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Gott23
Joined: 10 Dec 2018 Posts: 250
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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:58 am Post subject: Advice needed on mirrorless for MF lenses |
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Gott23 wrote:
Hi all,
I'm doing a bit of a restructuring of my kit and what I'm figuring is I may well dispose of one of my DSLR lenses, namely my wide angle as I've got the range in MF lenses and am about to invest in a quality wide angle lens in a similar vein..
However, the capital I'll release from the DSLR lense will allow me to invest in a mirrorless; if the price is right.
Can anyone make any recommendations with a maximum price of around £500? I don't mind second hand/refurb/last season and I can cope with 16-20MP.
Previous experience has included a lot of Canon DSLR experience and a lot of use of the Fuji X100t; so I'm minded to stick to either brand ideally.. |
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Sjak
Joined: 29 Sep 2017 Posts: 696
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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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Sjak wrote:
Canon and Fuji both have APSC mirrorless systems.
Fuji has a much nicer range of native lenses too, if this is important to you.
A used X-T1 falls well within your budget, and served me well during the past 2 years. |
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Gott23
Joined: 10 Dec 2018 Posts: 250
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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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Gott23 wrote:
Sjak wrote: |
Canon and Fuji both have APSC mirrorless systems.
Fuji has a much nicer range of native lenses too, if this is important to you.
A used X-T1 falls well within your budget, and served me well during the past 2 years. |
What's the high ISO like on them? I try to limit it to 800-1600 (3200 at a push) and ideally this is more to get something portable for street style stuff; what I'd use my x100t for normally. Figure to stick a small 28 or 35 on it ( presuming it's 1.6x crop factor).. |
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marcusBMG
Joined: 07 Dec 2012 Posts: 1301 Location: Conwy N Wales
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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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marcusBMG wrote:
A lot to be said for going full frame for vintage lens use. You could pick up a sony for not much more than your budget I think if you bide your time and take your chances with the auctions.
I am very satisfied with my samsung NX20 - for the low price I paid (<150£)! It's a good all rounder IMO, spec is good, EVF + magnification is good, fully articulated lcd is good, I have to use adobe dng converter before import into LR3 not so good, already getting noisy at 800asa not so good, buffer delays not so good, battery life not so good. Cheap adapters available for all the common legacy mounts, no firmware issues using legacy lenses, mount and go.
You could pick up a NX5 or NX10 for less than a hundred based on a quick browse. _________________ pentax ME super (retired)
Pentax K3-ii; pentax K-S2; Samsung NX 20; Lumix G1 + adapters;
Adaptall collection (proliferating!) inc 200-500mm 31A, 300mm f2.8, 400mm f4.
Primes: takumar 55mm; smc 28mm, 50mm; kino/komine 28mm f2's, helios 58mm, Tamron Nestar 400mm, novoflex 400mm, Vivitar 135mm close focus, 105mm macro; Jupiter 11A; CZJ 135mm.
A classic zoom or two: VS1 (komine), Kiron Zoomlock... |
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7776 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
Sony A6000, excellent camera and good ones are for sale in your price range. _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
I have loads of stuff that I have to get rid of, if you see me commenting about something I have got and you want one, ask me.
My Flickr https://www.flickr.com/photos/mudplugga/
My ipernity -
http://www.ipernity.com/home/294337 |
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jamaeolus
Joined: 19 Mar 2014 Posts: 2913 Location: Eugene
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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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jamaeolus wrote:
FF sony a7 24 MP might be had in that price range if you shop carefully.. _________________ photos are moments frozen in time |
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stevemark
Joined: 29 Apr 2011 Posts: 3751 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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stevemark wrote:
jamaeolus wrote: |
FF sony a7 24 MP might be had in that price range if you shop carefully.. |
Yes, definitely. I have a Sony A7 and the original Sony Vertical Grip VGC1EN to sell, both together for CHF 500.-- (about £390.--).
Contact me via PM if interested.
