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noddywithoutbigears
Joined: 13 Jan 2010 Posts: 215 Location: Leek, Staffordshire
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Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 12:36 pm Post subject: 50-60mm M42 Recommendation |
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noddywithoutbigears wrote:
Hi All
I’m looking for a nifty fifty in M42 but I have a few requirements,it must be good wide open and across the frame, not bothered about it being fast. I only carry a few lenses, Tak 85mm and Samyang 21mm so want one to slot in the middle and budget around £150. I travel light so don’t want to carry loads of adapters for my Fuji, hence M42.
Right then over to you guys _________________ Sony A7
Super Takumar 55mm F18, Helios 44-2 58mm f2, Super Takumar 85mm f1.9, Pentacon 50mm f1.8, Zenitar 16mm f2.8 Fisheye, Carl Zeiss Vario Prakticar 35-70mm f2.7-3.5. Carl Zeiss Prakticar 35mm f2.4 |
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blotafton
Joined: 08 Aug 2013 Posts: 1534 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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blotafton wrote:
You can't go wrong with a Voigtländer color ultron 50mm 1.8. |
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 10463 Location: California
Expire: 2021-06-22
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Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
M42 Super-Multi-Coated or SMC TAKUMAR 50/1.4 _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony A7Rii, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Lenses:
Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200
Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300
Macro-Takumar 1:4/50
Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm
Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element),
Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17
Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500
Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100
Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100
SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
Other lenses:
Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51BB), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto
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papasito
Joined: 09 Jan 2015 Posts: 1658
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Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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papasito wrote:
Any 55/1,8 lens (Takumar, Mamiya, Ricoh, Cosinon, dtc)
Helios 44 with M39 to M42 adapter
My option?
Mamiya SX 55/1,8 |
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jamaeolus
Joined: 19 Mar 2014 Posts: 2913 Location: Eugene
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Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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jamaeolus wrote:
Fuji ebc 50mm 1.4, ricoh rikenon 55mm, 1.4, CZJ pancolar 50mm 1.8 or f2, schneider xenon 50mm 1.9 etc etc etc _________________ photos are moments frozen in time |
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 10463 Location: California
Expire: 2021-06-22
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Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
Actually 28mm -35mm is closer to the middle imho. Try the M42 S-M-C TAKUMARS. _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony A7Rii, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Lenses:
Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200
Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300
Macro-Takumar 1:4/50
Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm
Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element),
Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17
Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500
Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100
Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100
SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
Other lenses:
Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51BB), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto
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noddywithoutbigears
Joined: 13 Jan 2010 Posts: 215 Location: Leek, Staffordshire
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Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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noddywithoutbigears wrote:
Thanks for your recommendations guys, being an ex Pentax user I am leaning towards another Tak but I’m also up for trying something different, the Voightlander is under serious consideration.
I do have a 35mm Tak but I prefer a 55mm for portraits, hence 50-60mm tag. _________________ Sony A7
Super Takumar 55mm F18, Helios 44-2 58mm f2, Super Takumar 85mm f1.9, Pentacon 50mm f1.8, Zenitar 16mm f2.8 Fisheye, Carl Zeiss Vario Prakticar 35-70mm f2.7-3.5. Carl Zeiss Prakticar 35mm f2.4 |
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aidaho
Joined: 29 Apr 2018 Posts: 456 Location: Ukraine
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Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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aidaho wrote:
I believe it's a lot easier to list bad or mediocre fifties than to do the same with good ones.
Pick whatever you like/suits your current system. Chances are it'll work just fine. _________________ https://www.flickr.com/photos/curry-hexagon/ |
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kiddo
Joined: 29 Jun 2018 Posts: 1101
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Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 10:37 am Post subject: |
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kiddo wrote:
Would be interested to know what lens could compete with modern sony 55 1.8 WO.... |
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D1N0
Joined: 07 Aug 2012 Posts: 2483
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Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 10:44 am Post subject: |
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D1N0 wrote:
The only 50 I have that can compete with my S-M-C Takumar 50mm 1.4 is the KMZ Zenitar-m 50mm 1.7 Russian Ultron design. (Of course My SMC Pentax-A 50mm 1.4 can also compete, since it is the same lens design as the Takumar but with more modern SMC-coatings). _________________ pentaxian |
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kiddo
Joined: 29 Jun 2018 Posts: 1101
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Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 10:47 am Post subject: |
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kiddo wrote:
kiddo wrote: |
Would be interested to know what lens could compete with modern sony 55 1.8 WO.... |
I mean,vintage manual lens,of course |
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Oldhand
Joined: 01 Apr 2013 Posts: 6006 Location: Mid North Coast NSW - Australia
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Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 11:27 am Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
Zenitar - M 50mm f1.7.
Very sharp from widest aperture and with beautiful bokeh.
