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Spotmatic
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 Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 8:42 am Post subject: A pointless exercise: comparing several fast portrait teles |
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Spotmatic wrote:
This is NOT a test: I was gathering ideas for the ultimate test of portrait lenses and as I was snapping away I tried to photograph the same subjects. Everything was handheld and wide open. The focus point may be off, metering may be bad. No conclusions whatsoever can be made based on the series below 
Shot with my old Pentax *ist DS, in Av mode, auto WB, only converted from RAW to JPEG without further adjustments. Resized and sharpened with Absolute Sharpening.
OK, one conclusion that the A* 85/1.4 is a bit of a letdown. Way too much CA in my opinion, even stopped down.
1st subject:
2nd subject:
3rd subject:
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Orio
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| Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 9:00 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
A bit dark subjects maybe? At least on my monitor.
Anyway my preference goes to Pancolar (first place, superior clarity) and 1.9/85 Super-Takumar (second).
The Primoplan 1.9/75 might be good for soft focus portraits, but it would need more bright subjects for that .
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tobbsman
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| Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 9:03 am Post subject: |
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tobbsman wrote:
Thanks for this work Peter, great post.
I like the Pancolar very much here and the Tak 85/1.8. And good that you brought the FA 77 in here, it's on my wishlist very on top 
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eeyore_nl
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| Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 9:46 am Post subject: |
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eeyore_nl wrote:
FA77 and the Super-Tak are my favorites! |
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koji
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| Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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koji wrote:
Very interesting,,,
From those (ceramic) mask shots I cannot see big differences, but from
the first set I like Pancolar best, FA77 is very sharp (probably sharper
than anyone else) but the image seems lifeless IMHO.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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trifox wrote:
FA77 -- the winner... no doubts..
Others are behind this lens -- incl. Pancolar.. 
that's my view..
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ryan s
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ryan s wrote:
I like the 77Ltd and Tak 85/1.9 best
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Spotmatic
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| Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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Spotmatic wrote:
Finally also some portraits with two of the lenses mentioned above...
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patrickh wrote:
Peter
You have some lovely lenses and you always show them off so well
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| Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 7:50 am Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
great portraits!
better skin color with pancolar, the 1.9 seems better in this series |
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| Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 7:55 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Great portraits !!
The Pancolar is the clear winner in the portraits. There is not even competition in my point of view. The difference between the lenses is huge. With the Pancolar, all details are crisp and clear, and the focused areas pop out. With the Pentax, the texture of the photo is more flat (sometimes even looking muddy), and the focused area do not pop out as they should.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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Spotmatic wrote:
Maybe the SMC Pentax-A* 85mm f/1.4 isn't so bad after all
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Orio
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| Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
VERY GOOD !!
Snappy, contrasty, nice OOF, I like it much.
No sign of CA in these samples.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
 Nothing can beat Pancolar
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| Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
Great shots!
Actually, each of these lenses does the job well.
But I also would say that the 77 and the 1.9/85 are my favs in the first set.
The Pancolar is very good but I don't see it as the clear winner.
I have shot with a Pancolar and was completely amazed by it.
But I have to say that the 77 has its excellent reputation not without a cause!
Need to have a second look at your fine shots in order to come to a conclusion.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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Olivier wrote:
I agree for the FA 77.
It would be nice to have some portraits taken with it, here.
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Spotmatic
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| Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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Spotmatic wrote:
Now that I've received the 83mm f/1.9 Takumar I thought it should be interesting to perform another wide-open test.
It's bad weather and dark outside, so I have again made some wide-open shots (the A* was stopped down to f/1.8 because otherwise the DOF would be super thin and not comparable with the other lenses). Pentax K-7 on tripod; focusing was done through magnified Live View on the green applique. Shot in RAW; the white balance of the SMC Pentax-A* was applied to the other shots. So if the lenses have a color cast you should be able to see it. Or so I hope
If I'm doing things right, please let me know. If I'm doing things wrong then please also let me know.
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Orio
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| Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
What I liked most in this series: Pentax-A 1.4/85
What I liked less: Komura
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tobbsman
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| Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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tobbsman wrote:
interesting again, thanks peter.
I think I have to look later again, I can't make any judgements at the moment. So similar but still so different samples ...
Cheers
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poilu
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| Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
cannot differentiate them with this sample
based on clarity first pancolar then s-m-c 85 1.8 |
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