Stephan _________________ www.artaphot.ch |
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Sjak
Joined: 29 Sep 2017 Posts: 696
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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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Sjak wrote:
Gott23 wrote: |
What's the high ISO like on them? I try to limit it to 800-1600 (3200 at a push) and ideally this is more to get something portable for street style stuff; what I'd use my x100t for normally. Figure to stick a small 28 or 35 on it ( presuming it's 1.6x crop factor).. |
The X-T1 has the same sensor as the X100T, so you should feel right at home.
For club&pub-stuff I have no issues with ISO 6400 (but I'll convert to B&W usually)
The X-T1 has a pretty large EVF compared to most other cams in the sub-500-bracket. |
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Gerald
Joined: 25 Mar 2014 Posts: 1196 Location: Brazil
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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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Gerald wrote:
99% of MF lenses were designed to cover the 35mm format, also called "full-frame" nowadays. By using a crop sensor you will be throwing away a significant portion of the image produced by these lenses. I think you should buy an FF camera, especially since the price has dropped a lot in recent years. _________________ If raindrops were perfect lenses, the rainbow did not exist. |
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Gott23
Joined: 10 Dec 2018 Posts: 250
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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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Gott23 wrote:
Thanks for all the input! Well, in the end I've ended up opting for the A6000 as I think it fits the bill for street style stuff amazingly well and its just about the same size of the x100t even with the kit lens on it; which I decided to get as I figured I can leave with that on it when I want a P&S camera more than anything..
Despite having big hands, it actually felt quite solid in my hand with enough weight to it. Yet it is diminutive enough to throw in a non-camera bag.
I think full-frame mirrorless might be a bit too big for my needs; and also I shoot full-frame with my DSLR so if I want to do something serious, I do have that tool. Plus using the A6000 for a bit will give my main camera a bit of a rest.
One advantage though is that with the 1.6x crop it'll boost a 50mm to around 85ish, which is a nice reach for street stuff. I've got a Flektogon 20mm on order as well, so that'll be pretty close to 35mm.
Another selling point was the drive rate of the Sony, at 11fps with quite a large buffer it seems, so pleased with that.. Now just to figure out what the hell the rest of the menu options do! (And my M42 adapter arrives via Amazon Prime tomorrow.. ) |
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benadamx
Joined: 25 Feb 2019 Posts: 329
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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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benadamx wrote:
Gott23 wrote: |
Another selling point was the drive rate of the Sony, at 11fps with quite a large buffer it seems, so pleased with that.. Now just to figure out what the hell the rest of the menu options do! (And my M42 adapter arrives via Amazon Prime tomorrow.. ) |
the three most important options for shooting manual on an A6000:
https://www.quora.com/How-do-I-set-Sony-A6000-for-old-manual-lens |
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Gott23
Joined: 10 Dec 2018 Posts: 250
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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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Gott23 wrote:
benadamx wrote: |
Gott23 wrote: |
Another selling point was the drive rate of the Sony, at 11fps with quite a large buffer it seems, so pleased with that.. Now just to figure out what the hell the rest of the menu options do! (And my M42 adapter arrives via Amazon Prime tomorrow.. ) |
the three most important options for shooting manual on an A6000:
https://www.quora.com/How-do-I-set-Sony-A6000-for-old-manual-lens |
Sweet! I'd figured out the release w/o lens already... |
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Lightshow
Joined: 04 Nov 2011 Posts: 3669 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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Lightshow wrote:
My 2 most favored lenses on my NEX-7 was my OM 21/3.5 and my Leica M 28 Elmarit.
Followed closely by my Canon FD SSC 24/2.8, 50/1.4, 85/1.8
The OM 21 was my go-to lens for night shooting, the OM 50/1.4 was also nice for night shooting, coma was not a problem. _________________ A Manual Focus Junky...
One photographers junk lens is an artists favorite tool.
