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Lordcamel
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Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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Lordcamel wrote:
Is Zeiss 50 1.7 considered a good performer for "3d effect ?"
I'm testing lots of 50 mm lens to see which one suits me best and I need to test one Zeiss lens, and this one seems tack sharp, got the zeiss look, hope it has the zeiss 3d too |
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poilu
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Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
Lordcamel wrote: |
Is Zeiss 50 1.7 considered a good performer for "3d effect ?" |
http://forum.mflenses.com/contax-501-7-wo-5dii-t28244.html _________________ T* |
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Lordcamel
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 9:26 am Post subject: |
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Lordcamel wrote:
Guess the answer is Yes ! |
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 9:36 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Remember, you need a series of other factors, not just the lens. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Lordcamel
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 9:41 am Post subject: |
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Lordcamel wrote:
Ofc , just looking for cheap lenses that can contribute to getting this 3d effect |
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poilu
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 9:50 am Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
Orio wrote: |
Remember, you need a series of other factors, not just the lens. |
+1, you need a 30:f1.2 on aps-c and a 25:f0.85 on m4:3 to make those pics _________________ T* |
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Lordcamel
Joined: 10 Jul 2011 Posts: 70
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 9:56 am Post subject: |
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Lordcamel wrote:
poilu wrote: |
Orio wrote: |
Remember, you need a series of other factors, not just the lens. |
+1, you need a 30:f1.2 on aps-c and a 25:f0.85 on m4:3 to make those pics |
I don't think I understood your statement very well ..
3d shots don't need 1.2 or 0.85 aperture ... nor a 50 mm equivalent lens |
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poilu
Joined: 26 Aug 2007 Posts: 10471 Location: Greece
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 10:09 am Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
Lordcamel wrote: |
poilu wrote: |
Orio wrote: |
Remember, you need a series of other factors, not just the lens. |
+1, you need a 30:f1.2 on aps-c and a 25:f0.85 on m4:3 to make those pics |
I don't think I understood your statement very well ..
3d shots don't need 1.2 or 0.85 aperture ... nor a 50 mm equivalent lens |
I mean to make the same pics as in the 50:1.7 thread
while it is not necessary to use wide open to produce 3D look, using f8 on a p&s is the best way to kill 3D
check faq for crop to find conversions rules _________________ T* |
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Lordcamel
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 10:17 am Post subject: |
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Lordcamel wrote:
I really don't see your point sorry I 'm missing something |
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poilu
Joined: 26 Aug 2007 Posts: 10471 Location: Greece
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 10:33 am Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
Lordcamel wrote: |
I really don't see your point sorry I 'm missing something |
mon commentaire souligne l'importance du senseur dans la tridimensionnalité d'une image
mes images avec le 50:1.7 offre une atmosphère qui nécessiterait un 30:f1.2 sous aps-c et un 25:f0.85 sous m4:3 pour être reproduite
vu que tu utilise un D700, format 35mm, ce commentaire n’était pas adressé a toi mais plutôt un avertissement général _________________ T* |
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Lordcamel
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 10:35 am Post subject: |
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Lordcamel wrote:
Ok |
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vito88
Joined: 07 Aug 2011 Posts: 10
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Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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vito88 wrote:
Can I call this one 3D effect too ...?
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mastazeko
Joined: 14 Mar 2011 Posts: 128 Location: Domžale, Slovenia
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Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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mastazeko wrote:
vito88 wrote: |
Can I call this one 3D effect too ...?
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Quoted so we can see picture _________________ Bostjan
Camera: Nikon D7000
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Nikon: 24/2.8, Series-E 28/2.8, 50/1.4 AI, 80-200/4.5 AI
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vito88
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Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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vito88 wrote:
mastazeko wrote: |
vito88 wrote: |
Can I call this one 3D effect too ...?
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Quoted so we can see picture |
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meermike
Joined: 01 Oct 2011 Posts: 4 Location: Emden in Germany
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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 7:52 pm Post subject: a 3D-Effect with lenses are impossible .. |
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meermike wrote:
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mastazeko
Joined: 14 Mar 2011 Posts: 128 Location: Domžale, Slovenia
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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 8:08 pm Post subject: Re: a 3D-Effect with lenses are impossible .. |
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mastazeko wrote:
meermike wrote: |
because lenses create a wrong blurring. A lens focused with "one eye" and a person focused with two eyes and thats a very important difference. Try it out by yourself and look at the different background, if you focusing an object with one and with two eyes !.
If you wish to create a better 3D-Effect you have to do many manually editing-steps with a full-sharp (!!) picture.
I have done many experiments with pictures and these are the results.
There are not only blurring-effects, but colour contrasts, bright-dark-contrasts and many more ..
Sorry for my bad english ..
For more examples please visit my homepage
Greetz Michael
www.3D-Fotos.de |
Quoted so we can see pictures. Anti-spam measure _________________ Bostjan
Camera: Nikon D7000
Lenses:
Nikon: 24/2.8, Series-E 28/2.8, 50/1.4 AI, 80-200/4.5 AI
Helios:81H 50/2
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meermike
Joined: 01 Oct 2011 Posts: 4 Location: Emden in Germany
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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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meermike wrote:
Lenses generally creates a wrong blurring. A lens focused with "one eye" and a human person focused with two eyes and thats a very important difference. Try it out by yourself and look at the different background, if you focusing an object with one and with two eyes !.
