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APO-Telyt-R 180/3.4 vs. APO-Lanthar 180/4
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Which lens is the APO-Telyt-R 180/3.4?
Lens A) is APO-Telyt-R 180/3.4
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 38%  [ 5 ]
Lens B) is APO-Telyt-R 180/3.4
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 61%  [ 8 ]
Total Votes : 13



PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
@ no-x -- I meant that was MORE contrast in Lanthar output .. Telyt has some greenish 'haze' as noticed by other people too and this may be a reason why we can see highlights 'with some texture' ... it's also hard to say if this greenish texture (in highlights by Telyt) is exactly what we want to get ... whether we can call this as a BENEFIT:).

@ Vilhelm -- yes, send more pictures, of course..


PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2010 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
after I saw this samples... I like more the apo-lanthar 180 than leica apo-telyt-r 180.
apo-lanthar is for close focus. ok.
apo telyt-r is for infinity focus but I don't like the greenish cast..
Rolling Eyes
so if I would a 200mm lens, a bit better than my Jupiter-21M what can i buy ?
and you must consider that in general I use my Jupiter-21M for infinity focus.
excuse me ... but I am a bit pernickety...


PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2010 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
metallaro1980 wrote:
after I saw this samples... I like more the apo-lanthar 180 than leica apo-telyt-r 180.
apo-lanthar is for close focus. ok.
apo telyt-r is for infinity focus but I don't like the greenish cast..
Rolling Eyes
so if I would a 200mm lens, a bit better than my Jupiter-21M what can i buy ?
and you must consider that in general I use my Jupiter-21M for infinity focus.
excuse me ... but I am a bit pernickety...


Go for APO-TELYT, the greenish cast is most of the time unnoticeable and when shooting landscapes, maybe even desirable. In either case, you can easily fix it in PP. With TELYT it's much easier to get right focused shots at long distances and it's half stop faster.
And lastly, TELYT is much easier to get and is probably cheaper too. 3-5 on eBay every week and between 400€ and 500€ for good copy.
On the other side, you can get Lanthar in native mount. But I´m not sure, if the 4/180 was ever made with Canon EOS bayonet.
There is lot of other options. Tamron 2.5/180 ED IF, Pentax A* 200/2.8 ED, ultimate Pentax A* 200/4 Macro ED, Nikkor 2.8/180 ED. But, I don't have any experiences with those lenses and they will be (with exception of Tamron) probably much pricey than both APOs.
If you don´t mind LoCAs, the choices are almost infinite. Zeiss, Rollei, Pentax... Good and cheap is SMC Takumar 4/200, it's hell sharp wide open and has much better contrast than Jupiter.


PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2010 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
The Nikkor 180/2.8 ED AiS (a lens I've owned for 15 years and know well) is readily available and its price has fallen in the past 1-2 years. It can easily be found for less than €250/US$325 from sources in the US. Sharp and quite heavy, it demostrates lots of axial and lateral CA (the former gone by ~f/5.6; Nikon Capture now purports to eliminate axial CA but I haven't had any experience with the new software). The very inexpensive and surprisingly capable Nikkor 200/4 is another great and compact alternative to the CV180.
The CV 180 has become very scarce (see Vilhelm's production estimates) and I haven't seen one on eBay for some time [UPDATE: Vilhelm, of all people, is selling a new-in-box duplicate copy on eBay as of this writing]. The last time I can recall one at auction, it sold for about $1,100 in Nikon mount. If anyone is interested, Cameraquest in the US still has them new in Pentax mount for $900/€700. If memory serves, the 180 was made for Nikon, Pentax, M42 and maybe Contax/Yashica; Vilhelm is the authority on this. I don't believe EOS mount was one of them. Cosina's recent release of a new SL II version of the sought after 90/3.5 suggests to me that an updated 180 can't be too far off. Definitely worth the wait and superior in IQ to the other options mentioned especially if it's priced similar to the new SL II 90 (US$550).


PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
BRunner wrote:
Time for small update, close-focus resolution - something for pixel-peepers Wink
Please don´t compare corner sharpness. The corners might be slightly off, due to small differences in focusing and small tilt and shift effect when placing camera on tripod. All settings same, only lenses changed. ISO100, f5.6, 1/180 s, tripod, flash, shot with remote control and 3s mirror-up. Paper size is A4 (printed on ordinary laser printer, so lines over 15 are distorted already on paper), camera about 3m from paper. DNG file developed with same settings in RawTherapee, to get maximum resolution.

I think that both lenses easily outresolve 14MPx sensor of my camera. I don´t see any meaningful differences in sharpness. Again, APO-Lanthar is little bit more contrasty, APO-TELYT is little bit better corrected for CAs.

APO-Lanthar


APO-TELYT


i think ...the apo telyt-r is the best.


PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have owned the APO-Telyt, but did not keep it. It was designed for reconnaissance use, not general pictorial photography, and it shows. I have owned 4 different Leitz 180s, and this was one of them. The 180 f/4 Elmar-R is a much superior lens for general photography. The second version of the Elmarit (not the APO-Elmarit, which came later) is also a splendid lens, and I prefer either of them to the APO-Telyt.

Last edited by FluffPuppy on Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:55 pm; edited 2 times in total


PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
the apo telyt-r shows more details than apo-lanthar in the shot of audi (near the pneumatic)


PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
FluffPuppy wrote:
I have owned the APO-Telyt, but did not keep it. It was designed for reconnaissance use, not general pictorial photography, and it shows. I have owned 4 different Leitz 180s, and this was one of them. The 180 f/4 Elmar-R is a much superior lens for general photography. The second version of the Elmarit (not the APO-Elmarit, which came later) is also a splendid lens, and I prefer either of them to the APO-Telyt.


why do you prefer the 180 f/4 Elmar-R instead of the APO-Telyt ?

http://forum.mflenses.com/leica-apo-telyt-r-3-4-180mm-long-time-experience-t35576,start,15.html

I don't find nothing of ugly/terrible/disgusting in this shot: the http://www.abload.de/img/img_0915m7kr.jpg

Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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