My lens list
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lightshow-photography/ |
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benadamx
Joined: 25 Feb 2019 Posts: 329
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Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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benadamx wrote:
Lightshow wrote: |
My 2 most favored lenses on my NEX-7 was my OM 21/3.5 and my Leica M 28 Elmarit.
Followed closely by my Canon FD SSC 24/2.8, 50/1.4, 85/1.8
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canon 85/1.8 SSC is low-key the best MF lens out of my current collection, and nobody talks about it.. produces amazing results on the A6000 |
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paulhofseth
Joined: 05 Mar 2011 Posts: 561 Location: Norway
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Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:40 pm Post subject: post festum |
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paulhofseth wrote:
Anyone pondering mirrorless should consider a camera with stabilization on the sensor rather than depending on stabilized lenses that need special and expensive adapters.
Camera body stabilization, plus optics that can be found at reasonable cost and connected with cheap adapters, will ensure that portrait, landscape, macro-lenses, ...whatever you fancy, will be easier to use even if the light is dim.
p. |
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Lightshow
Joined: 04 Nov 2011 Posts: 3669 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 6:05 am Post subject: Re: post festum |
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Lightshow wrote:
paulhofseth wrote: |
Anyone pondering mirrorless should consider a camera with stabilization on the sensor rather than depending on stabilized lenses that need special and expensive adapters.
Camera body stabilization, plus optics that can be found at reasonable cost and connected with cheap adapters, will ensure that portrait, landscape, macro-lenses, ...whatever you fancy, will be easier to use even if the light is dim.
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I don't depend on stabilization, I just do what photographers did for years prior to stabilization... A faster shutter speed, better technique, a tripod. _________________ A Manual Focus Junky...
One photographers junk lens is an artists favorite tool.
My lens list
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lightshow-photography/ |
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Gott23
Joined: 10 Dec 2018 Posts: 250
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Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:10 am Post subject: Re: post festum |
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Gott23 wrote:
Lightshow wrote: |
I don't depend on stabilization, I just do what photographers did for years prior to stabilization... A faster shutter speed, better technique, a tripod. |
This tbh...
That's one of the reasons I'm able to invest in a mirrorless this, I had figured that the Canon 16-24L f/4 IS I have is really not getting much use. The barrelling at 16mm is not an effect I'm eager to use in general and if I dispose of it I've got enough to cover the cost of the Sony, and put a bit towards a 20mm f/4 Flektogon ive got arriving Monday. A lens like that I'm more than likely to shoot on the full-frame and with a tripod etc to get the most out of it.
Another factor to perhaps consider is that it's a lot easier to "push/pull" digitally, so shooting a couple of stops out is perfectly feasible.
I was grounded by a headache yesterday but I'll get some shots put through the A6000 today. The only issue I've come across so far is that the zoom view cuts out very quickly, if not almost instantaneously, with an MF lens fitted to it. I'm using a K&F Concept adapter, and its happening with every lens I've put on it so far. Shoot without lens is set, I' ve got peaking on - it does help, and I'd already figured to move the zoom button to c1. Despite this, it still cuts out... anyone else come across similar? |
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tb_a
Joined: 26 Jan 2010 Posts: 3678 Location: Austria
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Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:37 am Post subject: Re: post festum |
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tb_a wrote:
Lightshow wrote: |
I don't depend on stabilization, I just do what photographers did for years prior to stabilization... A faster shutter speed, better technique, a tripod. |
I do it likewise. IBIS is always like a lottery. If you really want to have sharp pictures shooting without IBIS is IMHO the better option. _________________ Thomas Bernardy
Manual focus lenses mainly from Minolta, Pentax, Voigtlaender, Leitz, Topcon and from Russia (too many to be listed here). |
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Gott23
Joined: 10 Dec 2018 Posts: 250
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Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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Gott23 wrote:
OK, so I took it out for a little walk with a late version CZJ Tessar 50mm/f2.8 that I'd placed in the repair pile as I thought the aperture was screwed..turns out it likes to be treated rough; the optics and focus are mint though...
