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Katastrofo
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 Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 8:12 am Post subject: 3 things went wrong... |
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Katastrofo wrote:
I decided to do some night shots with Delta 400 and the Ricohflex Dia L,
but fate wasn't on my side.
1. I need to meter better for night shots as 5-6 were underexposed out
of the roll.
2. My fixer finally gave up the ghost, so this roll has some cloudiness or
fogging.
3. I dropped the roll when trying to load the reel. Guess which one of these pics was on the outside of the roll:
pushed to 1600, HC-110B for 13.5 minutes, 20C
Tonight was 24F with wind chill that brought it down to 11F and 60%
humidity. That might have been part of my problem. |
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Excalibur
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| Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:10 am Post subject: |
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Excalibur wrote:
Well congrats on your enthusiasm for pushing film, but can't you settle for a slow film, D76/IDII, a tripod and bracket your shots.
I've forgotten if I ever was any good at night shots, but about 8 months ago did a few and just bracketed around 1/2 to 2sec and the results weren't too bad.
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mo
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| Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:38 am Post subject: |
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mo wrote:
That last one would have been very atmospheric,maybe closer to the chairs?I take my hat off to you you are not afraid to get in there and work it out!!
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LucisPictor
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| Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:39 am Post subject: Re: 3 things went wrong... |
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LucisPictor wrote:
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Hey, you have started with "ghost photography"? Cool! 
Never mind, Bill. Your results are much better than my ones would be.
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marty wrote:
Hi there. When it comes to night shots I'm not good too I'm afraid. That said #2 looks good under every respect, I like very much the low point of view, here the waist level finder helps a lot. Now some thoughts about exposure. 1. I've found very bright highlights often foul the meter in this kind of shots, so trying to meter away from them should help a great deal. 2. Using a spot meter if available, meter the brightest h/l and put them in zone VIII (if you're familiar with Zone System). 3. Remember to take in account the reciprocity failure for speeds slower then 1/2". 4. Wind and freezing cold don't help for sure, seem to freeze even the thoughts  . 5. Excalibur also makes a good point:
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| but can't you settle for a slow film, D76/IDII, a tripod and bracket your shots |
This is an option too. 6. Experimenting with developers, and here looks like you enjoy to do that. Microphen seems IMO to work well. For what is concerning the fixer try refixing in fresh solution, maybe could help and then just to be sure it won't worsen over the time.
@Excalibur: your pic looks good. You surely captured the atmosphere.
Cheers, Marty.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 10:16 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
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| For what is concerning the fixer try refixing in fresh solution, maybe could help and then just to be sure it won't worsen over the time. |
I suggest to first rewash, then refix and rewash.
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Orio wrote:
Bill, the images look good enough to me (although one should really see the negative)
For pushing film, I suggest the Tmax developer. I've got nearly undistinguisheable (from nominal) results by pushing a T-Max 400 to 1600 ISO.
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marty
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| Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 10:26 am Post subject: |
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marty wrote:
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marty wrote:
For what is concerning the fixer try refixing in fresh solution, maybe could help and then just to be sure it won't worsen over the time.
I suggest to first rewash, then refix and rewash. |
Thanks Orio, sounds good, I didn't think about that.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:20 am Post subject: Re: 3 things went wrong... |
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Carlsson wrote:
Very nice Bill!
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3. I dropped the roll when trying to load the reel. Guess which one of these pics was on the outside of the roll |
Since this happened to me, I load the reels while sitting on the floor, not comfortable but safer
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Katastrofo
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Katastrofo wrote:
Thanks, guys, for your comments!
Excalibur, maybe I should try the ID-10T developer, do you think that
would be more suitable for me?  Agree with Marty, very nice pic!
Orio, will have to try the TMAX developer, but my next thing is trying
PMK Pyro, but I don't think it is suitable for pushing.
Carsten, I'm sure your night shots come out better than this.
Carlsson, great idea, sitting on the floor to load the reels.
Marty, thanks for the metering pointers, will try it. I'm not familiar
with Adams' zone system, but will see if it is in The Negative.
As to wash, fix, wash, these are now cut into strips so doing this would
be a tedious affair, much more fun to load another film and go at it again!
Thanks, Mo-Fo.
Thanks again, fellas. |
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Excalibur
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Excalibur wrote:
***Excalibur, maybe I should try the ID-10T developer, do you think that
would be more suitable for me?***
Well if you are just taking shots of static buildings, it would seem a good idea to use slow film (for better quality), and leave film pushing for when you need it.
IMHO.......Pushing film is for 35mm guys for things like rock concerts.
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Katastrofo
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| Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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Katastrofo wrote:
I've always disliked borders/boundaries...it may be the realm of 35mm
guys and rock concerts, but if executed properly, I think pushing fits
other applications. |
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Orio
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Orio wrote:
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I've always disliked borders/boundaries...it may be the realm of 35mm
guys and rock concerts, but if executed properly, I think pushing fits
other applications. |
Indeed.
Besides, usually rock concerts have strong stage lights. I rarely found myself needing 1600 ISO. Most of the times I could do it with either 400 or 800 ISO.
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