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Sjak
Joined: 29 Sep 2017 Posts: 696
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Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:49 am Post subject: 40-50m LM or LTM-lens with very good flare resistance |
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Sjak wrote:
Hi everybody, for some stage work, I'm looking for a 40-50mm lens with excellent flare resistance characteristics. In particular in situations with strong stagelights in or near the frame, which are very challenging for many of the lenses I use. Will be used on my Monochrom.
Some lenses I'm researching now are the Voigtlander 1.2/40, 1.2/50, 1.5/50 and the Summilux-M 50 ASPH. In particular, the CV1.2/50 seems promising.
Do you have experience with some of these lenses? Or other recommendations that I might have a look at?
Some other preferences:
* f/2.0 or preferably faster
* budget-wise, below approx. 2000 euro (buying used is OK)
* Flare wide-open is OK, as long as stopping down reduces it very significantly.
* A compact size/weight is a definite plus.
* 40&50mm have my preference, but I could adapt to a neat compact 35mm if it has other advantages.
* Although I really like Leica-lenses, no objection against 3rd party
* A classic rendering would help getting a more consistent look with the rest of my images, but maybe that's asking too much
* Min. focus distance of less than 1m |
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9097 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
I propose the Canon Serenar 50mm f/1.8. I've mostly used this lens with B&W, but I've shot color with it also and flare has never been an issue with my lens. It is a surprisingly sharp lens with good contrast. Mine is an early chrome Serenar. I don't know if the later black and chrome ones are the same formula or not. This is one of a few LTM lenses you can find that can still be purchased for a reasonable sum.
I would also recommend the Leitz 50mm f/3.5 Elmar, but it's too slow for your requirements. Too bad, it's an amazing lens with great resolution and contrast. _________________ Michael
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Sjak
Joined: 29 Sep 2017 Posts: 696
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Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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Sjak wrote:
Thanks Michael, it's a lens I never would have thought of!
Re. the Elmar, I'll get one anyway, but it's a lens I'm really picky about, so it should be a cheap nickel version in good condition. I'm sure they're out there, somewhere |
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Oldhand
Joined: 01 Apr 2013 Posts: 6006 Location: Mid North Coast NSW - Australia
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Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
Yes,Canon Serenar is a good choice and you should find it easily for much less than your budget.
Cheers
Tom
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Sjak
Joined: 29 Sep 2017 Posts: 696
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Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:57 am Post subject: |
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Sjak wrote:
Hi Tom, nice image and a rendering I like!
But this seems to show a lot of flare in the upper left quarter of the image, which I am trying to avoid... Or am I mistaken and is it a result of processing? |
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Oldhand
Joined: 01 Apr 2013 Posts: 6006 Location: Mid North Coast NSW - Australia
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Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
Sjak wrote: |
Hi Tom, nice image and a rendering I like!
But this seems to show a lot of flare in the upper left quarter of the image, which I am trying to avoid... Or am I mistaken and is it a result of processing? |
Yes it is the sun
Tom |
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newst
Joined: 21 Oct 2014 Posts: 617 Location: Troy, MI USA
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Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2019 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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newst wrote:
Two separate thoughts
recommended lens, Topcor Topcon S 50mm f/2.0 LTM. It is a fine Biotar design lens.
The later versions of the Canon LTM 1.8/50 are optically identical to the Serenar version. _________________ Steve
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Sjak
Joined: 29 Sep 2017 Posts: 696
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Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2019 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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Sjak wrote:
Oldhand wrote: |
Yes it is the sun
Tom |
Thanks for clarifying!
In that case, my 1986 Jupiter-8 (with newer coatings than the older ones) is of (at least) similar performance with regard to flare. In other respects the Canon LTM range has some very very nice lenses though (such as this 1.8/50) so it was good to be reminded of them anyway |
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Macca
Joined: 20 Mar 2012 Posts: 248 Location: Glasgow, Scotland.
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Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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Macca wrote:
A sample with the sun in shot from the mentioned Topcor S 50mm f2 LTM
DSC00040.jpg by Macca h, on Flickr
and a gig shot with lighting from the Minolta M rokkor 40mm f2, I`ve more if you need a look.
DSC03965.jpg by Macca h, on Flickr
hope it helps. _________________ Sony A7iii.