Initial impressions are good; though results were tempered by aperture on Tessar being temperamental - it got left wide open inadvertently a lot..
unprocessed:
Provia 100F emulator applied:
These are unprocessed other than half a stop of exposure, and desaturated
all around f/11-5.6 ish - when lens not taking the hump... |
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paulhofseth
Joined: 05 Mar 2011 Posts: 561 Location: Norway
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Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 12:19 pm Post subject: Tripod |
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paulhofseth wrote:
Agree that shutterspeed, tripod,beanbag or just a solid grip is excellent when available, but for longer focal lengths stabilization is a distinct advantage. If it lives inside the camera one is not limited to native lenses.
But of course, neither in-lens, in camera or a tripod can make your motive stand still and substitute for shutter speed and f-number.
p. |
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Sjak
Joined: 29 Sep 2017 Posts: 696
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Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:17 pm Post subject: Re: post festum |
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Sjak wrote:
Lightshow wrote: |
I don't depend on stabilization, I just do what photographers did for years prior to stabilization... A faster shutter speed, better technique, a tripod. |
tb_a wrote: |
I do it likewise. IBIS is always like a lottery. If you really want to have sharp pictures shooting without IBIS is IMHO the better option. |
IBIS can be useful for tele-stuff, but it's certainly not the be-all-end-all solution. This being said, it's much easier to shoot 200mm on my 2006 Pentaxes than on my 2015 Fuji.
However, I usually shoot near 50mm (ff eq) so subject motion is more of a concern (unless I intend to have it in the pic)
So overall, for me, in-camera or in-lens stabilization is not that important. I know that for many others, it is. Since the option is there, it is worth taking it into consideration.
PS - Thomas, I sent you a PM |
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Gardener
Joined: 22 Sep 2013 Posts: 950 Location: USA
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Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:29 pm Post subject: Re: post festum |
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Gardener wrote:
Lightshow wrote: |
I don't depend on stabilization.... |
I sometimes feel that the features like IBIS are something that people are latching on to bash this or that brand. FWIW, I have IBIS on my Oly and I kind of need it there for manual lenses because it does not have focus peaking, and I need a stable image on the screen. On my Canon, although I have 5 stabilized lenses, IS is off most of the time. |
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Sciolist
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Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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Sciolist wrote:
I thought image stabilisation was 'breath in and hold'. Have things moved on a bit? God, I need to catch up |
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Sjak
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Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 3:05 pm Post subject: Re: post festum |
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Sjak wrote:
Gardener wrote: |
I sometimes feel that the features like IBIS are something that people are latching on to bash this or that brand. FWIW, I have IBIS on my Oly and I kind of need it there for manual lenses because it does not have focus peaking, and I need a stable image on the screen. On my Canon, although I have 5 stabilized lenses, IS is off most of the time. |
And the funny thing is, this IBIS-bashing is something quite recent, although the feature has been around for how long now? 15 years or so? |
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tb_a
Joined: 26 Jan 2010 Posts: 3678 Location: Austria
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Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 3:44 pm Post subject: Re: post festum |
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tb_a wrote:
Gardener wrote: |
I sometimes feel that the features like IBIS are something that people are latching on to bash this or that brand. FWIW, I have IBIS on my Oly and I kind of need it there for manual lenses because it does not have focus peaking, and I need a stable image on the screen. On my Canon, although I have 5 stabilized lenses, IS is off most of the time. |
Sjak wrote: |
And the funny thing is, this IBIS-bashing is something quite recent, although the feature has been around for how long now? 15 years or so? |
Well, I wouldn't call it bashing from my side. More than 50% of my cameras are featuring IBIS and I've got some stabilized lenses as well.
It's simply out of my experience that slow shutter speeds are not always successful. In that respect, if you want to make sure that the image is sharp the more reliable option is a tripod.
However, sometimes it can be nice as well if no tripod is on hand. _________________ Thomas Bernardy
Manual focus lenses mainly from Minolta, Pentax, Voigtlaender, Leitz, Topcon and from Russia (too many to be listed here). |
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