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ForenSeil
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 Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 11:40 pm Post subject: A little comparision between some cheap ~50mm lenses |
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ForenSeil wrote:
Here are some shots, all wide open
Minolta MD Rokkor F1.4 50mm with 55 filter screw mount
Minolta MD Rokkor F1.4 50mm with 49 filter screw mount
Minolta MD F2 50mm
Slightly warmer colors and better acutance and than the F1.4
Tarcus TV-Lens 50mm F1.3 CAs and vignetting (it's a C-Mount lens) wide open. The performance improves a lot when stopped down to F2 or above but never stays the worst lens in this test
Industar-61 F2.8 52mm
Has a flaring/glowing problem (maybe partially due a very slight coating damage from a single water drop)
Industar-26m Red P F2.8 50mm
Lower flaring problem, better contrast (better coatings) but not as sharp as Industar-61 from above
Carl Zeiss Jena Tessar T F2.8 50mm
Sharp, colors are slightly colder, I don't like the bokeh for color photos.
Auto-Revuenon F1.7 55mm (made by Chinon)
Can't see anything special.
Helios 44-2 F2 58mm Sharp, cheap, special bokeh, no major flawas, everyone here should have one.
Zenitar M2s F2 50mm Slightly better contrast, flaring, sharpness and colors than Helios 44-2...
All lenses
I got all lenses for 5-40€
Conclusion:
MD 50/2 is clearly the best for my taste.
Now I'm going to sell every lens except one of the Minolta F1.4 , Minolta 50/2 and the the Helios 44-2
The MD 50/2 for IQ, the MD 50/1.4 for speed and Helios 44-2 for swirly bokeh!
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My camera: Sony A7+Zeiss Sonnar 55/1.8
Current favourite lenses (I have many more):
A few macro-Tominons, Samyang 12/2.8, Noritsu 50.7/9.5, Rodagon 105/5.6 on bellows, Samyang 135/2, Nikon ED 180/2.8, Leitz Elmar-R 250/4, Celestron C8 2000mm F10
Most wanted: Samyang 24/1.4, Samyang 35/1.4, Nikon 200/2 ED
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ManualFocus-G
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| Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Nice test, the first Minoltas do very well indeed for an f1.4 lens wide open Great to the see the classic Helios still performing well too!
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FluffPuppy
Joined: 11 Dec 2011
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| Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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FluffPuppy wrote:
To my eyes the first Minolta 1.4 looks better than the second. |
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ForenSeil
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 12:00 am Post subject: |
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ForenSeil wrote:
| FluffPuppy wrote: |
| To my eyes the first Minolta 1.4 looks better than the second. |
Good eyes I didn't see it on my 13" monitor before you said that
I will check tomorrow if it's my fault (camera shaking, fingerprint on the lens, focus etc.) or a real reproducable difference between the lenses
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I'm not a collector, I'm a tester
My camera: Sony A7+Zeiss Sonnar 55/1.8
Current favourite lenses (I have many more):
A few macro-Tominons, Samyang 12/2.8, Noritsu 50.7/9.5, Rodagon 105/5.6 on bellows, Samyang 135/2, Nikon ED 180/2.8, Leitz Elmar-R 250/4, Celestron C8 2000mm F10
Most wanted: Samyang 24/1.4, Samyang 35/1.4, Nikon 200/2 ED
My Blog: http://picturechemistry.own-blog.com/
(German language)
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revers
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 12:01 am Post subject: |
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revers wrote:
| FluffPuppy wrote: |
| To my eyes the first Minolta 1.4 looks better than the second. |
I agree!
Look @ the name on the bottle of Remy Martin on the left. However it may just be a variation in focus.
I have the second, 49mm filter version.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 12:02 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
My preference goes to #3, Minolta MD F2 50mm Pancake .
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FluffPuppy
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 12:24 am Post subject: |
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FluffPuppy wrote:
candles flicker, so I would not use them in such a test. |
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Smoli4
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:52 am Post subject: |
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Smoli4 wrote:
i bet you will leave the 55mm threaded minolta |
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Keysersoze27
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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Keysersoze27 wrote:
Very nice comparative test .
I would prefer them to have been used at the same aperture @f2.8 so that the comparison can be easier.
My preference goes to the Industar-61 F2.8 52mm .
Nice bokeh and potentially higher contrast and hence sharper with an intact coating !!!
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bogolisk
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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bogolisk wrote:
| Orio wrote: |
| My preference goes to #3, Minolta MD F2 50mm Pancake . |
+1
This lens is (used to be?) dirt cheap. I got mine for $5 or something like that.
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Olivier
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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Olivier wrote:
That's strange...
after looking at all these bottles comparative tests, I can't see any particurlarly sharp... hips... 
More seriously, Tessar for me. 
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ForenSeil
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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ForenSeil wrote:
| FluffPuppy wrote: |
| candles flicker, so I would not use them in such a test. |
They are very good to make CAs (look at pic #4) visible and they show some flaring/contrast issues
Here's the promised second test of the Minolta MD 50mm F1.4
Minolta 55mm version
Minolta 49mm version
This time focused correctly with 14x digital loupe of the NEX, used 1/100s, 2s self-timer on a tripod and M-mode.
The issue with the Remy Martin stays visible so I think this is product quality spreading or the 55mm version has very slightly improved IQ
Both lenses are in good condition
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I'm not a collector, I'm a tester
My camera: Sony A7+Zeiss Sonnar 55/1.8
Current favourite lenses (I have many more):
A few macro-Tominons, Samyang 12/2.8, Noritsu 50.7/9.5, Rodagon 105/5.6 on bellows, Samyang 135/2, Nikon ED 180/2.8, Leitz Elmar-R 250/4, Celestron C8 2000mm F10
Most wanted: Samyang 24/1.4, Samyang 35/1.4, Nikon 200/2 ED
My Blog: http://picturechemistry.own-blog.com/
(German language)
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FluffPuppy
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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FluffPuppy wrote:
| ForenSeil wrote: |
| FluffPuppy wrote: |
| candles flicker, so I would not use them in such a test. |
They are very good to make CAs (look at pic #4) visible and they show some flaring/contrast issues (see Industar 61 with damaged coating vs Industar 26m with intact coating or Helios 44-2 vs newer replacement Zenitar M2s) |
But you should use constant light sources, not variable ones, to accomplish this. |
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Excalibur
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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Excalibur wrote:
| Orio wrote: |
| My preference goes to #3, Minolta MD F2 50mm Pancake . |
Yep I'd agree with that on my monitor.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:52 am Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
Beautiful setting and test. I stay undecided and enjoy observing the differences in characters.
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FluffPuppy
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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FluffPuppy wrote:
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| Beautiful setting and test. I stay undecided and enjoy observing the differences in characters. |
The 55mm version seems clearly superior to me. |
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