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connloyalist
Joined: 22 Jul 2020 Posts: 221 Location: the Netherlands
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 4:49 pm Post subject: Asahi Pentax 150mm 4/0 (M42 mount) |
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connloyalist wrote:
Let me start by saying that I am not very familiar with Pentax lenses and the various naming conventions, so excuse my mistakes in that regard.
I am looking at a Pentax 150mm 4.0 in M42 mount. The front ring says: "Asahi Opt. Co. Japan Super-Multi-Coated Takumar" which according to information I have found means it is the third version of this lens, and the last one in M42 mount.
https://lens-db.com/asahi-super-multi-coated-takumar-150mm-f4-1971/
Lens-db describes it as "Mod. M42". Will it work with a standard M42 adapter? The Novoflex adapter I use has a small ledge on the inside that keeps the aperture pin on the lens depressed, although it looks like this lens has a manual/auto switch so that shouldn't be a problem either way. What exactly is the modification to the M42 mount on this lens?
Regards, C. |
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 10463 Location: California
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
Here we have:
1. Super-Takumar 1:4 / 150 -- M42, model I has 5/4 optics, 43740 stamped on Auto/Man switch. Early model I have glued rear dust cover; later model I have threaded rear dust covers.
2. Super-Takumar 1:4 / 150 -- M42, model II has 5/5 optics, 43741 stamped on Auto/Man switch.
3. Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4 / 150 -- M42, 5/5 optics, 43742 stamped on Auto/Man switch.
4. SMC PENTAX 1:4 / 150 -- K-mount, 5/5 optics
The "Mod. M42" probably refers to the addition of the mechanical aperture-position linkage for communicating with Spotmatic ES and F cameras which provide full-aperture metering capability when these lenses are used. The linkage does not prevent usage with other M42 cameras or adapters. _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony A7Rii, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Lenses:
Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200
Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300
Macro-Takumar 1:4/50
Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm
Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element),
Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17
Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500
Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100
Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100
SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
Other lenses:
Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51BB), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto
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caspert79
Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Posts: 2901 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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caspert79 wrote:
Very good lens (the 5/5 config) with almost no CA. Made this image with the PK mount version:
https://www.flickr.com/gp/55691955@N05/3Sv53s |
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connloyalist
Joined: 22 Jul 2020 Posts: 221 Location: the Netherlands
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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connloyalist wrote:
visualopsins wrote: |
The "Mod. M42" probably refers to the addition of the mechanical aperture-position linkage for communicating with Spotmatic ES and F cameras which provide full-aperture metering capability when these lenses are used. The linkage does not prevent usage with other M42 cameras or adapters. |
Thank you for explaining that
Nice picture!
Regards, C. |
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Oldhand
Joined: 01 Apr 2013 Posts: 6006 Location: Mid North Coast NSW - Australia
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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:27 am Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
I have the older Super-Takumar version.
It is a great lens
Tom
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D1N0
Joined: 07 Aug 2012 Posts: 2483
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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2022 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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D1N0 wrote:
visualopsins wrote: |
Here we have:
1. Super-Takumar 1:4 / 150 -- M42, model I has 5/4 optics, 43740 stamped on Auto/Man switch. Early model I have glued rear dust cover; later model I have threaded rear dust covers.
2. Super-Takumar 1:4 / 150 -- M42, model II has 5/5 optics, 43741 stamped on Auto/Man switch.
3. Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4 / 150 -- M42, 5/5 optics, 43742 stamped on Auto/Man switch.
4. SMC PENTAX 1:4 / 150 -- K-mount, 5/5 optics
The "Mod. M42" probably refers to the addition of the mechanical aperture-position linkage for communicating with Spotmatic ES and F cameras which provide full-aperture metering capability when these lenses are used. The linkage does not prevent usage with other M42 cameras or adapters. |
according to Gerjan's book they are both 5/5. Version 2 has different optics in the two rear elements. _________________ pentaxian |
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 10463 Location: California
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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2022 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
D1N0 wrote: |
visualopsins wrote: |
Here we have:
1. Super-Takumar 1:4 / 150 -- M42, model I has 5/4 optics, 43740 stamped on Auto/Man switch. Early model I have glued rear dust cover; later model I have threaded rear dust covers.
2. Super-Takumar 1:4 / 150 -- M42, model II has 5/5 optics, 43741 stamped on Auto/Man switch.
3. Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4 / 150 -- M42, 5/5 optics, 43742 stamped on Auto/Man switch.
4. SMC PENTAX 1:4 / 150 -- K-mount, 5/5 optics
The "Mod. M42" probably refers to the addition of the mechanical aperture-position linkage for communicating with Spotmatic ES and F cameras which provide full-aperture metering capability when these lenses are used. The linkage does not prevent usage with other M42 cameras or adapters. |
according to Gerjan's book they are both 5/5. Version 2 has different optics in the two rear elements. |
That's what I get for using the first edition of his book instead of the second edition. The first edition does show the correct 5/5 diagram, but typo in specifications list. Thanks for catching! _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony A7Rii, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Lenses:
Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200
Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300
Macro-Takumar 1:4/50
Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm
Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element),
Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17
Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500
Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100
Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100
SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
Other lenses:
Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51BB), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto
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connloyalist
Joined: 22 Jul 2020 Posts: 221 Location: the Netherlands
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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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connloyalist wrote:
My Asahi Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 150mm f/4.0 arrived today. So far I have only taken some of my usua; test pictures but my first impression is "WOW". This lens and I are going to be good friends
Regards, C. |
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D1N0
Joined: 07 Aug 2012 Posts: 2483
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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D1N0 wrote:
Put it on today:
Yes so I am lying here. what of it? by The lens profile, on Flickr
Duck in the middlekeh by The lens profile, on Flickr _________________ pentaxian |
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connloyalist
Joined: 22 Jul 2020 Posts: 221 Location: the Netherlands
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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connloyalist wrote:
I did pick that lens up and am REALLY enjoying it. Superb lens. Out of pure curiosity ( ), can someone please compare the 5/5 version 150mm 4.0 with the M version 150mm 3.5? Judging by the diagrams on pentaxforums, while the optics are both 5/5, they are not the same.
Off topic: Yesterday I took delivery of an SMC Pentax-M 120mm 2.8 I was curious about the unusual focal length lens. Another winner in my book.
Regards, Christine |
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titrisol70
Joined: 14 Dec 2021 Posts: 144 Location: State of Denial
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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titrisol70 wrote:
Takumars are in general brilliant lenses, and the Super-Multi-Coated (S-M-C) raely dissapoint
S-M-C takumar have a mechanical linkage for the electro spotamitcs (ES) and the SP-F that allowed for open-light metering. This in 1971 was very cool.
You can see that these are M42x1 lenses and will fit in almost any other camera but they have a few parts in th rear which are different:
SMC-Lenses-Mechanism
1. Diaphragm pin (common to all M42x1 lenses)
2. Cam that passes aperture information to camera
3. Index point for the aperture system
4. Pin to prevent moving the Auto/Man lever
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D1N0
Joined: 07 Aug 2012 Posts: 2483
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2022 10:14 am Post subject: |
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D1N0 wrote:
All Pentax-m lenses up to 150mm are very nice. I don't like the 200mm very much. The Pentax-m* 300mm F4 is very good again.
The 120mm and 150mm are both very good lenses. It took me longest to find the 120mm at a reasonable price. Compared to the Takumar's they are shorter and lighter and in the case of the 150mm also a half stop brighter.
This is my super-takumar 150 version 2:
and this the Pentax-m 150 (taken years apart so not a direct comparison)
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