If you wish to create a better 3D-Effect you have to do many manually editing-steps with a full-sharp (!!) picture.
I have done many experiments with pictures in the last 2 Years and these are the results.
There are not only blurring-effects, but colour contrasts, bright-dark-contrasts and many more ..
Sorry for my bad english ..
For more examples please visit my homepage
Greetz Michael
www.3D-Fotos.de |
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mastazeko
Joined: 14 Mar 2011 Posts: 128 Location: Domžale, Slovenia
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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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mastazeko wrote:
Care to explain the process some more? 3D is strong! _________________ Bostjan
Camera: Nikon D7000
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Nikon: 24/2.8, Series-E 28/2.8, 50/1.4 AI, 80-200/4.5 AI
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meermike
Joined: 01 Oct 2011 Posts: 4 Location: Emden in Germany
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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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meermike wrote:
mastazeko wrote: |
Care to explain the process some more? 3D is strong! |
Sorry, it´s too hard for me to explain it. I need many hours to create one of this pictures and in every picture there are different editing steps to do. To explain it in details, I need more Time and better english-knowledge
But I used this software:
- Camera Raw
- Photoshop (CS 5)
- NiK Color Efex Pro
- Nik Viveza
- Nik Define
- (Dynamic Photo HDR) => for the ship, the digger and the mountains. The other pictures above were developed from one RAW-Picture without Tonemapping or HDR-Process.
Greetz
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Orio
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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
I have to say, that I regret the day that I first posted a thread about the "3D effect". I wish I never did. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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poilu
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Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 12:03 am Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
welcome Michael
have a nice stay with us
3d-fotos.webnode.com is a funny site
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meermike
Joined: 01 Oct 2011 Posts: 4 Location: Emden in Germany
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Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 1:04 am Post subject: |
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meermike wrote:
Orio wrote: |
I have to say, that I regret the day that I first posted a thread about the "3D effect". I wish I never did. |
Sorry for my pictures. I know, that some people didn´t like those hard edited pics
But very many people all over the world like them and they were astonished about the much bigger effect in comparison with every real lens-bokeh.
Look at these postings about my pictures in different galleries
To date I have posted my 3D-Effect-Pictures in 92 forums and gallerys all over the world and received more than 1000 comments
http://3d-fotos.webnode.com/meinungen-zu-den-fotos2/
Perhaps it´s a reason for rethinking about the "wrong" optical blurring that happens if you open the aperture of your camera !
I´ll never opened my apperture because I think that the editing of full-sharp-pictures with Photoshop is the much better way to create realistic impressions in 2D-Material. It cost much more time but I like those pictures much more than every other picture I ever see before. I don´t like my older pictures without these effects and never look at them.
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torbod
Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 379 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 9:23 am Post subject: |
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torbod wrote:
Hi,
I don't want to be negative in any way, but I find the samples you have posted to lack "natural" 3D effect. I guess this is due that it seems heavily over sharpened and the background blur seems just to PS manipulated. So 3D-wise it doesn't really work for me. But I really like the images for other reasons, detail, composition etc
Cheers
/T
meermike wrote: |
Orio wrote: |
I have to say, that I regret the day that I first posted a thread about the "3D effect". I wish I never did. |
Sorry for my pictures. I know, that some people didn´t like those hard edited pics
But very many people all over the world like them and they were astonished about the many bigger effect in comparison with every real lens-bokeh.
Look at these postings about my pictures in different galleries
To date I have posted my 3D-Effect-Pictures in 92 forums and gallerys all over the world and received more than 1000 comments
http://3d-fotos.webnode.com/meinungen-zu-den-fotos2/
Perhaps it´s a reason for rethinking about the "wrong" optical blurring that happens if you open the aperture of your camera !
I´ll never close my apperture because I think that the editing of full-sharp-pictures with Photoshop is the much better way to create realistic impressions in 2D-Material. It cost much more time but I like those pictures much more than every other picture I ever see before. I don´t like my older pictures without these effects and never look at them. |
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Orio
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Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 9:49 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
meermike wrote: |
Sorry for my pictures. I know, that some people didn´t like those hard edited pics |
I wasn't referring to your pictures, Mike.
I was thinking that this type of thread (3 or 4 have been posted with this subject in different areas of the forum) has proven to be completely useless.
After some time, all kind of photos have been posted, as different as day and night, and as a result, if everybody sees a "3D effect" in everything, then it's like if it's nowhere.
It's obvious that the same concept of what looks "3D" in a photo is not shared and everybody sees it in different ways.
As a result, this whole type of thread goes nowhere, and turns out to be just a big waste of time.
This is my opinion of course. I feel guilty for having originally started a thread about this. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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GrahamNR17
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Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 10:40 am Post subject: |
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GrahamNR17 wrote:
I thought it was going to be a thread full of photos of old thrupenny bits
* You need to be old and British to get it
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