CZ Distagon 15mm 2.8,Loxia 25mm 2.4,RE Auto Topcor 35mm 2.8,Contax Zeiss 35mm1.4,Minolta M Rokkor 40mm f2, Jupiter 3 50mm 1.5, Kuribayashi CC Petri Orikkor 50mm 2,Topcor S 50mm f2,Topcor RE GN 50mm 1.8,RE Auto Topcor 58mm 1.4, Helios 44m 2,Steinheil Munchen Auto Quinon 55m 1.9,Olympus auto g zuiko 60mm f1.5 ,KMZ PO2-2M 75mm F2,Jupiter 9 85mm f2(Arsenal Kiev),RE Auto Topcor 85mm 1.8,Leica Elmarit 90mm 2.8 R, RE Auto Topcor 100mm 2.8,Meyer Orestor 100mm 2.8,,F.B.R.105mm 2.4, RE Auto Topcor 135mm 3.5,Leica Elmarit R 135mm 2.8,Steinheil Munchen Quinar VL 135mm 2.8,Contax Zeiss 100-300mm 4.5-5.6, Vernon Edonar 350mm 5.5 |
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Sjak
Joined: 29 Sep 2017 Posts: 696
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Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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Sjak wrote:
Thanks, the Minolta is a valid option. I have the near-identical Summicron-C, but later versions of the Rokkor have improved coatings. And 40.5mm thread size, which matches most of my other lenses.
Will look more into the Topcor too, never heard of this one before but looks promising |
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9097 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
I've been looking for some photos I took with my old Canon LTM 50mm f/1.8 and I finally found them. I was using my Canon DSLR with an adapter, so my range of focus was mere inches, but it was enough for this shot, which ended up being a macro of sorts. Still, it shows just how sharp these old Canon LTM 50s can be.
Here's the basic photo. Acorns.
But one of them had a visitor of sorts. This is a 100% crop, showing what has to be the tiniest beetle I've ever seen.
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fiftyonepointsix
Joined: 30 Apr 2017 Posts: 292
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Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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fiftyonepointsix wrote:
newst wrote: |
The later versions of the Canon LTM 1.8/50 are optically identical to the Serenar version. |
The later Black versions of the LTM Canon 50/1.8 are reformulated using newer high-index of refraction/low-dispersion glass. Unfortunately, this glass has a tendency for damage (etched glass) when exposed to the lubricants used in the lens. Be sure to check the glass for fog/damaged coatings/etched glass- which produce a lot of flare. |
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tb_a
Joined: 26 Jan 2010 Posts: 3678 Location: Austria
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Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:03 am Post subject: |
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tb_a wrote:
I'm quite happy with my CV 40/1.4 which seems to comply with your criteria.
Here is an example shot from my A7R II where you see the sun (slightly outside the frame) reflecting in a lake. No flare or other problems, still quite contrasty.
_________________ Thomas Bernardy
Manual focus lenses mainly from Minolta, Pentax, Voigtlaender, Leitz, Topcon and from Russia (too many to be listed here). |
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Sjak
Joined: 29 Sep 2017 Posts: 696
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Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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Sjak wrote:
tb_a wrote: |
I'm quite happy with my CV 40/1.4 which seems to comply with your criteria. |
Thanks! As it happens, I got a 1.4/40 for cheap as Voigtlander Nokton was mis-spelled. I'll give it a try when it's here; should I not like it, I can safely re-sell it without loss. A short focus throw + focusing tab is really helpful for stage work.
The reports of focus shift are all over the place, some users not finding any, and others complaining not being able to focus once stopped down... Then again, the Jupiter-3 is also supposed to have focus shift, but I could not establish any on my copy, at least not at shooting distances of 1m, 1.8m and 3m.
And if I like the CV 1.4/40, I could sell my Summicron-C 40mm as that will become pretty redundant. |
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Sjak
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Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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Sjak wrote:
Update on this one: the 1.4/40 Nokton MC arrived. I've used it on 2 test-occasions, and at a concert. I'm not too impressed with the mechanical quality; it's certainly nowhere near the Leica-level build that some attribute to this lens. However, I like the ergonomics: the short focus throw + focusing tab is very useful for shooting people in the wild. And I am pleased with the results.
The flare-resistance is actually quite a step up compared to my Jupiter-3 and also from my Summicron-C.
Actual concert-shots (the purpose for buying this lens) can be seen here: http://forum.mflenses.com/krisiun-club-concert-with-1-4-40-nokton-t80869.html
Thanks all for your input! |
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Teemō
Joined: 07 Apr 2016 Posts: 586 Location: Australia
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Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:45 am Post subject: |
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Teemō wrote:
I found my Minolta Super Rokkor 5cm F1.8 to be quite flare resistant - certainly moreso than the 55/58mm MC Minolta lenses from later on. The modern CV lenses though, probably fare much, much better, even something like the 50/1.5. |
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