Tom
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blotafton
Joined: 08 Aug 2013 Posts: 1534 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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blotafton wrote:
I have a Super Multicoated Takumar 50mm 1.4 and have found it to have a lot of glow wide open. It's a bit difficult to focus because of that. I wouldn't use it at 1.4 if I didn't want that specific effect. |
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D1N0
Joined: 07 Aug 2012 Posts: 2483
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Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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D1N0 wrote:
blotafton wrote: |
I have a Super Multicoated Takumar 50mm 1.4 and have found it to have a lot of glow wide open. It's a bit difficult to focus because of that. I wouldn't use it at 1.4 if I didn't want that specific effect. |
That is exactly why I like it for portraits. _________________ pentaxian |
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Blazer0ne
Joined: 12 Sep 2018 Posts: 836
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Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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KEO
Joined: 27 Sep 2018 Posts: 756 Location: USA
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Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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KEO wrote:
For £150 you could get an old CZJ Biotar 58, which is an awesome lens, although I'm not sure about corner-to-corner sharpness wide open. It's hard to imagine anyone being disappointed with a properly-functioning Biotar.
The Auto Chinon 55 1.7 is cheap and a great performer.
The Auto Rikenon or Auto Sears 55 1.4 are more expensive, but excellent. They're Tomioka-made.
The Takumars people have suggested are certainly nice. I've got several of those and I like them all.
The old Auto Yashinon 5cm f/2 is another Tomioka lens and it lives up to it's high reputation. It's sharp wide open with beautiful, slightly-swirly bokeh. You might have to hunt to get one at a good price, but it can be done.
Does radioactivity matter to you? |
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noddywithoutbigears
Joined: 13 Jan 2010 Posts: 215 Location: Leek, Staffordshire
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Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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noddywithoutbigears wrote:
KEO wrote: |
For £150 you could get an old CZJ Biotar 58, which is an awesome lens, although I'm not sure about corner-to-corner sharpness wide open. It's hard to imagine anyone being disappointed with a properly-functioning Biotar.
The Auto Chinon 55 1.7 is cheap and a great performer.
The Auto Rikenon or Auto Sears 55 1.4 are more expensive, but excellent. They're Tomioka-made.
The Takumars people have suggested are certainly nice. I've got several of those and I like them all.
The old Auto Yashinon 5cm f/2 is another Tomioka lens and it lives up to it's high reputation. It's sharp wide open with beautiful, slightly-swirly bokeh. You might have to hunt to get one at a good price, but it can be done.
Does radioactivity matter to you? |
I’d forgot about the Chinon having had one in PK mount and loved it, food for thought.
Not sure about the Biotar, I’ll have to research that one. I do have a Helios 44-2 but it’s not great wo corner to corner but that could just be my copy.
And no not bothered about radioactivity.
Finally thank you for your recommendations. _________________ Sony A7
Super Takumar 55mm F18, Helios 44-2 58mm f2, Super Takumar 85mm f1.9, Pentacon 50mm f1.8, Zenitar 16mm f2.8 Fisheye, Carl Zeiss Vario Prakticar 35-70mm f2.7-3.5. Carl Zeiss Prakticar 35mm f2.4 |
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KEO
Joined: 27 Sep 2018 Posts: 756 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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KEO wrote:
noddywithoutbigears wrote: |
Not sure about the Biotar, I’ll have to research that one. I do have a Helios 44-2 but it’s not great wo corner to corner but that could just be my copy. |
You're welcome.
The Helios-44 lenses are not the same as the Biotar, despite being "copies." I have two Helios-44s, an old silver one and a newer 44M-4, and while I like them (especially the old one), they're not in the same class with the Biotar. Apart from that, the images they produce have substantially different character from the Biotar.
There are a lot of good choices in the range of focal lengths you're looking at. Another really cheap, excellent performer is the Cosina 50mm Auto Cosinon f/1.8. It has swirly bokeh like a Helios-44-2 if you appreciate that sort of thing, but it's sharper. |
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kiddo
Joined: 29 Jun 2018 Posts: 1101
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Posted: Wed May 29, 2019 4:47 am Post subject: |
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kiddo wrote:
Some people were saying ,the Nikkor 50 f2 was one of the sharpest out there,better then the 1.8 version. I've never made a test, so I cannot assure you,in fact ,for portraits I find most of my lenses good enough. |
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stevemark
Joined: 29 Apr 2011 Posts: 3751 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Wed May 29, 2019 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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stevemark wrote:
kiddo wrote: |
Some people were saying ,the Nikkor 50 f2 was one of the sharpest out there,better then the 1.8 version. |
No, that's not true. But the 50mm 1:2 Nikkor has a nice rendering at f2 - a rather low contrast and not too much differences between center and corner. Distortion (about 2%) is quite bit more visible as well; the f1.8 has just about 0.1%!
Stephan _________________ www.artaphot.ch |
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