
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Riku
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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| lulalake wrote: | | montecarlo wrote: | | kansalliskala wrote: | | Yep. Who actually won the Cold War |
This I was thinking too |
Global warming. |
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peterqd
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| Orio wrote: | | If I was an English citizen, I would have preferred a more restrictive edict, that however would specify clearly what where and when is allowed, and what where and when is not. |
I see the point, but they can't specify what where and when as it would just give terrorists an opportunity. Also the security needs to be reviewed and changed almost daily to cover special events etc. To be fair, I think the Government and police are genuinely trying their best to keep security as tight as possible without being too restrictive. It's not possible to codify that in rules and regulations.
| LucisPictor wrote: | | I think it is a little hypocritical to enable the police to stop any hobby photographer in a city (London) where everybody is constantly on camera! |
There wouldn't be much point in observing with CCTV cameras if they didn't have the power to investigate anyone acting suspiciously, and they have always had that power. The cameras just make their job of detection a little easier. Actually, I haven't heard of any hobby photographer having his pictures confiscated - they do seem to be applying common sense.
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Farside
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 12:28 am Post subject: |
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| peterqd wrote: | | [ Actually, I haven't heard of any hobby photographer having his pictures confiscated - they do seem to be applying common sense. |
Some people have been forced or bullied into deleting their pics from their memory cards - go and look at the Amateur Photographer website for chapter and verse on this - there are also several instances documented on a couple of flickr threads. This is what happens when w*nkers put on uniforms - unfortunately, the uniforms attract them.
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peterqd
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 11:53 am Post subject: |
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| Farside wrote: | | peterqd wrote: | | [ Actually, I haven't heard of any hobby photographer having his pictures confiscated - they do seem to be applying common sense. |
Some people have been forced or bullied into deleting their pics from their memory cards - go and look at the Amateur Photographer website for chapter and verse on this - there are also several instances documented on a couple of flickr threads. This is what happens when w*nkers put on uniforms - unfortunately, the uniforms attract them. |
I hadn't heard about that. I'd like to know what they were doing at the time, what aroused suspicion. But you're absolutely right about uniforms. I'm sure we've all come up against that at some time. We now have a new kind of semi-police, called Police Community Support Officers. You can guess what they're really like! 
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/police/recruitment/community-support-officer/
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Farside
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As always, it's the overly zealous, bullying, or ignorant ones who create the mistrust and the bad atmosphere. This problem goes way back to the Special Constables; most of them were ok, but there were always some who really shouldn't have been trusted to deal with the public and whose motives for wanting to be an SC should have been questioned. The PCSOs are just more of the same. As for security guards, the same applies, in my opinion.
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